Outgoings - 2022 edition (how many will leave?)

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Inspired by the @Bastian thread from last year.

I count 14 potential outgoings. Obviously realistically, they aren't all going to leave. But which of this bunch will stay? How many do you think will go? And am I missing anyone?

Pogba
Cavani
Lingard
Mata
Matic
Grant
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Andreas Pereira
Martial
Tuanzebe
Wan Bissaka
Brandon Williams
 
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If ever there was a summer for a thread like this, it's this one. I think it's realistic that all those bar Martial (super hard to shift) and Tuanzebe (low stock, might see a resurrection under ten Hag, with Bailly and Jones leaving) will leave. Then it's a question over Chong perhaps. Obviously, if good offers come in for other players they might be sold to give ten Hag more room in the market (Telles).

Genuinely the most exciting off-season in years.
 
I don't think it's that unrealistic that all of them will leave. Grant Henderson Bailly Jones Pereira Tuanzebe and Williams basically didn't feature for us this season so they won't affect anything. Lingard and Matic are definitely leaving. AWB was told to look for a new club. Martial is a 50/50 it all depends on finding a buyer for him. If I had to guess I would say that out of all of them only Jones and Martial will be here next season.
 
Leaving 100% due to expiring contracts (source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/berateruebersicht/verein/985) :
  • Pogba
  • Cavani
  • Lingard
  • Mata
  • Matić
  • Grant

Problem offloading for a fee, possible loans:
  • Henderson
  • Bailly
  • Jones
  • Andreas Pereira
  • Martial
  • Tuanzebe
  • Wan Bissaka
  • Brandon Williams

I'm unware if there are any pending contract extensions, but the following lot has contracts which expire in 2023 (same source as before) and could also be possible outgoings:
  • de Gea
  • Shaw
  • Fred
  • Rashford
  • Dalot
 
Agreed, plus he who shall not be named at some point in the season. It will be 12 to 16 in the end. We have such a bloated squad losing that many won't matter. With 31 seniors plus kids, we would still have around 18 players if they went before we sign anyone. We could sign 3-6 and promote a couple of kids and still have a better, more balanced squad of 25/26.

Loans out this year. Next year?

DVB to return and finally play
Amad - Saw the other day that Amad will probably go out on loan again.
Garner - If Forest go up I would like to see Garner stay with NF for a year in the PL rather than sit on the bench here. He has the quality but does he want it???
Pellistri ???? Loan again? Sell?
Chong - Sell only 1 year left
Bernard - Sell? He's done ok with Hull as a RCB in a back three. Saw West Ham are interested in him. I think we could get a few million for him
Laird to stay on loan at Bournemouth in the PL? If we replace AWB and keep Dalot
Galbraith - Loan to move up to the Championship
Bishop - Loan again or Sell? May stay and be promoted with Mansfield - they seem happy with him. Would they buy him?
Levitt - He has done well at Dundee but is out of contract and it may be better for him to be released and sign with them rather than extend his contract and try to sell him for a fee next year
Mengi - Loan again
Kovar - Loan again
Devine - Loan again

Chong, Pellistri, Bishop and Bernard could add 8-15 million to the pot if they are sold and we could get small loan fees for Amad, Garner or Laird.
 
Looking at our squad list on transfermarket and just going down the list for who won't be here next season IMO...
  1. Dean Henderson
  2. Lee Grant
  3. Eric Bailly
  4. Phil Jones
  5. Aaron Wan Bissaka
  6. Nemanja Matic
  7. Paul Pogba
  8. Jesse Lingard
  9. Juan Mata
  10. Mason Greenwood
  11. Edinson Cavani
Returning from loan, but will leave in the summer again:
  1. Andreas Pereira
  2. Anthony Martial
  3. Amad Diallo
  4. Brandon Williams
  5. Tahith Chong
  6. Facundo Pellistri

Squad for next season:
  1. De Gea
  2. New backup GK (Johnstone)
  3. Heaton
  4. Dalot
  5. New RB (Timber)
  6. Maguire
  7. Varane
  8. Lindelof
  9. Tuanzebe
  10. Shaw
  11. Telles
  12. New CM (De Jong)
  13. McTominay
  14. Fred
  15. Van de Beek
  16. Bruno
  17. Hannibal
  18. Sancho
  19. New RW (Antony)
  20. Elanga
  21. Garnacho
  22. Rashford
  23. Ronaldo
  24. New ST (Darwin/Richarlison/etc)
I would say another DM, but I haven't seen anything linked at all. Could see no new striker being signed and us keeping Martial.
 
