matt10000
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Exactly, waste of money.Ousted out of the poorest United in generations by Fred and McTominay. Yeah lads. What a player.
Exactly, waste of money.Ousted out of the poorest United in generations by Fred and McTominay. Yeah lads. What a player.
4 years is pretty mad
Everton fans to protest?4 years seems excessive. I was expecting at most, 2.
It would warrant a life ban had Toney participated in those games. However, on each of those occasions, he bet against his parent club (Newcastle) whilst he was out on loan elsewhere. It's not as disgraceful as the sensationalist headline would suggest.Bans for this kind of cheating are so ridiculously out of sync with other bad behaviours. 4 years?
Toney got 8 months and he bet on his own team to lose. That should've been a life ban.
I'd assume that there was regular testing back then.Kinda meaningless if he’s been doping to achieve those titles.
I think I remember you mate, do you still have that pic of you and Paul together up in your shop?As his former barber I saw the roid rage firsthand...
In all seriousness though, very sad end to a somewhat wasted career. Yes he underperformed for us as a whole, but he did give us (me at least) a few incredible tastes of what could have been over his time here. He was hardly one of our worst signings. I was over the moon when we signed him, and actually pretty bummed when he left again. Overall, I just always was rooting for the lad. He seemed to be genuinely liked by his teammates, had loads of talent, and basically if he just had a bit more self awareness and maturity he would probably have been an all timer. There were (admittedly too few) times you could see he went into "all-out" mode and he was an absolute joy to watch.
I don't think I've ever been more torn over a player that I simply liked more than I should have based on his actual production...but he was a classic example. I have no ill will towards the man, and just hope he was good with saving his money because I see a tough road ahead for him after football...
Outrageous. Only an 8 game ban for such a serious offence.
What made him special was his rare combination of physical strength and stamina with brilliant technique. He had the potential to become a much better version of Vieira, maybe even reach Rijkaard's level.What a damn shame. Somehow i don't think he'd knowingly cheat. His talent was more technical than physical. Let's see when all the facts come out.
A generational talent, and he ended up barely playing anymore after the age of... what, 27 or 28? Two or three years of non-stop injuries and then a four-year ban that will surely spell the end of his career. What a waste; and while I can't sit here and say that I think his injury troubles were all fake or self-inflicted or whatever, there always was a feeling that he wasn't doing everything he could to be available. Going against the club's medical advice, fecking off to Miami and Dubai to lounge around, an uncanny tendency to get these injuries at times when the weather in England happens to be bad, and evidently doping up. I have a strong hunch that if he had been more professional and grounded, things would have gone much better for him.
Completed football? What?Potential to do what though?
He won the ultimate trophy in football and won it by being an integral part. He got to the final of the Euros too.
He’s won multiple league titles, domestic cups and the Europa League whilst making a CL final where he couldn’t really have done much more against a great Barcelona team.
Played all over the world for two big teams and for his country in major tournaments, given brilliant performances and moments of quality as befitting his talent
I don’t know what more people expect really.
I don’t like the guy but he pretty much completed football. Can retire with a load of money and probably do some punditry or something else as he’s a ‘character’ off the pitch.
Considering he spent most of his career in England, not winning the domestic title, main domestic cup, or the champions league means this isn’t true.I did, to highlight he’s won pretty much everything there is to win in football.
How he did it is meaningless if he did it.
He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who looked after his money and can easily retire at age 30.That's his career done surely ? He's 30. If I were him I would retire.
What a shambolic end to a player's career. He'll be remembered for this only now.
I think this is the fairest assessment.I think thats the thing people need to reference when its said he has wasted his career. Yes he has some great titles and achievements (more than most footballers) but he should have been a generational talent. He had all the natural ability and skills for this but ultimately poor decisions, bad timing (as with anything in life), injuries and (in my opinion) his football intelligence and maturity never matching or maturing at the same rate as his talent means to me it is a wasted career, maybe all this might have clicked in the last few years if he had been fit but then again maybe it just was never going to. He had everything in his locker to have been one of the all time mids, its sad really but hard to feel too sad for him as he did play a part in it himself.
Who knows? It's entirely possible that he was trying to accelerate his rehab and got caught, tale as old as time.Kinda meaningless if he’s been doping to achieve those titles.
Like it missed anyone’s attention that his body started breaking down two years at least before he left. Their were people like myself who appreciated Pogba as a player who didn’t want us to give him another contract, we’re happy for him to leave because he looked like he couldn’t run and get around the pitch anymore, he never seemed to fully get over the affects of Covid either together with injuries.Yeah, if you’re being charitable you can write off his United career as being dragged down at a dysfunctional club but to have had the luxury of walking away on a free contract, at such a relatively young age, should have set him up for an amazing next few years. And look what happened. You won’t often see a player with his reputation achieve so little in his late twenties.
I looked at stats and worked everything out a while back. He started something like 92% of games he was available for over his entire time here. Including his falling out with Jose and returns from injuries, there were very few games he wasn’t picked for.Ousted out of the poorest United in generations by Fred and McTominay. Yeah lads. What a player.
Depends if they gave him the dopeSo do juventus still have to pay him or will his contract be void now?
No it doesn't. I still don't get why dancing is apparently some kind of cardinal sin for a footballer by some reactionary fans. Hasn't practically every Brazilian and African player ever done it on the pitch? Or do people think he's spending 6 hours a day on the choreography?Explains all his pratting about with Lingard with silly dances rather than concentrating on football.
At least the clowns in charge back then apparently had some kind of standard they wouldn't go below.I'm finding hard to believe that we've come out well in a transfer/contract situation.
Pretty standard anti-doping ban considering no admittance of guilt and no other factors.4 years does seem ridiculously harsh.
Ye it’s traditional for Brazilians and Africans. My point is Pogba cared about literally anything other than what his actual job was. To play football. Guys a fraud. We’ve been done over twice with him. Not worth a mention. Let him go to sign him for a record to then let him go again for free.No it doesn't. I still don't get why dancing is apparently some kind of cardinal sin for a footballer by some reactionary fans. Hasn't practically every Brazilian and African player ever done it on the pitch? Or do people think he's spending 6 hours a day on the choreography?