Passenger plane skidded off the runway and broke apart while landing at Istanbul's Sabiha Gokcen airport | 3 dead 179 Injured

[Member 90887]

3 dead 179 Injured.

How can a plane just break apart like that !

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[The Firestarter]

Extraordinary if the claim of no casualties stays true. Snapped like a twig, that's not a frequent outcome of a rough landing.

 

[JPRouve]

Is something totally wrong happening with Boeing or is it pure bad luck? Recently their name seems to be linked with most incidents.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Force = mass x acceleration.

 

[VorZakone]

What the hell? That looks crazy.

 

[100]

Seems like an ill-advised landing.

 

[Fortitude]

IIRC, we have a few pilots on the caf?

Can any of you guys explain how a plane crumples to bits like that?

 

[VeevaVee]

Planes do seem to fall apart easily. Weight saving to keep fuel costs down, knowing there aren't many instances like this?

Surprised it didn't end up in flames, which also seems to happen surprisingly easy with planes. Why would it not occur this time?

 

[The Firestarter]

Planes do seem to fall apart easily. Weight saving to keep fuel costs down, knowing there aren't many instances like this?

Surprised it didn't end up in flames, which also seems to happen surprisingly easy with planes. Why would it not occur this time?

It did occur but was extinguished quickly.

 

[VeevaVee]

It did occur but was extinguished quickly.

Ah ok. They should work on making planes less flamey

 

[The Firestarter]

Ah ok. They should work on making planes less flamey

We are all waiting on your suggestions how to make jet fuel less flammable.

 

[VeevaVee]

We are all waiting on your suggestions how to make jet fuel less flammable.

Less escapey would be ideal

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

We are all waiting on your suggestions how to make jet fuel less flammable.

What's jet fuel like? Are fuller fuel tanks on planes more or less dangerous? Thinking of passenger vehicles where an emptier fuel tank is more dangerous than a full one.

 

[The Firestarter]

What's jet fuel like? Are fuller fuel tanks on planes more or less dangerous? Thinking of passenger vehicles where an emptier fuel tank is more dangerous than a full one.

As for chance of combustion, a tank filled to the brim is less dangerous since there is no space for an air mixture to form. But it has more fuel that will burn for longer.

 

[The Firestarter]

Less escapey would be ideal

Did you see the photos ?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

As for chance of combustion, a tank filled to the brim is less dangerous since there is no space for an air mixture to form. But it has more fuel that will burn for longer.

Cheers.

 

[jymufc20]

As for chance of combustion, a tank filled to the brim is less dangerous since there is no space for an air mixture to form. But it has more fuel that will burn for longer.

Spoken from experience @The Firestarter ?

 

[VeevaVee]

Did you see the photos ?

That's why the strength of a plane is being questioned.

 

[Skills]

Is something totally wrong happening with Boeing or is it pure bad luck? Recently their name seems to be linked with most incidents.

They dominate the market to be fair.

 

[11101]

Aircraft are incredibly strong when pushed in the right direction. Incredibly delicate when pushed in the wrong direction. Hulls often crack like that under similar circumstances.

This is the third time in a little over a year Pegasus has overrun a runway. The problem is not with Boeing.

 

[matherto]

I know it's all down to factual science that my brain can't comprehend how these people have managed not to die but still, you have to wonder if there's not something bigger when things like this happen.

Only wonder cause then you remember that if there were something bigger it just put 177 people through a near death experience for shits and giggles.

 

[Rado_N]

We are all waiting on your suggestions how to make jet fuel less flammable.

Surround it with steel beams.

 

[Devil77]

Less escapey would be ideal

They did some experiments with more viscous jet fuel some years ago. But it turned out to be more like Napalm. Sticky and flammable.

 

[VeevaVee]

They did some experiments with more viscous jet fuel some years ago. But it turned out to be more like Napalm. Sticky and flammable.

That's the opposite of what we want!

 

[adexkola]

Aircraft are incredibly strong when pushed in the right direction. Incredibly delicate when pushed in the wrong direction. Hulls often crack like that under similar circumstances.

This is the third time in a little over a year Pegasus has overrun a runway. The problem is not with Boeing.

What this guy said.

Hollow cylinders are incredibly strong at withstanding tension/compression loads along the primary axis. Hit it sideways with a moderately strong yet concentrated force and yes, it'll crumple.

Try this at home with the cardboard from a finished toilet paper roll.

 

[Fridge chutney]

What this guy said.

Hollow cylinders are incredibly strong at withstanding tension/compression loads along the primary axis. Hit it sideways with a moderately strong yet concentrated force and yes, it'll crumple.

Try this at home with the cardboard from a finished toilet paper roll.

If that was true, wouldn't crosswinds or turbulence destroy planes?

 

[adexkola]

If that was true, wouldn't crosswinds or turbulence destroy planes?

The force from crosswinds/sq area of metal is very small compared to the breaking point. Plus the wind is applied across the entire surface, not at one singular point, so there's no one point where the failure would start. Same thing with turbulence... It's annoying but planes go through much worse during testing.

 

[The Firestarter]

If that was true, wouldn't crosswinds or turbulence destroy planes?

Wind is acting evenly on a surface. That's different from dropping from a height and impacting on a limited surface area with much higher negative g than constructed. Which is what happened when the aircraft overrun the runway boundary.

 

[Fridge chutney]

The force from crosswinds/sq area of metal is very small compared to the breaking point. Plus the wind is applied across the entire surface, not at one singular point, so there's no one point where the failure would start. Same thing with turbulence... It's annoying but planes go through much worse during testing.

Wind is acting evenly on a surface. That's different from dropping from a height and impacting on a limited surface area with much higher negative g than constructed. Which is what happened when the aircraft overrun the runway boundary.

Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. I won't be a bag of nerves next time I fly then!

 

[4bars]

Is something totally wrong happening with Boeing or is it pure bad luck? Recently their name seems to be linked with most incidents.

They have more than 50% of the running commercial airplanes and almost all the cargo planes in the world so there is a pretty big chance

 

[11101]

3 dead, inevitable really. The EU needs to take a stand against some of these dodgy airlines scraping through regulations, Pegasus operate a lot of flights to Europe.

 

[pocco]

I've seen a few aircraft investigation programmes and the first thing that comes to mind is a bad repair carried out which has failed. There's been instances of things like this in the past, including planes breaking up in the air.

 

[0le]

3 dead 179 Injured.

How can a plane just break apart like that !

It can be some form of crack propagation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracture_mechanics

I think ships can suffer from this issue as well where the hull splits in half. Not sure if its precisely the same mechanism but its related.