Reserves Draft | green_smiley 10-9 mazhar13 & Marty1968
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A fantastic game: already 21 goals
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I didn't create it so dunno mateIt was public initially. I recall seeing Eboue, Muffled Funk etc voting for green_smiley but then it suddenly became closed
I recommend resetting the polls. This is absurd to continue.
I appreciate your vote.
Probably 15 new voters in a period of 45 minutes: impressive
Dutch-German connectionI appreciate your vote.
Well, my lunch period is over. I'll see you guys in 5 hours.
This is all I can do.
Hmmm, perhaps @Rado_N can help out with the resetting of the poll? Would be much appreciated.
I've reset it but it still won't let me make it public.
8 votes since the restart
13 now 
wtf is happening?
You just can't keep green smiley down!
wtf is happening?You just can't keep green smiley down!
Is that unusual?
In the last games: average of 13 votes per game in 24 hours
Here 13 votes in 13 minutes
Weird, maybe they're just getting popular.
I guess caf's community finally decided to put an end to our games
Seems to be a bug of some kind. Still can't see who voted, which should indicate that it's not working properly (as per Aldo's statement).
Would be harsh given our recent attempts to operate more discretely.
Seriously, though - something ain't right technically, can't be.
This is very very odd.
Maybe this thread is rekt.. Could some of you guys vote here please:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/draft-test.416754/
Let's see if it's a Redcafe wide bug.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/draft-test.416754/
Let's see if it's a Redcafe wide bug.
wow, wtf is going on around here
Alright, so that one worked out ok from a voter visibility standpoint:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/draft-test.416754/
Maybe this match should be restarted.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/draft-test.416754/
Maybe this match should be restarted.
Nah, forget about it. I'm not destined to win this one way or another. I forfeit the game to @green_smiley.
@Aldo chalk this off as a win for GS. I think I'll take a break from drafting for now. I've struggled to keep up since I got my first job two months ago.
Seems to be OK now. I've just test voted to GS and seem to be all right.
@mazhar13
Congrats for the job. The recruitment process (time-consuming) is closed. You write-up is done.
So you can stay in and you don't need to post 35 posts for a game like the guy who had a dutch theme.
Congrats for the job. The recruitment process (time-consuming) is closed. You write-up is done.
So you can stay in and you don't need to post 35 posts for a game like the guy who had a dutch theme.
WTF has happened here?
Okay, I see that things are back to normal here, so let's get back to business.
Regarding Szymaniak, he was always a defensively dependable player throughout his career. He wasn't some attacking midfielder being played more defensively; he always showed a strong defensive nous that made him a key figure for both Karlsruher and Wuppertaler. Just because he had a good couple of seasons with Catania as an inside forward doesn't discount his excellent defensive ability and astute positioning as a left half back. He was famous for his slide tackling! If that doesn't say anything about his defensive ability, then I don't know what will.
Regarding the 4-2-4 setup that GS has employed, he cannot, CANNOT afford to have someone like di Bartolomei in that midfield role. Every 2-man midfield had players who were energetic and able to cover lots of ground. di Bartolomei was NEVER a player who covered lots of ground; in fact, he had other players provide the mobility and energy in the midfield. Against our energetic, mobile midfield 3, I struggle to see how Benetti can hold our midfielders on his own. di Bartolomei needs another energetic midfielder to bring the best out of him in this game; this current setup fails to do that, and this will allow us even more control over the match.
Regarding Bene and Corso, yes, they are still very capable players out wide, no denying that. However, they are facing full backs who were comfortable with those sort of players who could drift inside and outside. Both Carboni and Tassotti were comfortable defending against such players who would drift out wide and then take on their markers or make runs inside. Both had the tactical awareness and defensive nous to read the attacking players' movements and cover the runs accordingly. Both were really tough to beat, and I struggle to see how Corso and Bene will have joy against our full backs. Carboni maintained his pace and energy levels well into his 30's, and Bene will struggle to outpace him. Both will honestly have a tough time having a strong influence over the game, which is something you can't say about Causio and Skoglund.
