Penalty Shoot Outs - Quick Q on the rules...

friendlytramp

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Just a thought but when does the ball become "dead" in a penalty shoot out?
If it hits teh post and out and the taker follows up, obviously that doesn't count, but what if it hits the post then bounces in off the back of the keepers head or similar? and if that's ok, what if the keeper saves it, then picks it up and drops it into the net by accident?

There must be a fixed point..is it once the ball has stopped moving?
 
It's considered dead when the ball stops moving forward, I think.
 
This happened to me today in my sunday league team -

we conceded a penalty, the taker stepped up to take it, shot and scored but the referee blew the whistle and said no goal, goal kick, because one of the takers team mates had stepped into box before he shot the ball

Is this a new rule? or was the referee just plain wrong? i thought he was wrong to be honest, and he has been with most of the decisions throughout the game.
 
Fergies Formula said:
This happened to me today in my sunday league team -

we conceded a penalty, the taker stepped up to take it, shot and scored but the referee blew the whistle and said no goal, goal kick, because one of the takers team mates had stepped into box before he shot the ball

Is this a new rule? or was the referee just plain wrong? i thought he was wrong to be honest, and he has been with most of the decisions throughout the game.
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I'm pretty sure he should have made him retake it...
 
Fergies Formula said:
This happened to me today in my sunday league team -

we conceded a penalty, the taker stepped up to take it, shot and scored but the referee blew the whistle and said no goal, goal kick, because one of the takers team mates had stepped into box before he shot the ball

Is this a new rule? or was the referee just plain wrong? i thought he was wrong to be honest, and he has been with most of the decisions throughout the game.
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The ref was an idiot, even the most spacca ridden headcase knows its a retake.
 
It's a retake if it's scored, only a goal kick if it's missed completely. If a player from the defending team encroaches, it's a retake if it's missed, goal if it's scored.
 
Everyone's getting distracted...what's the answer to my question in the first post?
 
friendlytramp said:
Everyone's getting distracted...what's the answer to my question in the first post?
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The scenario you describe happened once, and the goal was given, although I believe according to the letter of the law it shouldn't have been.
 
i knew he was a fecking tool, guess it was just lucky it went in our favor and the penalty didnt matter(which i conceded), he was giving the most bizarre decisions i have seen all game. i questioned him a few times and once he said to me in a punch drunk old school boxers voice "its in the rules mate" and i said, there arent rules there are laws old timer ;)
 
there different rules for a penalty in normal time versus a penalty shootout


in a penalty shootout the penalty is over once it stops moving forwards.
therefore if it hits the post, then back out and hits the keeper, then goes in... it shouldnt count...

if the ref tells a player that full time is up after a penalty in normal time, then the ball can hit the keeper, go in, and be counted....
 
henno said:
there different rules for a penalty in normal time versus a penalty shootout


in a penalty shootout the penalty is over once it stops moving forwards.
therefore if it hits the post, then back out and hits the keeper, then goes in... it shouldnt count...

if the ref tells a player that full time is up after a penalty in normal time, then the ball can hit the keeper, go in, and be counted....
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Thank you
 
Fergies Formula said:
i knew he was a fecking tool, guess it was just lucky it went in our favor and the penalty didnt matter(which i conceded), he was giving the most bizarre decisions i have seen all game. i questioned him a few times and once he said to me in a punch drunk old school boxers voice "its in the rules mate" and i said, there arent rules there are laws old timer ;)
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How about giving an indirect freekick in the box when your keeper fumbles the ball, then catches it again after it bounces? Apparently (according to a ref I had way back) if the keeper drops a ball that he should be able to catch, he then can't pick it up again.

Stupid bastard, we were already getting smashed in that game. :mad:
 
henno said:
there different rules for a penalty in normal time versus a penalty shootout


in a penalty shootout the penalty is over once it stops moving forwards.
therefore if it hits the post, then back out and hits the keeper, then goes in... it shouldnt count...
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France (Bruno Bellone) scored a goal like that in the quarter final penalty shoot out vs Brazil in the 1986 World Cup, and the ref allowed it.

