Poll:Do you think that Rooney's new, improved, 300k contract will pay out for United in few years?

Do you think that Rooney's new, improved, 300k contract will pay out for United in few years?

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Seeing that many disagree on this, and that BBC has reported that he has signed it, and that we only have two options(it will turn out good for United, or it won't), I am curious how many people think that giving this kind of contract will turn out to be good, or not good for United in few years. It's long term contract, so I think it could be interesting bumping this thread in few years and seeing who was right, and who wasn't.

This is not meant to be thread where you call everyone who agrees/disagrees with your opinion idiots, I am just curious about the percentage of those who think that his new contract will, or will not be good for United, and about the personal opinions and arguments why did someone voted for one of the options, because it will be interesting when we bump this thread in few years, especially considering that we already know everything about Rooney, so I think we can all make reasonable opinions considering that all the pros and cons are on the table already.
Of course, everyone is free to argue, it's football forum after all, but please let's try not to call everyone idiot who don't agree with your opinion, considering that happened in the Rooney thread, and there are lot of good arguments on both sides.

And btw, figure of 300k doesn't necessarily have to be correct, but considering that he was already our highest paid player alongside van Persie and one of highest paid players in the world, I think it's fair to say that his new contract(even if it's not 300k) will be one of the highest paid football contracts in the world at the moment, so I think it was one of the biggest decisions club had to make in recent years.

Go...
 
Btw, I think some are familiar with my opinion on this from the Rooney thread, but I tried my best to be objective in the OP.
 
Yes.

If we lose him this summer we have to sign a replacement, I would bet that a transfer fee plus the wages of the replacement would add up to substantially more than the cost of Rooney's contract over the term of the deal.
 
It's a huge amount of money no doubt about it, but clearly it will either show a statement of intent that United will still be a force (he is well thought of across the Continent, and good players will like the idea of playing with him), or it will encourage a bigger fee should Chelsea or another team come looking for his signature!

I don't know why fans get so hung up on the details of his wages. I very much doubt it would imped on our ability to spend in the market, and I can only see it as a good thing! Not least because it ends the speculation.
 
At this time and in the situation we're in losing Rooney would be a massive blow. Beyond that, he's a very good player and would be very difficult to replace.

Worth it.
 
If could work, if he plays as he should for the next few years he is a great asset.

I'm a bit more Joe McElderry though, I prefer the climb and would much prefer to bring new exciting talent to the team and cash in on Rooney now ala Beckham and Van Nistlerooy before.
 
No, unless by pay out you mean we sell him off in this summer or next for a considerable amount.
 
Rado_N said:
Yes.

If we lose him this summer we have to sign a replacement, I would bet that a transfer fee plus the wages of the replacement would add up to substantially more than the cost of Rooney's contract over the term of the deal.
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That's ignoring the fact we would get a hefty transfer fee this summer.
 
Hard to say, because I genuinely believe it's more than just his own performances which matter.

If Rooney was leaving in the summer, I think it's damage our chances of getting other top names further. It's never a great sign when teams are losing their top players, and it would help give potential incoming players more confidence that we would get straight back into the Champions League.
 
Kaos said:
No, unless by pay out you mean we sell him off in this summer or next for a considerable amount.
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Well you can count on that too, and you're free to estimate how much some clubs will be willing to pay for player with huge wages and already 29, or 30 next year.
 
I'm slightly torn. He's one of our best players but on the other hand I feel that we need to move on from our two-striker system if we are to improve the quality and diversity of our football. So I feel that we would be better off selling either Rooney or RvP and buying a winger of equal quality for that money. Of course, if Rooney stays, that still leaves one possibility.

Ultimately, I voted no. It's the kind of money you'd pay one of the three best players in the world and Rooney is nowhere near that good.
 
Rado_N said:
Yes.

If we lose him this summer we have to sign a replacement, I would bet that a transfer fee plus the wages of the replacement would add up to substantially more than the cost of Rooney's contract over the term of the deal.
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Why would you think that? We just signed Mata, who has proved he is world class player whose favourite position is behind the striker, and if Kagawa stays he could be more than decent option behind Mata, and we have Welbeck who can play there with van Persie in pair too(after all, Fergie opted for that option in our biggest game last season), and there's always changing the formation and playing with 3 midfielders(Moyes favoured that formation at Everton anyway), and considering that it's inevitable that we will sign midfielder in the summer(doesn't matter if Rooney stays or goes) and that we bought Fellaini just 6 months ago, I think that that we will have more than strong competition for those places even with Rooney going. Of course, all that if both Kagawa and van Persie stay, and I don't see why they wouldn't.
 