Benarrivo, I rate as a full back. However, Causio demonstrated great close control in his dribbling, and his movement will keep Benarrivo tested and prevent him from pushing up and supporting attacks on the left side. On our left side, Skoglund will have joy against Jorginho, who was never known for being defensively reliable like Tassotti and Carboni are (he was eventually replaced by a more defensively solid right back in his 3rd season there). Skoglund even gave Djalma Santos a tough time in the 1958 World Cup final with his movement, guile, and creativity. Skoglund doesn't need to just take on his marker to cause havoc; he can drift all around in the free role that's best suited for him and cause trouble to the opposition whilst dovetailing perfectly with his teammates here.
That's strange of you to say given that he was always a box-to-box midfielder. Sure, the formation papers may have showed him playing higher up the pitch at times, but he always dropped into the midfield to get on the ball and dictate the game, moving back and forth, covering the full vertical length of the pitch. He was never just an attacking midfielder; he was always a box-to-box midfielder in his career, and just because he appears to be deeper in our formation graphic doesn't mean that he's a defensive midfielder. If you look at our tactical set-up summary, our fluid setup should help get the best out of him, particularly with Auge in the team, who can push up and allow Overath more freedom in his attacking game going forward. (Gifs to come soon)
Regarding Szymaniak, he was always a defensively dependable player throughout his career. He wasn't some attacking midfielder being played more defensively; he always showed a strong defensive nous that made him a key figure for both Karlsruher and Wuppertaler. Just because he had a good couple of seasons with Catania as an inside forward doesn't discount his excellent defensive ability and astute positioning as a left half back. He was famous for his slide tackling! If that doesn't say anything about his defensive ability, then I don't know what will.
Regarding the 4-2-4 setup that GS has employed, he cannot, CANNOT afford to have someone like di Bartolomei in that midfield role. Every 2-man midfield had players who were energetic and able to cover lots of ground. di Bartolomei was NEVER a player who covered lots of ground; in fact, he had other players provide the mobility and energy in the midfield. Against our energetic, mobile midfield 3, I struggle to see how Benetti can hold our midfielders on his own. di Bartolomei needs another energetic midfielder to bring the best out of him in this game; this current setup fails to do that, and this will allow us even more control over the match.
Regarding Bene and Corso, yes, they are still very capable players out wide, no denying that. However, they are facing full backs who were comfortable with those sort of players who could drift inside and outside. Both Carboni and Tassotti were comfortable defending against such players who would drift out wide and then take on their markers or make runs inside. Both had the tactical awareness and defensive nous to read the attacking players' movements and cover the runs accordingly. Both were really tough to beat, and I struggle to see how Corso and Bene will have joy against our full backs. Carboni maintained his pace and energy levels well into his 30's, and Bene will struggle to outpace him. Both will honestly have a tough time having a strong influence over the game, which is something you can't say about Causio and Skoglund.
Benarrivo, I rate as a full back. However, Causio demonstrated great close control in his dribbling, and his movement will keep Benarrivo tested and prevent him from pushing up and supporting attacks on the left side. On our left side, Skoglund will have joy against Jorginho, who was never known for being defensively reliable like Tassotti and Carboni are (he was eventually replaced by a more defensively solid right back in his 3rd season there). Skoglund even gave Djalma Santos a tough time in the 1958 World Cup final with his movement, guile, and creativity. Skoglund doesn't need to just take on his marker to cause havoc; he can drift all around in the free role that's best suited for him and cause trouble to the opposition whilst dovetailing perfectly with his teammates here.
Look at this GIF and observe Overath's positioning in this:
This is Overath on the right side of central midfield, exactly where he's playing for us. Look at the perfect pass, and imagine Auge making the forward run instead of Schulz here.
For any concerns about Overath's weak foot, here's a picture-perfect through pass with his weaker right foot. And he won't be at his best on the right side?
Finally, my midfield dynamics being well-demonstrated here. In a fluid setup, there will be interchanging of positions and fluidity all around. Haller here shows that he's no mug defensively, and the midfield rotation is exactly what we will offer on the ball.
