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Fellaini covers those distances as well TBH.According to this, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic covers 11km per game on average. I think this idea that he isn't mobile could well be a myth.
Fellaini covers those distances as well TBH.According to this, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic covers 11km per game on average. I think this idea that he isn't mobile could well be a myth.
Vidal is a world class player which neither these two are yet to be fair.Vidal stats are comfortably superior to them both, and he is having a "relatively" slow season.
I am more surprised how people think he's similar to Pogba though. Pogba is more complete can control midfield and knows how to pass as a deeper midfielder and central midfielder.Thought he was nothing like Hamsik but I only saw highlights so will say no more.
We may have different understanding of what "mobility" and "quick feet" means. David Silva got quick feet, but he is not a speed merchant. It is not easy to get past Silva because of this. Herrera is imo the most mobile cm we got, but he is not of the required quality unfortunately. Pogba got great top speed, in fact his top speed is the same as Sanchez, but he lacks acceleration, therefore I would not categorysize him as having quick feet. Savic is similar in that sense. I do think our midfield is stronger with Savic instead of Herrera in a 4-3-3, but we are in more need of a player like Seri, Keita or Vidal etc. Although these are not similar players they have the required mobility needed to complement our midfield.I mean, I think we could do with more of these attributes, but to use Pogba as an example of someone lacking quick feet and mobility couldn't be more wrong. In fact, I struggle to think of a quicker-footed or more mobile central midfielder. Do you think this just because he is also tall and strong?
I'm sure he has said we may need 2 CMs in the summer. He said we need to replace Carrick and we also need another CM anyway. Seems to me the playmakers replace Carrick.We have been linked recently to Seri, Weigl and Jorginho. All are playmakers, and all are vastly different players to Milinkovic-Savic.
I think Mourinho has looked at Milinkovic-Savic and has decided that although he is a very good player, he is not the profile of central midfielder Mourinho is looking for.
Pereira is the second CM.I'm sure he has said we may need 2 CMs in the summer. He said we need to replace Carrick and we also need another CM anyway. Seems to me the playmakers replace Carrick.
Thats not to say we sign SMS, btw, but it makes sense we would have 2 profiles of CMs
I don't see Pereira coming back at all. And don't think he wants too either.Pereira is the second CM.
He hasn't even played centre mid for Valencia what makes you think he will play there for us. I think he will go on loan again next season this time in the premier league.Pereira is the second CM.
Please tell me the last time a United player has gone out on loan for 3 years in a row and made it here. He needs to come back to United next season or he's goneHe hasn't even played centre mid for Valencia what makes you think he will play there for us. I think he will go on loan again next season this time in the premier league.
If he's gone so be it, put a buy back clause on him and let him continue developing. He isn't ready to play centre mid for us and i don't think we have squad space for him at the moment. If he makes the jump we can always bring him back just like barca do.Please tell me the last time a United player has gone out on loan for 3 years in a row and made it here. He needs to come back to United next season or he's gone
true, but also put into context the "kid" has a contract until 2019, option to 2020 (so basically 2 more years). If we loan him out next season and he hasn't been at the club for 3 years in a row we're pretty lost with regards to Andreas mateIf he's gone so be it, put a buy back clause on him and let him continue developing. He isn't ready to play centre mid for us and i don't think we have squad space for him at the moment. If he makes the jump we can always bring him back just like barca do.
Not sure that transfer rumours are 100% indicative of what Jose is thinking. He also likes physical monsters, Savic ticks that box. Can you imagine a midfield of Matic, Pogba and Savic. All good on the ball, two of them very young.We have been linked recently to Seri, Weigl and Jorginho. All are playmakers, and all are vastly different players to Milinkovic-Savic.
I think Mourinho has looked at Milinkovic-Savic and has decided that although he is a very good player, he is not the profile of central midfielder Mourinho is looking for.
Pure power midfield.Not sure that transfer rumours are 100% indicative of what Jose is thinking. He also likes physical monsters, Savic ticks that box. Can you imagine a midfield of Matic, Pogba and Savic. All good on the ball, two of them very young.
We got Matic to play that role. We need someone like him so Pogba can be freed up to go forward and do damage and not worry too much on the defensive side of things.Just another midfielder who is better offensively than defensively. He is better than Pogba defensively, but not a natural in that regard. His instincts are going forward and i wouldnt bet on him making us much better in the current setup, not for the money anyway
Putting Pogba in a midfield two with Matic is suicide in the big games due to Matic not having the legs to cover Pogba. Someone like Matuidi would be much more effective.Matic needs help as much as Pogba does, the CM we need has to be able to help with both sides of the game, slotting between the 2 of them in midfield, Savic is just as bad if not worse than Pogba defensively.