I expect all those on the list will be gone with the exception of Martial, who is rubbish and massively overpaid and therefore no club will want him.

I'm actually excited about the outgoings as much as the new signings. A clear out of a lot of the dross we've accumulated over the years is long overdue.
 
I'm just excited about finally having first team players with single digit squad numbers again
 
Somewhat depressingly, the only outgoings that could make us some fee for reinvestment are Henderson and AWB. The others would be either free or close to free. I don’t see anyone paying much of a fee for Martial so we may as well keep him as cover.
 
KranjskaKlobasa said:
I'm unware if there are any pending contract extensions, but the following lot has contracts which expire in 2023 (same source as before) and could also be possible outgoings:
  • de Gea
  • Shaw
  • Fred
  • Rashford
  • Dalot
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All of them got an option to extend till 2024
 
bosnian_red said:
Returning from loan, but will leave in the summer again:
  1. Andreas Pereira
  2. Anthony Martial
  3. Amad Diallo
  4. Brandon Williams
  5. Tahith Chong
  6. Facundo Pellistri
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There is also Garner & Laird.

Garner might continue with Forrest if they come up to the PL.

Laird needs another year on loan.

There is also Levitt, his contract expires by end of June and I am not sure what is the plan for him.

Younger ones like Galbraith, Mengi & Bernard are on loan too and might go again next season .
 
Crick said:
Levitt - He has done well at Dundee but is out of contract and it may be better for him to be released and sign with them rather than extend his contract and try to sell him for a fee next year
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I would not release him, he has had an excellent season and it would be silly to just throw that away. If we think he is not good enough we can trigger the +1 in his current deal and then sell him for a nominal fee if that is all Dundee United can afford, that would allow us to negotiate a sell on clause and a buyback clause if we want them so if he does end up moving on in a few years for a big fee we will be compensated. Considering he has been a standout player in the SPL this year I would imagine even if Dundee United don't want to pay a fee there would be some who would.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
There is also Garner & Laird.

Garner might continue with Forrest if they come up to the PL.

Laird needs another year on loan.

There is also Levitt, his contract expires by end of June and I am not sure what is the plan for him.

Younger ones like Galbraith, Mengi & Bernard are on loan too and might go again next season .
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Forgot to include them. Yeah they'll stay out on loan, or should. Would do them more good than coming in for a bit part role.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Inspired by the @Bastian thread from last year.

I count 14 potential outgoings. Obviously realistically, they aren't all going to leave. But which of this bunch will stay? How many do you think will go? And am I missing anyone?

Pogba
Cavani
Lingard
Mata
Matic
Grant
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Andreas Pereira
Martial
Tuanzebe
Wan Bissaka
Brandon Williams
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In my opinion I would add 3 more names to that list, Maguire, Rashford & McTominay.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
I expect all those on the list will be gone with the exception of Martial, who is rubbish and massively overpaid and therefore no club will want him.

I'm actually excited about the outgoings as much as the new signings. A clear out of a lot of the dross we've accumulated over the years is long overdue.
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It would be nice if 40m + Martial could convince Monaco to give us Tchouameni. We could try the same trick with Lyon for Caqueret. There should be a way to move him back to the French league if we are looking for a midfielder there
 
I don't really have an opinion on the academy guys. But, of the others I think the following will be leaving:

KranjskaKlobasa said:
Leaving 100% due to expiring contracts (source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/berateruebersicht/verein/985) :
  • Pogba - going
  • Cavani - going
  • Lingard - going
  • Mata - going
  • Matić - going
  • Grant - going

Problem offloading for a fee, possible loans:
  • Henderson - sold
  • Bailly - sold
  • Jones - staying, will see some playing time next year if healthy
  • Andreas Pereira - loan
  • Martial - won't be sold, likely staying though possible loan
  • Tuanzebe - loan
  • Wan Bissaka - sold at a big discount to purchase price
  • Brandon Williams - staying

I'm unware if there are any pending contract extensions, but the following lot has contracts which expire in 2023 (same source as before) and could also be possible outgoings:
  • de Gea - staying
  • Shaw - staying
  • Fred - staying
  • Rashford - hope he's sold but likely staying
  • Dalot - staying
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Greenwood - might be sold also if we can get anything for him
 
It is definately going to be double figures this summer, which I am delighted with.