This is Overath on the right side of central midfield, exactly where he's playing for us. Look at the perfect pass, and imagine Auge making the forward run instead of Schulz here.
For any concerns about Overath's weak foot, here's a picture-perfect through pass with his weaker right foot. And he won't be at his best on the right side?
Finally, my midfield dynamics being well-demonstrated here. In a fluid setup, there will be interchanging of positions and fluidity all around. Haller here shows that he's no mug defensively, and the midfield rotation is exactly what we will offer on the ball.
And now, time for a couple of good Skoglund demonstrations:
Streamable - another fantastic tool
Definitely. I find it better than GIF's because you can actually have the sound in there as well as have some nice pause-and-play and rewinding action!Streamable - another fantastic tool
Ferenc Bene
Described as "fast, direct, skillful winger with a great scoring record, a true star in 1966" (Mammoth Book of the World Cup)
Hungary's 2nd goal in win against Brazil 3-1 at 1966 World Cup
Described as "fast, direct, skillful winger with a great scoring record, a true star in 1966" (Mammoth Book of the World Cup)
Hungary's 2nd goal in win against Brazil 3-1 at 1966 World Cup
Ottawa Citizen said:
Ferenc Bene scoring Hungary's first goal at the same game
Mario Corso
Gazzetta World said:
I've already talked about (and showed) how my midfield can play in a fluid attacking setup, dragging the opposition around with their movement and intelligent proactive approach. I will also mention how our wingers play a key role in our fluid, flexible attacking setup.
Franco Causio was not only just a flair player with an immaculate control of the ball as well as a great crossing ability, he was also hardworking and intelligent, a perfect foil for the zona mista system that Juve employed that made them a joy to watch as well as a tough nut to crack. Here, Causio will interchange seamlessly with Haller, drifting inside and combining with Skoglund, Crespo, and others. On the right, he'll be the perfect partner for Tassotti, who himself was amazing defensively and going forward, and with Causio on the right side, there's no way GS's left side can ever dominate ours.
Watch his amazing close control, skill, and deliveries with the ball.
Regarding Skoglund, he may have had drinking problems, but like Bestie, he was a genius on the ball who bamboozled whoever he faced. His movement and expressionism made him tough to contain and difficult to handle, making him one of the best, if not the best, left winger around during the 1950's.
Franco Causio was not only just a flair player with an immaculate control of the ball as well as a great crossing ability, he was also hardworking and intelligent, a perfect foil for the zona mista system that Juve employed that made them a joy to watch as well as a tough nut to crack. Here, Causio will interchange seamlessly with Haller, drifting inside and combining with Skoglund, Crespo, and others. On the right, he'll be the perfect partner for Tassotti, who himself was amazing defensively and going forward, and with Causio on the right side, there's no way GS's left side can ever dominate ours.
Watch his amazing close control, skill, and deliveries with the ball.
Regarding Skoglund, he may have had drinking problems, but like Bestie, he was a genius on the ball who bamboozled whoever he faced. His movement and expressionism made him tough to contain and difficult to handle, making him one of the best, if not the best, left winger around during the 1950's.
Dixie Dean
source: evertonfc.com
Arguably the greatest goalscorer ever to grace the English game, undeniably the greatest Everton player of all-time, William Ralph Dean's name was the first installed in the Millennium Giants roster when the original Everton Giants listed was formulated in 1999.
His selection provoked the least debate. The only argument concerning a man whose achievements spanned two decades was, in what period? He scored 164 of his 383 Everton goals in the 20s. (This tally includes six Charity Shield strikes, not included in some record books).
In the 1930s he captained the club to an unprecedented treble of Second Division, First Division and FA Cup triumphs.
But the achievement for which he is best remembered is the individual goalscoring record of 60 League goals in a single season - a record set in 1928 and never beaten since.
For that reason Dean was selected in the decade in which his unparalleled powers first emerged - and peaked.
