I'm not sure how accurate it is, but from what I've heard Real are desperate to keep him. Even offering him captaincy if Ramos leaves. However he doesn't seem to want to sign so they'd rather sell him for decent money now rather than lose him for free next summer. So the ball is in his court. The issue for us is that he has apparently been fairly average for the last two seasons (I haven't actually watched them so just going off hearsay).
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Think its much to do with wages as well, Real doesnt want to give what he demands, especially now after SL failure. And I guess Real need some money in if they have any chance of big signings
How many times have people on here moaned that we don’t capitalise on Real releasing good players for reasonable money?
Varane is right footed, however if the £40m or so figure is correct and he wanrs to come to United then its a complete no brainer. You just don't get players of his quality for that sort of fee. His form might have dipped a little recently but his class is permanent. At his best he is a world class defender.
Honestly, i really don't really feel strongly either way. I'm leaning for the former in general because ultimately he's been really good for us on the whole, and he is for France too, but i also don't think he'd be particularly difficult to replace, either. Like, if we sell i don't think we'd miss him, really. Well, other than emotionally, since he's been with us forever and is a club great at this point
He'd definitely be an improvement for United though, he's better than Lindeloff and he has serious pace which should make him a good partner for Maguire
To be fair probably the same amount that say we shouldn’t be accepting their cast-offs after the likes of Di Maria. Personally I don’t have an issue with that anymore, since we’re not in their league over the past few years and needs must. If Ole has decided he’s the one for us then so be it.
He really hasn't. He's been at his usual very good level. The only poor season from him was 18/19, post WC he looked like a pub league player for months
I’ve never been overly impressed when I’ve seen him, but that’s mainly in Europe. I do find it slightly worrying that you’d let him go at a time when Ramos is also on the way out.
I read somewhere where Fergie said he is hesitant to sign a player whenever the player's club doesn't at least put up a decent effort to keep him. On that note seeing that Real seem ok to be losing him, I'm not sure I want Varane. But then again, it's Real Madrid and they have a history of allowing really good players to leave and those players go on to shine elsewhere (Robben, Sneijder etc.).
Ramos hasn't signed a new deal yet, right?
Would Madrid lose both CB in the same window with money being tight too and a new contract now would be cheaper in the short term than a new player (fees ect include).
I'm always sceptical about Madrid players wanting to join us around the time their contracts need renewing.
If he does really want to leave, it's a no brainer! Class player.
Would Madrid lose both CB in the same window with money being tight too and a new contract now would be cheaper in the short term than a new player (fees ect include).
I'm always sceptical about Madrid players wanting to join us around the time their contracts need renewing.
If he does really want to leave, it's a no brainer! Class player.
It's his decision, club wants to keep him
Oh my bad, I thought the club was deliberating over a new contract.
I don't think he's been that good the past 2 seasons.
But he'd be a good partner next to Maguire.
But he'd be a good partner next to Maguire.
We're offering him a new deal, then it's up to him
Whilst I'm not sure about Varane, it's very pleasing to see the club has recognised what an issue CB has become.
At the very worst, an instant massive upgrade on Lindelof/Bailly. If he finds anything close to his best form, could be the best partner for Maguire. I'm not bothered about a left footer. Too many top clubs are fine without one for it to be an actual problem.
Worrying about what foot a centreback plays with is just so bizarre. They play in the centre of the pitch and can use either foot. Whether the left or the right is weaker makes absolutely zero difference, they still have one weak foot.
Being two footed is a big bonus though.
And Maguire has been playing on the left side for a while now. For Man Utd, Leicester, England and Hull too I think.
Links to these players infuriates me. Clearly wants a new contract at Madrid. Agents link him with us and the fans are taken in every time.
no one ever cared until LVG.
Aa result of this strange fascination- we ended up with Rojo. A monumental waste of money.
If I'm not mistaken, Madrid has offered him a contract more than a year ago and he is the one who doesn't want to sign one or find an agreement. It's a bit of a weird situation because his supposed desire to leave is as old as 2019.
Sorry for the delay. Yes, for 50-60 million euros it would be a good signing.
I imagine you have to assess who can be the best companion for Maguire.
I don't follow United much to describe him adequately but he seems good with the ball but also in need of a specialist to correct him.
Something like Pepe for Ramos or Puyol for Piqué. Someone a little tough, but it's something very personal, I've always liked that mix of defenses and in that sense maybe Kounde fits better, although Varane is a world cup winner and with Kounde and for the same price you would have to assume a risk.
This year I do not remember notable errors like against City last year, he has looked better without Ramos but also nothing spectacular that would change the image of him.
Wouldn't be surprising he wants a change winning it all there but perhaps the new deal is just not high enough. I guess he's on less than Ramos since 2019 and wants some kind of parity and even more so now he's going to be the main defender.
Especially since Maguire is most comfortable on the left side of the defensive pair. Either Varane or Kounde are natural fits for the other side.
Feel like his future will be sorted before the euros whether that's staying at Madrid or joining PSG/Utd/Chelsea
The worry here is that it's a monetary reason for not accepting a new deal. Of course it could be 100 other factors, though.
It was reported that he was thinking about leaving because he wanted a change of scenery. He has been at Madrid for 10 years now. I don't know how true it is but that's what has been reported in France for a long time.
That would be fair enough, it's easy to forget they are human after all.
Except CBs often don't stay in the centre when teams are in possession and their stronger foot changes the angles and trajectory of the passes available to them, as well as how their opponents are likely to press them.
It's something Guardiola has previously cited when talking about the difference Laporte makes when he plays, for example:
Obviously it's not the be all and end all, as they have adjusted to play with two right-footed CBs, as many teams do. But the idea that it makes literally zero difference for a side playing out from the back is just plain wrong.
And that's why they've been trying to sign Varane to a new contract for the last year or so...
I think so too. Madrid will probably make one last offer at the end of the season and if he still rejects then they will try to sell him asap. No way Perez lets him walk for nothing.
@carvajal @giorno This may be bit of an odd question but how is he physically?
He's been playing since very young and is someone, who had physical attributes as outstanding qualities. Has injuries affected this? Is he someone, you could say can go 'beast mode' and shut down an attacker nowadays?
The only thing I'm weary of is does he still have that fire mentally and physically inside him.
I guess an exaggerated example is when I look at Boateng and am glad we didn't buy him off Bayern a few years ago when he was in a clear decline.
He's been playing since very young and is someone, who had physical attributes as outstanding qualities. Has injuries affected this? Is he someone, you could say can go 'beast mode' and shut down an attacker nowadays?
The only thing I'm weary of is does he still have that fire mentally and physically inside him.
I guess an exaggerated example is when I look at Boateng and am glad we didn't buy him off Bayern a few years ago when he was in a clear decline.
How is he only 28? Feels like he has been around forever. And why is he not accepting Madrid’s offer to sign a new contract?
Lack of physicality is one of his biggest and frankly most bizarre flaws, considering his physical tools
He's weirdly passive, and not nearly as good in duels as he should be
The other big flaw is the tendency to clear the ball straight to an opponent
Whatever floats your boat.
long time ago, i remember Héctor Cúper, who managed Valencia & Inter, he utilized a flat 4-4-2 formation, his LB, LCB, LCM, LM and LCF were always left footed, all of his left sided players in his preferred formation were left footed, that's how he wanted it, very weird if i must say.
All things being equal, you can argue a left footed CB might be preferred to a right footed player - but given only 10% of the population are lefties, it’s always unlikely.
This has often been my issue with him and why throwing him next to say a Lindelof or Bailly if Maguire was out may not fix much for us.
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