I would be absolutely devastated even if any one of De Gea, Pogba or Martial leave and now there are exit rumours surrounding all 3.......
POLL: Negotiation over Martial's contract extension have stalled | Times: United to hold fresh talks
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This table doesn't paint the good story you think it does. Mata, a midfielder who is not renowned for being a goal scorer, has scored more goals than Martial, despite only being at the club a season longer and playing in midfield.
Rashford has played a lot less games than Martial, but has scored nearly as much (and been on the wing most of the time).
Zlatan has scored nearly as many goals in his one true season than Martial has in 3 seasons.
This table actually shows what a relatively poor return we've get from Martial considering his talent.
Would they?
I'm not saying Rashford is perfect, but he's only 20, but i believe even a 20 year old Rashford is better than a 22 year old Martial and Manchester United are much stronger with Rashford on the pitch than Martial.
A 19 year old Martial over a 19/20 year old Rashford that's tougher to call, but that's the problem, people are still seeing the Martial of 3 years ago, not Martial how he is now.
I want him to sign a new contract. He's part of our attacking problem though (along with plenty of others). Despite his pretty decent stats being pushed around, his movement and general contribution to our play isn't great most of the time.
Martial isn't a winger though, that's probably why he's stalling, he wants to be a striker and wants gaurantees he's going to get to play that role. He's a square peg in a round hole.
Bale is a winger, Sanchez is a winger. Imagine Lukaku up top, with Bale on the left and Sanchez on the right (and they could swap sides during games to confuse and torment defenses). That would be a front three of round pegs in round holes, how it's supposed to be.
Mata is renown for being a goalscorer, in fact it's one of the main aspects of his game, he is more a finisher than creator which is why he has almost as many goals as assists.
What is Rashford better at, apart from making runs? Honest question.
Shite for two seasons? He was pretty good in his first, relatively poor in his second and now he's in his third, which was going well. When was this other shite season? Stop rewriting history.
If he's smart he should wait to see how this season finishes, same with De Gea, I want them to sign new contracts of course but who knows where we will be come the seasons end. In particular i wouldn't begrudge De Gea a move if we end up outside the CL again.
We aren't Arsenal not a chance he wont get a new contract ..
If you read the reports, you'd know it's the club that's stalling, not Martial. I think he's happy to stay. The agent talking to Bouhafsi is probably just a way of telling United to hurry up.
Jose needs to be partially blamed for this. If he can't handle young players , he should just go. I am sick of our policies where we just become a home for retirement. All good for immediate success, but these guys are our future - Pogba,Martial and Rashford.
Really i love the guy
But at his current level, we could do better. Thats why i voted no
But at his current level, we could do better. Thats why i voted no
He's been shunted out of the team and position for a shiny new player, who as yet hasn't replicated his form of previous clubs.
If he doesn't sign on with us, and goes on elsewhere and fulfils his potential it would be rather annoying.
If he doesn't sign on with us, and goes on elsewhere and fulfils his potential it would be rather annoying.
It would be infuriating...
I am optimistic that Martial and DDG will both sign contract extensions.
If we want to be back where we belong and become League champions and a European powerhouse then we need to keep our best players period.
If we want to be back where we belong and become League champions and a European powerhouse then we need to keep our best players period.
It's not going well though, he was sat on the bench from August to November and still gets criticised from pundits and fans and Sanchez as just taken his position, you know a position "which was going well" for Martial, but this tells me it hasn't been going well and even the manager isn't convinced by him.
Take a look in the Martial thread to see not everything is all rosy with him and opinions are mixed, he's a marmite player.
Something that I find incredible is that in the league, Martial scored 9 goals in around 1300 minutes, while Lukaku has scored 12 in around 2200. And Martial is heavily criticized.
He'll never fullfill any potential under Negative Jose so he may as well leave for a club and manager that's going to let play in his best position and get the best out of him
It's not even been a month. I don't think the sample size is enough to make any kind of conclusions.
Sat on the bench from August to November, yet he's still been the most productive attacker after Lukaku. How would you describe our other attackers' seasons, if one of our most productive players has apparently been poor? Has Rashford been shite too? We only bought Sanchez because he suddenly became available. It wasn't a case of us needing to strengthen on the left, as Jose already explained ("when a top player becomes available, you try").
I'm convinced he will sign but that's not my worry.
My worry is that I can't see any quality attackers prospering the way things are going, much less a young one.
My worry is that I can't see any quality attackers prospering the way things are going, much less a young one.
You're beating a dead horse.
Got a bad feeling he is off and I don't blame him, he has been treated like shit.
Hopefully Martial and Pogba get sold in the summer for big bucks and United bring in players who are suited for premier league. Two proper CMs and a RW would be good replacements for these two 'fancy dans'.
Proof Martial is still getting criticized from pundits:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-suggests-Mourinho-lost-patience-Martial.html
Quotes from Gary Neville also in that article criticizing Martial again (for about the 3rd time this season).
Also in the above article is a stat that Martial as started "just 10 of their 23 Premier League matches".
People laughed when Carragher said the above, but since Sanchez signed for United, he's started on the LW and Martial as been shifted out to the right, he called it.
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Oh, feck off. You make my hangover worse.
Absolutely. Sometimes people say things...
So you'd trust the coach that made the decision to spend 89m on the player in the first place?
Yeah, but Lukaku puts in a shift & Martial isn’t arsed, didn’t you know!
Anybody that doesn't rate or want Martial to extend is clueless. He's got the potential to be the best around, even rival fans see it.
We should extend his contract of course, but we should by no means be held to ransom over a hike in his salary. Martial is a great player who has more potential than anyone in our squad, but he needs to be more consistent and show-up in the big games to warrant further financial reward.
Although, I wouldn't blame him for looking for a way out. Constantly being benched for the likes of Rashford and Lingard is mind-boggling at times.
Although, I wouldn't blame him for looking for a way out. Constantly being benched for the likes of Rashford and Lingard is mind-boggling at times.
He's shown so much potential under a manager who had no attacking impetuous and anthoer who is one of the most negative managers in the world. I hope to one day see him at Old Trafford under a competent manager who doesn't need to sacrifice attack for defence. Both him and Pogba.
Can you imagine what could happen if he was arsed and given more than 60% of Lukaku's playing time? 60 goals per seasons?
We haven't offered him a contract after meeting his agent (and probably telling him to expect an offer). That's the source of his disappointment.
He hasn't held us to ransom.
I'm confident he will sign but my worry is how we get him to fulfil his potential.
Jesus.
That doesn't bode well for contract renewals for any of our players bar De Gea
I actually dont rate him massively so I wouldn't be fussed.
Interesting that you didn't/couldn't actually address my post. What Neville says is irrelevant really; he some sort of bias against Martial because of a price tag he wasn't in control of. Rashford on the other hand gets a free pass.
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Pundits aren't gospel, so telling me a couple of others don't rate Martial doesn't make a difference to your argument when I could easily find two random people saying the opposite.
@Adisa Yeah, not sure why I'm bothering again.
Pretty sure Neville would be the first to say selling Martial is stupid.
He wants more from him, that's understandable.
He's 22.
I can't take anyone saying we shouldn't extend seriously.
