Am I the only one who's seeing this as a glitch in the matrix?
Serie A 90's Draft FINAL - harms vs Moby/Pat_Mustard
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Does it really matter?
Calm down Chester Bennington.
I absolutely love Harms team... That midfield and attack is amazing. The opponent is a well thought out side that could score an early counter attack goal and fight for a 1-0 win but I see Harms team braking them down and winning 3-1 myself.
I would have probably voted for harms team as well. We gave it a shot but always knew it was a foregone conclusion.
I don't see how we could have fitted Nedved into the team on the right wing without shifting someone else out of position to balance out the lineup. We could have kept the same formation, put Nedved in Mancini's role, and Mancini as a striker instead of Chiesa, but I'm not sure that would have improved us.
Yeah, it sounds better when it's Lillian fecking Thuram doing that rather than Pasquale nutjob Bruno.
I thought Pat/Moby should have gone for Baggio. A bit more oomph in attack would have been helpful when the opposition is sporting Del Piero / Ronaldo.
Team Poby probably drafted the best team upfront but peaked early.
We considered van Basten.
Incredible defence that Pat and Moby have pulled together. My only tactical quibble is that I'm not completely sold on Almeyda/Veron/Mancini as a counter-attacking midfield unit.
Harms still has that left-sided flabbiness to the team, but the spine is unbeatable.
Harms still has that left-sided flabbiness to the team, but the spine is unbeatable.
Yeah that would work as well, probably prefer Baggio in that set up mind. Any reason for not considering Baggio?
Suppose there would be a fair amount of playmaking in the side with Mancini and Veron, but I think it would work well. I think it’s a more balanced from two even than Del Piero / Ronaldo.
It was spooky the way the game changed after half time
It was like Pat and Moby had spiked their lot's drinks
But not with rohypnol, no not a date rape crime,
More like they had given them all speed so methinks;
They came out like maniacs, fervent and frantic,
And Chiesa came close with two well-hit free kicks,
But sadly I think for the footy romantic,
They missed all their chances, the absolute dicks,
And when their pace wavered, the drug effect thinning,
Del Piero and Djorkaeff saw more of the ball,
And Davids and Rijkaard were properly winning
The battle in midfield, til at the end of it all,
Mancini looked knackered, and Veron was spent,
Del Piero hit a shot from way out, and the ball went...
...in! Fackinell! The Selfies have won it!
It's one in the eye for our Moby and Mustard,
It was the strength of the spine wot finally done it,
It's over, thank feck, all finally dusted.
Campione! Di Calcio! Italiano!
That's what harms is, and I must say, well done mate!
You've just won a visit to Rome or Milano,
Baggio's ponytail, cash, a commemorative plate!
To claim all your prizes, the whole kit and caboodle yeah,
Please send three hundred PMs to @noodlehair.
It was like Pat and Moby had spiked their lot's drinks
But not with rohypnol, no not a date rape crime,
More like they had given them all speed so methinks;
They came out like maniacs, fervent and frantic,
And Chiesa came close with two well-hit free kicks,
But sadly I think for the footy romantic,
They missed all their chances, the absolute dicks,
And when their pace wavered, the drug effect thinning,
Del Piero and Djorkaeff saw more of the ball,
And Davids and Rijkaard were properly winning
The battle in midfield, til at the end of it all,
Mancini looked knackered, and Veron was spent,
Del Piero hit a shot from way out, and the ball went...
...in! Fackinell! The Selfies have won it!
It's one in the eye for our Moby and Mustard,
It was the strength of the spine wot finally done it,
It's over, thank feck, all finally dusted.
Campione! Di Calcio! Italiano!
That's what harms is, and I must say, well done mate!
You've just won a visit to Rome or Milano,
Baggio's ponytail, cash, a commemorative plate!
To claim all your prizes, the whole kit and caboodle yeah,
Please send three hundred PMs to @noodlehair.
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If you are purely playing a deep-sitting defensive fullback you'd go for Montero. Carboni isn't a non-entity going forward and you 100% don't want him sitting deep. If you just hand over the entire flank for Cafú to build up a head of steam you are in big trouble.
I expect @harms to dominate the midfield and control the game, Carboni should at the very least be at the halfway line ready to pick up Cafú as soon as possession is lost.
Unlikely seeing as he wrote "scored and assisted"
Exactly!Unlikely seeing as he wrote "scored and assisted"
The meaning was lost in my bad translation, I'm afraidUnlikely seeing as he wrote "scored and assisted"
I'm probably alone on this but have always had a visceral dislike of draft teams sporting Batistuta as a solo frontman in 4-2-3-1. He was very much a front two player who scored loads but, far from being a poacher, always worked best with the right partner to play in tandem with. A bit like Shearer, you don't just stick him upfront alone and expect it to scream goals like an RvN does.Aye, I take your point (reluctantly) as Ronaldo was so uniquely great at surging forward from deep areas, but I just didn't want people getting the idea that either Batistuta or Chiesa were poachers, when they were both so capable of picking the ball up well outside the area and conjuring a goal out of nowhere.