By the way, a really important point that the OP left out is the consequence of what happens if Rooney doesn't sign a contract and leaves in the summer. Safe to assume he won't go abroad and who here wouldn't be seriously concerned about the thought of him leading the line for Chelsea under Mourinho?
 
Amar__ said:
Why would you think that? We just signed Mata, who has proved he is world class player whose favourite position is behind the striker, and if Kagawa stays he could be more than decent option behind Mata, and we have Welbeck who can play there with van Persie in pair too(after all, Fergie opted for that option in our biggest game last season), and there's always changing the formation and playing with 3 midfielders(Moyes favoured that formation at Everton anyway), and considering that it's inevitable that we will sign midfielder in the summer(doesn't matter if Rooney stays or goes) and that we bought Fellaini just 6 months ago, I think that that we will have more than strong competition for those places even with Rooney going. Of course, all that if both Kagawa and van Persie stay, and I don't see why they wouldn't.
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I don't think Kagawa is going to cut it and I think RVP is going to be difficult to rely on for an awful lot longer. If Rooney were to leave this summer I'm quite certain we'd be needing a replacement.

DFreshKing said:
RVP? Really Rooney would be worthless a year early to Chelsea? Poor post ill thought out.
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Who said worthless? You said we'd get a 'hefty transfer fee' this summer. You don't get 'hefty' fees for players who want out and only have 12 months left. Any transfer fee we got for him would certainly be a good amount less than we'd have to pay for an adequate replacement. Poor response, not at all thought out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
By the way, a really important point that the OP left out is the consequence of what happens if Rooney doesn't sign a contract and leaves in the summer. Safe to assume he won't go abroad and who here wouldn't be seriously concerned about the thought of him leading the line for Chelsea under Mourinho?
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Also true, not to mention the impression it gives to our potential targets.
 
No. He's good but not quite THAT good and to tie him up until 2019 on this wages is very risky. He could quite conceivably fade away in 2 or 3 years and we'd still have to pay him 15 million a year for 3 years.
 
85,800,000.

That's how much 300k pw is for 5.5 years, just to give people an idea how much it is.

If we had to replace him with a like for like player (let's say we do for arguments sake) then, that would be... What 35m for arguments sake of a player of his quality? Then let's say we pay that person 180,000 pw...sound reasonable?

over 5.5 years that would be 51,300,000. Making 86,300,000 overall.

Assuming those figures are all correct, then that's still actually cheaper overall. Plus I don't believe the 300k amount.

The amount of money in football is ridiculous!
 
Don't think his quality justifies that type of contract, also don't think United would be the worse if they sold him in the summer, and went with Mata behind RVP, in fact i could envision a more fluid co ordinated style of football.
 
Nope. I think that his form will rapidly decrease after a couple of years. Franky speaking (as unpopular as it sounds) I would have preferred to sell him and play Mata/Kagawa as a No.10 with Robin as the main striker. Robin-Rooney partnership isn't working and we need to change it. Now with Rooney getting a new contract, I wouldn't be against selling RVP who is a superior player to Rooney in almost everything.
 
Dracula said:
85,800,000.

That's how much 300k pw is for 5.5 years, just to give people an idea how much it is.

If we had to replace him with a like for like player (let's say we do for arguments sake) then, that would be... What 35m for arguments sake of a player of his quality? Then let's say we pay that person 180,000 pw...sound reasonable?

over 5.5 years that would be 51,300,000. Making 86,300,000 overall.

Assuming those figures are all correct, then that's still actually cheaper overall. Plus I don't believe the 300k amount.

The amount of money in football is ridiculous!
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You don't though you already have Mata and Kagawa.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
By the way, a really important point that the OP left out is the consequence of what happens if Rooney doesn't sign a contract and leaves in the summer. Safe to assume he won't go abroad and who here wouldn't be seriously concerned about the thought of him leading the line for Chelsea under Mourinho?
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I haven't said also that if he stays here that we would keep arguably our best player. That's why I didn't gave possible outcomes, good or bad, I asked people to vote and explain why they think like that.
 
