Penalty encroachment

[darko]

I'm perplexed by the rule or call in the Watford match. A GK saves a penalty and player who has encroached scores. The punishment is to re-take the penalty. How us that punnishment? I the defensive side encroaches and the penalty takers scores, the penalty isn't re-taken.

 

[Gringo]

He wasn't the only one to encroach. On the other side of the box looked to be simultaneous with some other players

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Wan Bissaka supposedly encroached as well, or at least the commentator said so, after they'd shown the replay. The Watford player was definitely the furthest over, and he was the one who scored the rebound.

I'm assuming that if Wan Bissaka didn't encroach, then it would have just been a free kick to us.

 

[Chipper]

I think Wan Bissaka also encroached.

Mind you, he was nowhere near the ball and didn't have any impact on what happened so I thought it was stupid too.

If the ball had fallen to Wan Bissaka and he cleared it behind for a corner with a Watford player encroaching but nowhere near him it shouldn't mean that they don't get a retake imo.

 

[cyberman]

Wan Bissaka supposedly encroached as well, or at least the commentator said so, after they'd shown the replay. The Watford player was definitely the furthest over, and he was the one who scored the rebound.

I'm assuming that if Wan Bissaka didn't encroach, then it would have just been a free kick to us.

That doesn’t matter unless he impacts play

 

[JPRouve]

In the second scenario, it's essentially the "advantage rule", the defensive team committed an offence but it didn't prevent the opposition from scoring. Yesterday the issue is that both teams committed an offence.

 

[darko]

Wan Bissaka supposedly encroached as well, or at least the commentator said so, after they'd shown the replay. The Watford player was definitely the furthest over, and he was the one who scored the rebound.

I'm assuming that if Wan Bissaka didn't encroach, then it would have just been a free kick to us.

I guess there was no explanation from any official.

 

[stw2022]

I think if defending and attacking team are shown to have encroached at same time then unless there's direct interference in the taking of the penalty itself they should let it slide.

 

[Beachryan]

I may be wrong, but I genuinely didn't think Moss knew the rules. Man looked utterly baffled.

 

[stw2022]

I may be wrong, but I genuinely didn't think Moss knew the rules. Man looked utterly baffled.

He looks knackered. Not meaning to body shame anyone but I want to know whose pocket he's slipping the notes into for him to pass the fitness tests every week. He looks like Paul Durkin if he opened a pie shop

 

[Samid]

Wan Bissaka supposedly encroached as well, or at least the commentator said so, after they'd shown the replay. The Watford player was definitely the furthest over, and he was the one who scored the rebound.

I'm assuming that if Wan Bissaka didn't encroach, then it would have just been a free kick to us.

By that logic almost all penalties need to be retaken because there are always players who have no involvement in the play 'encroaching'.

 

[ManUnitedCanuck]

Do they review every penalty for encroachment? I feel like every time a goal is scored directly on a pen, there is someone in the box. With them being so stringent on keepers being off the line, they should be on encroachment too.

 

[duffer]

Do they review every penalty for encroachment? I feel like every time a goal is scored directly on a pen, there is someone in the box. With them being so stringent on keepers being off the line, they should be on encroachment too.

Every goal is reviewed, including pens.

 

[Statue of Limitations]

I think a penalty should be taken similar to how it is in ice hockey.
Taker scores, obviously it's a goal.
Taker misses, goal kick.
No rebounds, no encroachment etc.

It is scored or not.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I believe the arguement they made was because we had players encroach on our team they were allowed to retake it.

Not really sure how that's fair but there you go.

 

[AbusementPark]

It should have went down to who encroached first and then who benefitted from the advantage, both occasions it was Watford and as such there should have been a freekick to United, my 2 cents.
2 poor penalties in the end, still had to be saved but a sort of justice was done. Should have been the lift the squad needed to wake up.

 

[sullydnl]

If both teams have a player encroaching and either gets involved in a relevant way then it's a retake. So it was the correct call, just a slightly odd rule.

If AWB wasn't encroaching it wouldn't have been a retake and (I think) if the Watford player had missed the follow up it wouldn't be a retake either.

I guess the logic is that a penalty is supposed to be in the attacking team's advantage, so they don't then want to penalise the attacking team for encroachment when the defending team is also encroaching.

 

[Ixion]

On the subject of encroachment go back and watch Schmeichel's penalty save against Arsenal in the 99 Cup and look at Scholes. Imagine if that had been retaken.

 

[Nick7]

In the case of a missed penalty, if an attacking player encroaches it’s a free out. If a defending player encroaches it’s a retake. If both encroach it’s a retake. A couple of our players were in the box when the penalty was taken so it was retaken.

There’s a table here that lays it out

https://www.thefa.com/football-rule...laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick

 

[Frank Grimes]

I think a penalty should be taken similar to how it is in ice hockey.
Taker scores, obviously it's a goal.
Taker misses, goal kick.
No rebounds, no encroachment etc.

It is scored or not.

Exactly, like in penalty shoot outs. Solves a lot of problems. Also if a team misses a chance from 12 yards out they don't deserve a jammy rebound.

 

[Dave Smith]

I think a penalty should be taken similar to how it is in ice hockey.
Taker scores, obviously it's a goal.
Taker misses, goal kick.
No rebounds, no encroachment etc.

It is scored or not.

I agree.

 

[ManUnitedCanuck]

Every goal is reviewed, including pens.

They never overturn penalty goals when players encroach. Exhibit A - Jorginho pen goal today against United

 

[arnie_ni]

They had a player in the box when they hit that pen today. Why didnt Var intervene? If it goes direct in does in not matter?

 

[Stactix]

They had a player in the box when they hit that pen today. Why didnt Var intervene? If it goes direct in does in not matter?

Depends on the bias of the VAR

 

[Gringo]

Players should all be on the halfway line when it's taken.