Signed from Tranmere Rovers for £3,000 in 1925, he scored 32 League goals in his first full season as an Evertonian.
That was just six goals short of the then League record of 38, held by another former Everton centre-forward, Bert Freeman.
But his chances of eventually overtaking the record were severely doubted during the summer of 1926. Indeed his ability to play football ever again was questioned, following a motorcycle accident in which his skull and jaw were fractured.
Thomas Keates' Jubilee History of Everton Football Club recorded: "Doctors were afraid he could not live for many hours.
"His survival astonished them. When recovery was assured the medical pronouncement was 'This man will never be able to play football again.' "Play again he did, to such startling affect that romantic tales began to surround his spell in hospital.
Quick, sharp and intelligent in his centre-forward play, his greatest quality was undoubtedly his astonishing aerial ability. "Ordinary players butt the ball with the crown of their heads," wrote a contemporary report. "Dean artistically glides it downwards with the side of his head.
"In this respect he excels every other famous centre-forward."
The stories, of course, were nonsensical, but indicate the aura which surrounded the man. Such was his success that envious contemporaries began to suggest that surgeons had left a steel plate in his skull following his life-saving surgery.
His record breaking season of 1927-28, when Everton claimed the League Championship, was a Roy of the Rovers style saga. Dean scored in each of the first nine matches of the season - including all five in a 5-2 home defeat of Manchester United.
By Christmas he was halfway to his target. Goals 41, 42 and 43 came at Anfield in a 3-3 draw, but then a four game drought when nobody in an Everton jersey scored seemed to put the brakes on the record-charge. With nine matches remaining, Dean needed 17 goals for the record - a seemingly impossible target.
But after doubles against Derby, Blackburn, Sheffield United and Aston Villa were netted, a sparkling four goal haul at Burnley put the record in sight again.
Worryingly Dean had to leave the Turf Moor pitch through injury and he was nursed diligently through the next seven days by trainer Harry Cook.
He was eventually declared fit for the final match of the season, at home to Herbert Chapman's legendary Arsenal side, but needed a hat-trick for the record.
The Gunners had the famous Charles Buchan playing his final match before retirement in their defence, eager to ensure Everton's young upstart didn't steal HIS show. It was, however, undeniably Dean's day.
"Five minutes from time we made up our minds that Dixie wasn't going to get the other goal we longed to see," wrote Thomas Keates. "Good heavens! While the thought was formulating, Troup (the electric tripper) sent a nice dropping shot in front of goal, the ball hung in the air, Dixie's magical head went for it and tipped it into the net.
"You talk about explosions, and loud applause; we have heard many explosions, and much applause in our long pilgrimage, but, believe us, we have never heard such a prolonged roar of thundering, congratulatory applause before as to that which ascended to heaven when Dixie broke the record." This was only the first significant achievement of Dean's long and successful playing career - but it is still the most memorable.
Everton were relegated for a single season in 1930-31, but Second Division defences were no match for a striker of Dean's talents. During the promotion campaign he scored more goals than matches he actually played in!
He captained Everton to a further title success in 1932, scoring another astonishing 45 League goals in 38 games, then in 1933 he led Everton to FA Cup glory at Wembley.
Typically, he scored in every round except the semi-final - and with shirt numbering introduced for the first time at Wembley to aid radio listeners, became the first Everton number nine.
He continued to score regularly throughout his career.
Revered for his sportsmanship as well as his burgeoning talent, he was never once booked or dismissed - despite the kind of provocation which once saw him lose a testicle in a match.
For a man whose life was linked so indeliby with Everton Football Club, it was fitting that he died at Goodison Park in March 1980, minutes after the final whistle of a derby match.
source: evertonfc.com
Arguably the greatest goalscorer ever to grace the English game, undeniably the greatest Everton player of all-time, William Ralph Dean's name was the first installed in the Millennium Giants roster when the original Everton Giants listed was formulated in 1999.
His selection provoked the least debate. The only argument concerning a man whose achievements spanned two decades was, in what period? He scored 164 of his 383 Everton goals in the 20s. (This tally includes six Charity Shield strikes, not included in some record books).