Dracula said:
85,800,000.

That's how much 300k pw is for 5.5 years, just to give people an idea how much it is.

If we had to replace him with a like for like player (let's say we do for arguments sake) then, that would be... What 35m for arguments sake of a player of his quality? Then let's say we pay that person 180,000 pw...sound reasonable?

over 5.5 years that would be 51,300,000. Making 86,300,000 overall.

Assuming those figures are all correct, then that's still actually cheaper overall. Plus I don't believe the 300k amount.

The amount of money in football is ridiculous!
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Substract 30m at least from Rooney's sale and it would be 56,3000,300 overall. If that player is someone young (like Reus for example) we can also sell him after 5 years and recuperate some money. Rooney after 5.5 years will have zero value (if he would be still playing).
 
Revan said:
Substract 30m at least from Rooney's sale and it would be 56,3000,300 overall. If that player is someone young (like Reus for example) we can also sell him after 5 years and recuperate some money. Rooney after 5.5 years will have zero value (if he would be still playing).
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We would never get 30m for rooney with a year left on his contract that's mad. But yeah, maybe 15-20 depending on circumstances. We might have got lucky as arse did with rvp.

We may get someone with sell on value, but not necessarily. .like rvp
 
Not a snowballs chance in hell of Mata or Kagawa replacing the goals Rooney brings to the team. They'd probably struggle even if you added their joint totals together. Players that come with guaranteed goals are the most expensive asset in football.
 
£300,000 a week is: £43,000 a day, £1,800 an hour, £30 per minute, £0.50 a second.

Basically, when Rooney goes to the toilet, he earns what most people earn over a day.
 
Rado_N said:
I don't think Kagawa is going to cut it and I think RVP is going to be difficult to rely on for an awful lot longer. If Rooney were to leave this summer I'm quite certain we'd be needing a replacement.
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That's why I said he is option number two, he doesn't have to be our first choice, we have Mata. Plus, I almost forgot about Januzaj, who also might end up in that position.
As for van Persie, how do you know that Rooney will stay on his highest level in future too? I don't think that's fair on van Persie, considering that you're quite certain that Rooney will stay excellent player, but you're unsure of him. They both have their flaws, van Persie with his injuries, and Rooney with his short term injuries/spells of bad form.
 
Let's see here:

We have overvalued the player and shackled ourselves to an unwisely lengthy contract.
Shifted the wage structure of the club for someone undeserving.
Further rewarded the antics of him and his agent thus showing the club to be an easy mark [and that ahead of a busy transfer window].
Have perhaps hastened the departure of other players and influenced future team selection to a damaing degree.

I'm leaning towards no at this point.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not a snowballs chance in hell of Mata or Kagawa replacing the goals Rooney brings to the team. They'd probably struggle even if you added their joint totals together. Players that come with guaranteed goals are the most expensive asset in football.
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Hes scored 9 goals in the league this season, Mata can quite easily match that figure.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not a snowballs chance in hell of Mata or Kagawa replacing the goals Rooney brings to the team. They'd probably struggle even if you added their joint totals together. Players that come with guaranteed goals are the most expensive asset in football.
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Rooney's number of goals in seasons he has played as a (highly advanced) No.10:

2007-2008 18 goals
2008-2009 20 goals
2010-2011 16 goals
2012-2013 16 goals

Mata scored last season 20 goals, the season before that only 12 goals while on Valencia he has scored on two seasons 14 goals (08-09 and 09-10). Also Mata is a plyer that arguably has yet to reach his peak. Count also the assists which he makes (much more than Rooney) and it is pretty even. His all-round game is better than Rooney (on the No.10 position) too.

Dracula said:
We would never get 30m for rooney with a year left on his contract that's mad. But yeah, maybe 15-20 depending on circumstances. We might have got lucky as arse did with rvp.

We may get someone with sell on value, but not necessarily. .like rvp
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Rooney is a more marketable player than RVP and Chelsea desperately wants him. I am sure that Jose would be happy to pay 30m for him
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not a snowballs chance in hell of Mata or Kagawa replacing the goals Rooney brings to the team. They'd probably struggle even if you added their joint totals together. Players that come with guaranteed goals are the most expensive asset in football.
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We said this when RVN left in 2006.
 
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