We definitely need more ground coverage in the midfield, but I think we need someone with more on the ball than Matuidi, someone in the mold of Modric or Thiago.Putting Pogba in a midfield two with Matic is suicide in the big games due to Matic not having the legs to cover Pogba. Someone like Matuidi would be much more effective.
Kante is box to box midfielder and midfield 3 of Matic, Pogba and Kante would again be devoid of controlling Midfielder and be too reliant on Pogba for any creativity rather add Jorginho with another youngish well rounded midfielder for better balance and control.We need a midfield destroyer like Kante and a box to box midfielder imo.
What United are essentially looking for is someone who covers a lot of ground but is also good on the ball.Kante is box to box midfielder and midfield 3 of Matic, Pogba and Kante would again be devoid of controlling Midfielder and be too reliant on Pogba for any creativity rather add Jorginho with another youngish well rounded midfielder for better balance and control.
We definitely need more ground coverage in the midfield, but I think we need someone with more on the ball than Matuidi, someone in the mold of Modric or Thiago.
Yep definitely this. Need someone who can control games for us, pick the ball up off the defence, spray passes around, feed the attackers like pogba in more advanced positions, while pogba plays as the 3rd midfielder with freedom rather then being asked to dominate the midfield, since he can't do that.What United are essentially looking for is someone who covers a lot of ground but is also good on the ball.
I think of players like Kovacic or Thiago.
Thiago is unattainable may be Kovacic could be prised out of Madrid but hasn't his progress stalled due lack of playing time otherwise we could take a chance on likes Barella or Pellegrini from Italy and hope they work out.What United are essentially looking for is someone who covers a lot of ground but is also good on the ball.
I think of players like Kovacic or Thiago.
Vidal is 31 in the summer - SMS isn't. That is my main reason for not wanting VidalVidal is a world class player which neither these two are yet to be fair.
I'm not necessarily saying it should be Matuidi but if we can't get the players you mention then a mobile midfielder with good ground coverage should be considered as a squad option. Matuidi might be limited as a footballer but he would do a better job than Matic in a midfield two at least against the big teams.We definitely need more ground coverage in the midfield, but I think we need someone with more on the ball than Matuidi, someone in the mold of Modric or Thiago.
It will be very frustrated because we will never be able to build up play from the back with Matic, Matuidi, and our current centre back in XI.I'm not necessarily saying it should be Matuidi but if we can't get the players you mention then a mobile midfielder with good ground coverage should be considered as a squad option. Matuidi might be limited as a footballer but he would do a better job than Matic in a midfield two at least against the big teams.
Spurs had Dier in midfield against us who most would consider limited as a midfielder but he got the job done.It will be very frustrated because we will never be able to build up play from the back with Matic, Matuidi, and our current centre back in XI.
But they got Vertonghen as a ball playing centre back. We can't build up our play from the back since we can't pass the ball forward if we have Matic, Matuidi and our current centre back, they are too clueless with their passings. All we can rely on to build up our play from the back is de Gea.Spurs had Dier in midfield against us who most would consider limited as a midfielder but he got the job done.
All our midfielders are slow with the exception of Pogba. And it's been like that for many years. Having a squad option that gives us legs in midfield like Matuidi would be good especially in the big games.
We have Bailly and Lindelof that are good on the ball. Tuanzebe is better than Smalling and Jones on the ball too..But they got Vertonghen as a ball playing centre back. We can't build up our play from the back since we can't pass the ball forward if we have Matic, Matuidi and our current centre back, they are too clueless with their passings. All we can rely on to build up our play from the back is de Gea.
Fernandinho mk2 would be lovelyOut next midfielder needs to be able to offer a passing route for all four of our defenders. That's it. Someone who can receive the ball quickly from Smalling and move the ball on, pass, offer, receive etc etc.
Issue currently is we have is Matic who isn't suited to that and Pogba going deep to get the ball doesn't get the best from him.
Probably the ideal player is Fernandhino mk2
Good on the ball means nothing if they can't bring the ball forward with their passings, some footballer can control the ball very well but can't pass the ball. Example ball playing centre back, Rio Ferdinand, Ramos, Luiz, Vertonghen. Example deeper playmaker: Carrick, Alonso, Kroos, Pirlo.We have Bailly and Lindelof that are good on the ball.