I don't see how posters dreaming up different formations is a reflection on the club. That's always happened, even under Fergie. Ole has been consistent with his formation, and the way I see it, Dybala, if we decided to take Juve up on their offer, would slot into it without any fuss.
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There's the possibility of a lot of money instead, so we can buy the player we actually need.
€80m > Dybala imo. Juve would take €50m a week ago for Dybala according to reports in Italy.
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Dybala is someone we actually need, there is not a slightest doubt about that - with the tactics Ole is playing Dybala fits perfectly
How?
Italian papers have poured cold water on Di Marzios rumour today. Wonder who will be right?
It’s a ploy to get Inter to pay up quick. Don’t get your hopes too high lads. Besides Lukaku only wants Conte
We also don’t have CL next year. Doubt Paulo would want to come here anyway
We also don’t have CL next year. Doubt Paulo would want to come here anyway
Instead of Lingard or Mata. He is twice the player than two of them combined.
Look it's not a science and no ones basing anything on here as fact, especially transfers. It's no different you saying what's it got to do with our transfer strategy, if the strategy is also about potential swap deals as with the Sanchez deal. Didn't that happen? My point is IF it was, then this feels different from the noises coming out the club and would smack of desperation.
It’s definitely a ploy from us to get Inter to pay up quick, I knew it
He plays behind the striker with limited defensive responsibility. We haven't played that way in years, if ever. When you have Pogba as part of your midfield base you can't afford Dybala unless you play him further forward with 3 behind. Just my opinion.
I suspect so. We've arranged this with Juve to push Dybala to Spurs or whoever, and Lukaku to Inter.
You didn't answer the question. Dybala doesn't seem to fit a high pressing side with counter attacking. Does he have pace? Is he willing to work hard? Would he settle in Manchester? We don't have Italian speakers after Darmian leaves.
Ed is so damn clever
They speak Spanish in Argentina.
He is a Spanish speaker (Argentinian). He has pace (much quicker than Mata), whether he is willing to work hard I don't know, but he will definitely bring new dimensions to our game -- as he has an excellent strike, brilliant technique and ball control, can make a good pass and a good cross, can dribble past defenders, can take a penalty (20 out of 24 scored) and a direct free kick - all these qualities are needed and will make us a better side.
The rumour is Juve has offered us a Dybala as a swap, not the other way round. If we offer Man City Lingard for £200m does that suddenly become part of Man City's strategy?
Perhaps Dybala to Spurs is on then if Juve see him as difficult to fit with Ronaldo there. He could join fellow Argentinian Poch.
Dybala coming to United for a fee only or some swap deal just doesn't seem likely.
If there's any truth in Dybala going we might be being used again to get Spurs to cough up.
It's like being offered Maguire for Smalling with Smalling also wanting to leave. I can't see any reason why we would say no to such an offer so I call bullshit.
Lukaku to Inter then use the money on Dybala. Wouldn't say no to that.
I think with the source being Di Marzio we need to give this story a bit of credibility.
Honestly think clubs use him to put stuff out there as they know he's seen as credible now, he's not been too brilliant in the last few windows.
I would love it to be credible but what I'm saying is if the club would turn down such a deal on top of this already shit window, I don't think the fans would stomach it. So I'd hope it was bullshit. Maybe Dybala has a hissy fit though and says hell no, his good mate wants to leave and we have no CL to offer.
Do not want. Good player but he's a half way player. Not top class at scoring or creating but does both well. We need specialists IMO, get a proper goal scorer or a proper creative attacking midfielder.
Because you're overrating Dybala probably. Juve wants to sell him as he doesn't fit in to their plans, and he's been pretty meh for a while. Quality player on his day, but he needs to go in a system that really suits him. If we play a 4231, he would fit in really well as the 10, but with our wide players, it would probably be way too attacking. He's not a world class player and this deal wouldn't be "too good to be true", as there would be a lot of risk involved for us and it's not a position of direct need, but it would have the potential of being a brilliant deal. Believe it or not, Lukaku and Dybala are valued at just about the same price, so it's fine from that perspective.
Anyway, I'd obviously be happy with the deal, even though people massively overrate him based on what hes actually shown, and rate him more as what his potential is. That potential could be a quality attacking system though.