6 out of contract

Can anybody see Bissaka, JOnes, Bailly, Pererira or Martial here next season?

That is 11 already and then there are strong possibilities of Henderson, Tuanzabe and the elephant in the room Greenwood

I think we will see 13 and you could add Telles, Dalot, Williams, Maguire, VDB and Rashford personally but unless any ask to leave they all stay probably
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Inspired by the @Bastian thread from last year.

I count 14 potential outgoings. Obviously realistically, they aren't all going to leave. But which of this bunch will stay? How many do you think will go? And am I missing anyone?

Pogba
Cavani
Lingard
Mata
Matic
Grant
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Andreas Pereira
Martial
Tuanzebe
Wan Bissaka
Brandon Williams
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Would prefer all of them to leave.

Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Mata, Matic, Bailly, Jones, Pereira, Tuanzebe are must go ones

I would put Martial in the impossible to get rid list

Henderson hopefully finds someone who will pay us good money.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
We are stuck with Martial. No one will buy him.
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I dont think so, I do however think we are not going to make much money out of selling him and paying off part or all of his wages left on contract may be needed when selling him.

I remember people saying simoilar about Lingard a couple of years ago and how he wasnt even worth £5m, we should have got £20-25m selling him, of coruse he had a successful loan, Martials has been a disaster, but I cant believe there would not be clubs interested in siging him both in the premiership and abroad at the right price, Like Bissaka though, that is likely to be under half of what we bought him for
 
Tallis said:
Somewhat depressingly, the only outgoings that could make us some fee for reinvestment are Henderson and AWB. The others would be either free or close to free. I don’t see anyone paying much of a fee for Martial so we may as well keep him as cover.
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Covering what ? Certainly not a striker or winger
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Inspired by the @Bastian thread from last year.

I count 14 potential outgoings. Obviously realistically, they aren't all going to leave. But which of this bunch will stay? How many do you think will go? And am I missing anyone?

Pogba
Cavani
Lingard
Mata
Matic
Grant
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Andreas Pereira
Martial
Tuanzebe
Wan Bissaka
Brandon Williams
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Rashford useless and has been over hyped
 
Not surprised to see this, but would make sense for all parties

 
Maybe we can temp Madrid to get Rashford or Ronaldo. They need a PR win after Mbappe's debacle.
 
Gandalf said:
I would not release him, he has had an excellent season and it would be silly to just throw that away. If we think he is not good enough we can trigger the +1 in his current deal and then sell him for a nominal fee if that is all Dundee United can afford, that would allow us to negotiate a sell on clause and a buyback clause if we want them so if he does end up moving on in a few years for a big fee we will be compensated. Considering he has been a standout player in the SPL this year I would imagine even if Dundee United don't want to pay a fee there would be some who would.
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He's 22 in November. He's isn't good enough to play for us. It's his 3rd loan. He was awful at Charlton and not great at Istra. He's on a high at Dundee. We need to help him start his career. Dundee is a great place to begin and we should let him get on with it. If we re-sign him and hold out for a fee Dundee could move on and he will have to prove himself again somewhere else. What would we get for him 250-500k? Let him move on or he could end up dropping down the leagues and out of football by 26.
 
Crick said:
He's 22 in November. He's isn't good enough to play for us. It's his 3rd loan. He was awful at Charlton and not great at Istra. He's on a high at Dundee. We need to help him start his career. Dundee is a great place to begin and we should let him get on with it. If we re-sign him and hold out for a fee Dundee could move on and he will have to prove himself again somewhere else. What would we get for him 250-500k? Let him move on or he could end up dropping down the leagues and out of football by 26.
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Got to take issue with that. He was never given a chance at Charlton but did quite well at Istra and that was his first season of Mens football, in just his second season of Mens football he has been the outstanding player in the team that finished 4th in the SPL. I personally believe he could do a job for us and I think he is better than Garner for one but obviously that is in the eye of the beholder. The point I was making is that by all means let him join Dundee United if that is what he wants and we don't think we need him but why throw away any possible future benefits? Trigger the extension then let him go for no fee if you like but at least be in a position to insert clauses, maybe mid table SPL is his level and we don't see much tangible reward down the road but on the flipside if we just cut him loose and he ends up tearing it up and moving on for 25M or something in a couple of years then we will have been grossly negligent as a business. I am all for helping the players to be a success and getting them on the right path for their careers but we don't have to act like a charity when doing it.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Inspired by the @Bastian thread from last year.