In the 1930s he captained the club to an unprecedented treble of Second Division, First Division and FA Cup triumphs.
But the achievement for which he is best remembered is the individual goalscoring record of 60 League goals in a single season - a record set in 1928 and never beaten since.
For that reason Dean was selected in the decade in which his unparalleled powers first emerged - and peaked.
Signed from Tranmere Rovers for £3,000 in 1925, he scored 32 League goals in his first full season as an Evertonian.
That was just six goals short of the then League record of 38, held by another former Everton centre-forward, Bert Freeman.
But his chances of eventually overtaking the record were severely doubted during the summer of 1926. Indeed his ability to play football ever again was questioned, following a motorcycle accident in which his skull and jaw were fractured.
Thomas Keates' Jubilee History of Everton Football Club recorded: "Doctors were afraid he could not live for many hours.
"His survival astonished them. When recovery was assured the medical pronouncement was 'This man will never be able to play football again.' "Play again he did, to such startling affect that romantic tales began to surround his spell in hospital.
Quick, sharp and intelligent in his centre-forward play, his greatest quality was undoubtedly his astonishing aerial ability. "Ordinary players butt the ball with the crown of their heads," wrote a contemporary report. "Dean artistically glides it downwards with the side of his head.
"In this respect he excels every other famous centre-forward."
The stories, of course, were nonsensical, but indicate the aura which surrounded the man. Such was his success that envious contemporaries began to suggest that surgeons had left a steel plate in his skull following his life-saving surgery.
His record breaking season of 1927-28, when Everton claimed the League Championship, was a Roy of the Rovers style saga. Dean scored in each of the first nine matches of the season - including all five in a 5-2 home defeat of Manchester United.
By Christmas he was halfway to his target. Goals 41, 42 and 43 came at Anfield in a 3-3 draw, but then a four game drought when nobody in an Everton jersey scored seemed to put the brakes on the record-charge. With nine matches remaining, Dean needed 17 goals for the record - a seemingly impossible target.
But after doubles against Derby, Blackburn, Sheffield United and Aston Villa were netted, a sparkling four goal haul at Burnley put the record in sight again.
Worryingly Dean had to leave the Turf Moor pitch through injury and he was nursed diligently through the next seven days by trainer Harry Cook.
He was eventually declared fit for the final match of the season, at home to Herbert Chapman's legendary Arsenal side, but needed a hat-trick for the record.
The Gunners had the famous Charles Buchan playing his final match before retirement in their defence, eager to ensure Everton's young upstart didn't steal HIS show. It was, however, undeniably Dean's day.
"Five minutes from time we made up our minds that Dixie wasn't going to get the other goal we longed to see," wrote Thomas Keates. "Good heavens! While the thought was formulating, Troup (the electric tripper) sent a nice dropping shot in front of goal, the ball hung in the air, Dixie's magical head went for it and tipped it into the net.
"You talk about explosions, and loud applause; we have heard many explosions, and much applause in our long pilgrimage, but, believe us, we have never heard such a prolonged roar of thundering, congratulatory applause before as to that which ascended to heaven when Dixie broke the record." This was only the first significant achievement of Dean's long and successful playing career - but it is still the most memorable.
Everton were relegated for a single season in 1930-31, but Second Division defences were no match for a striker of Dean's talents. During the promotion campaign he scored more goals than matches he actually played in!
He captained Everton to a further title success in 1932, scoring another astonishing 45 League goals in 38 games, then in 1933 he led Everton to FA Cup glory at Wembley.
Typically, he scored in every round except the semi-final - and with shirt numbering introduced for the first time at Wembley to aid radio listeners, became the first Everton number nine.
He continued to score regularly throughout his career.
Revered for his sportsmanship as well as his burgeoning talent, he was never once booked or dismissed - despite the kind of provocation which once saw him lose a testicle in a match.
For a man whose life was linked so indeliby with Everton Football Club, it was fitting that he died at Goodison Park in March 1980, minutes after the final whistle of a derby match.