Also, in terms of our attack, if we let Spurs get him to replace Eriksen, with Arsenal getting Pepe, our attack would be miles behind those 2 and City/Liverpool. Dybala would help bridge that gap with goals, creativity and his movement and ability to do something out of nothing. Also wouldn't hurt having a good friend of Pogbas here to keep Pogba happy...
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At the beginning of summer I had a feeling he will end up with us. But over time I have been thinking Bruno is the better option as a 10. Dybala would be great if we play 2 strikers and him but withdraw.
I would actually trade him for Martial.
He will be a massive upgrade over Lingard. Not so sure about Mata, even at this age.
I would actually trade him for Martial.
He will be a massive upgrade over Lingard. Not so sure about Mata, even at this age.
Hehe.
The man moves in mysterious ways.
The point is exactly that, it's a rumour yet you are arguing about stuff based on it isn't. There's a thousand variables of which I offered my own view clearly stating 'IF'.
Not sure why people like yourself seem to want to take a forensic look (it's not the first time) at a post, then respond to it with a factual argument based on rumour anyway. My point was in my opinion, swap deals rarely work and given the noises out of OT (whether asked for or suggested) this kind of move doesn't make sense to me.
Agreed.
I was just trying to fit Dybala in the system we are playing.
As you said, Dybala is a second striker/ false 9 like Griezmann, Firmino, Felix, etc. Someone like Fernandes/Eriksen/Havertz would be better in the No.10 role.
If we sign Dybala and Fernandes, it seems the 4312 formation could be our best option with Fernandes as No. 10 and Dybala next to Rashford/Martial in the attack.
Makes no sense. So they want a straight transfer so they can recoup money back when they sell Dybala. They do no if it’s a straight swap they don’t need to recoup anything
Neither of them are first team regular material under OGS. They dont fit into a high pressing team. We dont need two #10's.
And Mata was a regular for Spain during his prime. Dybala has never been for Argentina. You overrate him
Really wouldn’t want us to sign him, he’d become another ADM type signing. Unlikely to be committed and will be looking for a way out within 12 months. Suits PSG.
Sorry I don't understand what you're saying. Think you might've misread my post or not understood the tweet I quoted which talks about United offering a swap for Dybala.Makes no sense. So they want a straight transfer so they can recoup money back when they sell Dybala. They do no if it’s a straight swap they don’t need to recoup anything
There's been links for Dybala to Spurs and also I'm sure you're aware of Lukaku to Inter. This United Lukaku Dybala link could be to get Inter moving, or if Juve are open to selling Dybala to Spurs they could use a link to a United deal to get Spurs moving. Never said anything about recouping.
What aren't you understanding?
It's a rumour based on them offering us a player. THEM offering US a player. That's the rumour. And your response to this specific rumour was to criticize our transfer strategy by changing who instigated the offer? It's not forensically examining your post, it's asking why you're willfully changing the components so you can be critical of it. That's apparently logical to you and you wonder why I questioned it.
Crazy that some people would not want us to sign Dybala! The guy is class, a massive upgrade on Lukaku albeit a very different player.
I think something like the formation below might be the best way to incorporate Dybala into the side, provided that we do end up signing him. If we use him as a False 9, we can then probably play both Martial and Rashford, with Martial starting centrally and moving left (à la Henry) and Rashford starting slightly out wide to the right but making runs in between the LB and the LCB. Pogba tends to favour attacking down the left side I think, and we can use him to link up with Martial. Unfortunately, our right side figures to be significantly weaker than our left side given how Rashford will spend most of his time making central movements in attack; if AWB doesn't show much attacking prowess, it's hard to envisage how the team will create chances from out on the right. Another possible problem is who to pair with McTominay in midfield, given that Matic looks past his best, although this is more of a personnel problem than a tactical problem. Likewise, I am uncertain of who to pair with Lindelof, given that our other CB options don't exactly fill me with the greatest of confidence. Regardless, given Pogba's defensive lapses and the fact that Dybala isn't exactly a renowned defender from the front, this formation will only really succeed provided that we do find defensively-sound partners for both McTominay and Lindelof.
I don’t think he’d want to come in here, plus our history with Argentinians isn’t great. There’s always some catch to them when they’re at Utd.
Perfect. Could you please send to OGS ASAP, cc Woodward?I think something like the formation below might be the best way to incorporate Dybala into the side, provided that we do end up signing him.
Hang on, Dybala only has arguably the best player in history to compete with in his position.
And he has 24 caps at 25, to Mata's 41 caps at 6 years older...
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