Have the rules been changed or was the ref dead wrong?
 
henno said:
there different rules for a penalty in normal time versus a penalty shootout


in a penalty shootout the penalty is over once it stops moving forwards.
therefore if it hits the post, then back out and hits the keeper, then goes in... it shouldnt count...

if the ref tells a player that full time is up after a penalty in normal time, then the ball can hit the keeper, go in, and be counted....
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There were no complaints in the quarter final of Euro 2004 when Ljungberg's penalty went off the bar, off VDS's back and then into the back of the net... Why not if that's wrong?
 
Floyd said:
France (Bruno Bellone) scored a goal like that in the quarter final penalty shoot out vs Brazil in the 1986 World Cup, and the ref allowed it.

Have the rules been changed or was the ref dead wrong?
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the rules were challanged after this incident... that penalty shouldnt have actually stood because the rule at the time stated.."the game shall terminate immediately the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper, the cross-bar or the goal-post".

there was clarification sought by the scottish FA and they managed to get the rules changed to state ""When a penalty kick is being taken during the normal course of play, or when time has been extended at half-time or full-time to allow a penalty-kick to be taken or retaken, a goal shall not be nullified if, before passing between the posts and under the cross-bar, the ball touches either or both of the goalposts, or the cross-bar, or the goalkeeper, or any combination of these agencies, providing that no other infringement has occurred."

however the rules were changed again in the 97-98 season to reflect the spirit of the games to state instead ""No matter how many combinations of goalpost, crossbar, goalkeeper's body parts etc. are involved, if the ball ends up in the goal because of the energy imparted onto it by the kicker's boot, a goal should be allowed."
 
MadDogg said:
How about giving an indirect freekick in the box when your keeper fumbles the ball, then catches it again after it bounces? Apparently (according to a ref I had way back) if the keeper drops a ball that he should be able to catch, he then can't pick it up again.

Stupid bastard, we were already getting smashed in that game. :mad:
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lol, yeh i heard about that ages ago, what a silly rule though, it basickly means a keeper shouldnt even bounce the ball before either

we got smashed 5-4 today because of that bloody ref!
thats what ill tell myself
 
henno said:
there different rules for a penalty in normal time versus a penalty shootout


in a penalty shootout the penalty is over once it stops moving forwards.
therefore if it hits the post, then back out and hits the keeper, then goes in... it shouldnt count...

if the ref tells a player that full time is up after a penalty in normal time, then the ball can hit the keeper, go in, and be counted....
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Is the correct answer.
 
Ljungberg scored penalty like that and it was counted. Maybe it is on youtube somewhere.

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henno said:
no actually isnt,....


i clarified it above after some investigation....

the rules have changed over the years
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The second half of what was posted is true - Law 14 covers it.
However, there is no clarification that I could see in the Laws of the game about it in penalty shoot outs.

What appears to be the common sense is that the player takes the kick and that can be his only contact. If the ball goes out of play, the kick is over if the ball hits the goalkeeper after the post there is nothing in the laws to say that it is not a goal. Law 14 simply governs that play continues after what would have been full time for the goal to stand should it hit the post then the keeper and goes in. Given that is a perfectly legal way of scoring and that the Law pretty much stipulates that it is a valid way of scoring, I'd take that on a logical step and say that the time has been extended because the Law deems that post - keeper - goal is all part of the same penalty, whereas running in for a rebound is an extension of play.
 
Fergies Formula said:
i knew he was a fecking tool, guess it was just lucky it went in our favor and the penalty didnt matter(which i conceded), he was giving the most bizarre decisions i have seen all game. i questioned him a few times and once he said to me in a punch drunk old school boxers voice "its in the rules mate" and i said, there arent rules there are laws old timer ;)
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The situation you're describing is identical to when Park ran into the box as Ronaldo was taking the penalty against Arsenal at OT towards the end of last season. Ronnie scored but, as you'll remember, was made to retake the kick.
 
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