I count 14 potential outgoings. Obviously realistically, they aren't all going to leave. But which of this bunch will stay? How many do you think will go? And am I missing anyone?

Pogba
Cavani
Lingard
Mata
Matic
Grant
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Andreas Pereira
Martial
Tuanzebe
Wan Bissaka
Brandon Williams
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I think Williams, AWB, Martial, Mata & Henderson will all either stay or go out on loan. The others will leave permanently.
 
Gandalf said:
Got to take issue with that. He was never given a chance at Charlton but did quite well at Istra and that was his first season of Mens football, in just his second season of Mens football he has been the outstanding player in the team that finished 4th in the SPL. I personally believe he could do a job for us and I think he is better than Garner for one but obviously that is in the eye of the beholder. The point I was making is that by all means let him join Dundee United if that is what he wants and we don't think we need him but why throw away any possible future benefits? Trigger the extension then let him go for no fee if you like but at least be in a position to insert clauses, maybe mid table SPL is his level and we don't see much tangible reward down the road but on the flipside if we just cut him loose and he ends up tearing it up and moving on for 25M or something in a couple of years then we will have been grossly negligent as a business. I am all for helping the players to be a success and getting them on the right path for their careers but we don't have to act like a charity when doing it.
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Prime example of how far our standards have fallen. Even as fans we are so used to mediocrity that we want to defend and reward it. I hate saying it but no City, Liverpool or Chelsea fan would look at him or an equivalent player in there academies and say that.
 
Crick said:
Prime example of how far our standards have fallen. Even as fans we are so used to mediocrity that we want to defend and reward it. I hate saying it but no City, Liverpool or Chelsea fan would look at him or an equivalent player in there academies and say that.
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I just can't see your point at all. I am not saying he is a future first team mainstay but you seem to think that we should just give away a player who has had a really strong season in a decent league for some bizarre "standards" reason. All I am saying is that at this point in time he can easily fetch a fee and we at the very least should be looking to move him on with a few clauses inserted so that we don't miss out if he does outperform our expectations. City, Liverpool and Chelsea do this all the time and we get slaughtered for not doing the same and yet you seem to exist in some bizarre alternate reality where they all give their players away for nothing as an act of charity.
 
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Gandalf said:
I just can't see your point at all. I am not saying he is a future first team mainstay but you seem to think that we should just give away a player who has had a really strong season in a decent league for some bizarre "standards" reason. All I am saying is that at this point in time he can easily fetch a fee and we at the very least should be looking to move him on with a few clauses inserted so that we don't miss out if he does outperform our expectations. City, Liverpool and Chelsea do this all the time and we get slaughtered for not doing the same and yet you seem to exist in some bizarre alternate reality where they all give their players away for nothing as an act of charity.
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How much do you think the fee will be? I would expect no more than 250k.
 
Crick said:
How much do you think the fee will be? I would expect no more than 250k.
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Well like I said in my previous post, we don't need to include a fee if we don't want to, the upfront money is less significant than protecting our interests on the back end which we cannot do if we simply release him. I would not haggle over the difference between 200k and 300k but I would want us to be proactive and ask for a decent percentage of any sell on fee. We are entitled to expect that having spent resources on developing him and it is quite possible even if you think it unlikely that he could move on in a couple of years for a decent fee. Say we let him go for a nominal fee and negotiate a 25% sell on fee and he moves in a couple of years to a mid tier PL side for 20M then we would be in line for a 5M windfall. It may very well not happen but it does not hurt us to hedge against the possibility that it does and if we let Dundee United get him for next to nothing they can hardly complain about a clause that still lets them keep the majority of any future fee from a player they got for next to nothing.
 
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