Is that right? I guess United should avoid Neves then if lysglimt from the cafe doesnt rate him
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How can you lot be so critical of a CM signing? Would you rather we get none and play McFred all season ?
So just sign anyone then? We should just be grateful for any CM we're linked to just because?
If its a proven PL midfielder on a relative cheap price that offers something different, yeah I think so. Hows the better alternative not buying any at all?
Better to get the right player, over yet another compromised signing, who just doesn’t look mobile/ good enough to play with Bruno and Pogba in a midfield.
Surely Pogba is off though.
Yeah next summer. Real can’t afford him, nor can PSG or Juve, so where’s he going to be sold?
He doesn’t have to be as long as his positioning is good. He can thread the ball between the lines which is what we desperately need instead of going long all the time. We don’t need a box to box DM
He'll go to PSG, they have a huge squad, they can trim it down and raise the funds no problemo.
What? PSG are reportedly ready to offer around €50m for him but he wants to hold on for Madrid next summer (on a free)
And they reportedly need to sell first
Nobody is good enough to consistently play with Bruno and Pogba in midfield. We need to stop looking for that mythical player and start building a proper midfield balance. I'm not necessarily saying Neves is the right player towards that, but I do believe he is the right type of player.
Very good player would improve us a lot.
Why is the lower number better for attempted tackles?
Its how many minutes between tackles i think?
Sorry yes that makes more sense. I was reading the stats as per match but it's minutes per as you say.
Most of those numbers are 'average time between'. It's an absolutely hideous table @RedSky
Says PM for per minute but it's actually given in minutes per.
I dont see him as DM. For me he is CM. His passing is excelent, world class. Not sure about other skills.
Is all this talk because of a TalkSport article?
Neves is miles better on the ball than all of those players which is more important for what we require.
What exactly are these stats showing?
United generally have more possession than Wolves and so comparing a midfielder for Wolves to one at United is slightly misleading without context.
For example, the lack of possession that Wolves consistently had last season would lead to more tackles for the likes of Neves over McT for example (I choose McT as Neves would no doubt play in a position similar to McT.)
Difference of 30 Attempted Tackles between the two clubs. Neves with 15% of Wolves Attempted Tackles (138 from 923). Fred had 141 from 892, 16% of Uniteds total.
It's very little difference. You can make more direct comparisons if you're that inclined by simply having a club ratio compared to the highest club. It's what I generally do but assumed it would go over the head of people in here as it's pretty complex.
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I should have used multicoloured fonts with italics and then you'd probably enjoyed it.Most of those numbers are 'average time between'. It's an absolutely hideous table @RedSky
Says PM for per minute but it's actually given in minutes per.
But yeah, didn't catch the miutes per mistake. Clearly I don't like MP abbreviations.
Interesting to note that both Wolves CMs are in the top 18 of tackles won last season...only Fred and AWB are in from United.
Further supporting my point that without context these comparisons are a little trite.
Also interesting to note there's three Wolves players in there too.
Also note that the top tacklers are from three clubs that play either aggressive pressing football or counter attacking football, Leeds, Brighton and Spurs.
Again, context is key.
Neves is a good player, I'd be happy with him but feel it would be the wrong player for us.
Fred leads the way on all of the clubs you mention. This for the record incorporates all of the top 5 leagues in Europe. Matic, Uniteds next highest played DM/CM fails to make this list as he had only played 1036mins and therefore doesn't make the minimum 40% playing time. This list is just what Whoscored deems as DM and CM's.
Rank | Player | Club | Age | Total Mins | Tackle Success % | MP Tackle Attempt | MP Successful Tackle |
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22nd | Fred | Manchester United | 28 | 2276 | 58.6% | 17.1 | 29.2 |
23rd | Yves Bissouma | Brighton | 24 | 3087 | 75.4% | 22.4 | 29.7 |
27th | Rúben Neves | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 24 | 2611 | 63.7% | 19.3 | 30.4 |
38th | Kalvin Phillips | Leeds | 25 | 2340 | 67.0% | 22.1 | 33.0 |
48th | João Moutinho | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 34 | 2435 | 56.5% | 19.6 | 34.8 |
49th | Pierre-Emile Højbjerg | Tottenham | 25 | 3420 | 56.6% | 19.8 | 34.9 |
99th | Scott McTominay | Manchester United | 24 | 2047 | 78.7% | 33.6 | 42.6 |
152nd | Pascal Groß | Brighton | 30 | 1620 | 60.8% | 31.8 | 52.3 |
157th | Stuart Dallas | Leeds | 30 | 1800 | 52.3% | 27.7 | 52.9 |
163rd | Leander Dendoncker | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 26 | 1896 | 61.4% | 33.3 | 54.2 |
202nd | Mateusz Klich | Leeds | 31 | 1978 | 37.1% | 28.3 | 76.1 |
This Bissouma guys sure looks good hm?
I'm going by official premiership stats of actual tackles made, successful tackles per 90.
Your metric is tackles per minutes from what I can make out, which can be misleading, a player could play 5 minutes at the end of a game whereby they are defending a one goal lead and make three tackles in that small passage of time. That's happened frequently to Wolves last season.
Compare that to McT, who again I choose as I feel that's whose place Neves would take at United in the current set up, And McT will lag behind due to playing in a team that often chases a game and dominates possession, leaving the majority of defensive midfield duties to Fred.
. Again, context is key with any stats.
I think reading that wolves forum kind of sold me on the idea of Neves. They dont like the idea of selling him at all, they think 35m is crazy and they should get at least 50m. They seem to agree hes their best midfielder (all of which are very similar) and they expect him to be their captain in the next season or two if he stays.
Moutinho has definitely been better for them. He's a fan favourite at Wolves though which is probably skewing that opinion somewhat.
I ask again, is all this talk of us being interested in him based on nothing more than a TalkSport article?
I've seen nothing else to suggest we are even interested in him.
I've seen nothing else to suggest we are even interested in him.
probably was previously but hes 34 now
Yeah perhaps they mean he's now effectively their best midfielder due to Moutinho's age.
Similar to Rice in that he'd improve our team but would still feel like an underwhelming signing. For £35m though it's not a bad deal.
Reminds me of the Herrera of CAF.
Fab said somewhere we are interested somewhat or something abit vague
When we are playing on the front foot against low block teams, as a fantastic passer of the ball, he seems the kind of player you want to be on the pitch. By all means go with McFred if we foresee having to defend a lot against better teams.
Hopefully Leicester consider
What a weirdly defensive response.
Neves short passing ability is not great, He can deliver good long balls and support counter attacking foorball, that might be the reason Ole is looking at him
Bissouma / Touchameni anyone ?
Bissouma / Touchameni anyone ?
Big no
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