Aye, we had a mammoth discussion about that very issue via PM. Fusi did offer an excellent balance and was particularly important in matches where we were looking to take the initiatve and play on the front foot. Marginally less so in a counter-attacking system, but we do lose some balance still. We just really needed another top class defender vs a Ronaldo-led attack though, and Maldini was the best of the lot. Thinking about it we really should have went for Rijkaard instead of Baresi in that fecking lamb reinforcement round, and now we end up facing both
I really liked the Mancini pick as I expected him to be that partner. Chiesa was a masterstroke in that he is a proven fit with both, but you have sacrificed having someone more "midfieldery" (which in turn made Verón a necessity, which then makes Fusi>Cannavaro as the midfield is overrun).
Personally I would have gone for Rui Costa behind Bati-Mancini and expected you to do so eventually. But then, you would indeed have needed Rijkaard or someone similar as you don't need Verón with Manuel.
It's odd, I love the front trio, the midfield duo and the defence you had in the SF but there's a sense of disconnect between the three which Fusi's benching in favour of a pure defender has exacerbated.
I voted for you against Gio because if Plan A didn't work you had options... what you've done is go down his path of having a single viable gameplan and, frankly, his side was better constructed for that purpose.
Nedved mainly played LM in 90s Serie A. Neither would work in my eyes.
I got the point. Started moves from deep all the way to the end whether his last action was scoring or assisting (the former more often).
Damn. Thought this would be closer.
Pat & Moby were one of my favourite teams when they drafted.
But got slightly unlucky with the re-inforcements as we decided to rekt each other and let Harms a freeway to victory.
Pat & Moby were one of my favourite teams when they drafted.
But got slightly unlucky with the re-inforcements as we decided to rekt each other and let Harms a freeway to victory.
Good to see so many votes, I’m used to it being 25 max
Yeah, this draft had been excellent in that regard.
Well drafted @harms.
Thanks for the draft @2mufc0
Good game @Moby @Pat_Mustard, really liked your side from the start, and Veron was a great addition. I feel that I need to tag everyone who failed that reinforcement round as a thank you though
Can't remember such a colossal collective fail in my draft career.
Good game @Moby @Pat_Mustard, really liked your side from the start, and Veron was a great addition. I feel that I need to tag everyone who failed that reinforcement round as a thank you though
Can't remember such a colossal collective fail in my draft career.
Congrats mate! Well-deserved victory as you had one of the best teams from the start and then upgraded brilliantly. I was actually quite happy after that infamous reinforcement round as we'd failed marginally less badly than the other teams, and the reality of having to face you eventually hadn't sank inThanks for the draft @2mufc0
Good game @Moby @Pat_Mustard, really liked your side from the start, and Veron was a great addition. I feel that I need to tag everyone who failed that reinforcement round as a thank you though
Can't remember such a colossal collective fail in my draft career.
.Aye, agreed. After we decided to go with the 3-4-1-2 in the initial drafting, Nedved was never even a consideration for us in the reinforcements.
I don't have a particular problem with Batistuta up front alone as he's got alot of attributes to play that role, but I do agree that there's certain strikers that really come into their own in a proper two man tandem, and it tends to get overlooked nowadays with the popularity of 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1.
Fully agree on the rest. There's not a single player in our line up who I thought was positively out place in a final based on their Serie A performances, but collectively we were lacking a little bit of absolute top-tier quality after reinforcement-gate. Fusi was our most 'upgradeable' player, but he'd ended up playing a vital role in knitting the team together, and it was too hard to replace that with just the one reinforcement. We discussed that alot in PM, and I pretty much lost my marbles for 12 hours or so trying to convince Moby that we should pick Matthaus and play him as a libero, never mind the fact that he had a short Serie A peak to begin with and hadn't actually played in that position yet
. He mercifully convinced me that it could work in an all-time draft but we'd be shredded for ignoring the draft theme here.The difficulty with dropping Chiesa and moving Mancini into his position was firstly that it's a tough call to reduce our goal threat by dropping Enrico who had that prolific peak, particularly with Batistuta's dodgy record against Baresi having already been highlighted. Secondly, the Veron pick basically got us through the match vs Gio/Theon, but it did limit our options a bit in subsequent reinforcements.
All in all though, I loved this team and it's been a brilliant draft. It's been a pleasure rewatching footage I've seen before and watching plenty of stuff for the first time, and particularly giving Mancini a rare (only?) good outing in the drafts. Cheers to @2mufc0 and his glamorous assistant @green_smiley for running everything so smoothly.
Cheers lads. That fecking reinforcement round was a killer for sure.
And he was absolutely right. The only viable Fusi upgrade I could see was Desailly in the inverse role (DM=>covering defender) but it lost the sense of a brickwall back three making him look a bit wasted as a Makelele for Djorkaeff. The formation looking like a makeshift diamond wouldn't help either.We discussed that alot in PM, and I pretty much lost my marbles for 12 hours or so trying to convince Moby that we should pick Matthaus and play him as a libero, never mind the fact that he had a short Serie A peak to begin with and hadn't actually played in that position yet
Yeah, I gathered that, your front trio needed Veron and, in turn, that made your midfield need Fusi. Did you not think about playing Maldini left? A bit of a luxury upgrade and a disservice to Di Chiara (nothing wrong with him) but it would have prevented your defence turning to all-out defence.
Fully deserved. Same with Almeyda, I couldn't believe my luck getting him late in the 70s draft but he had very little traction so ended up mainly bringing him on as sub in won games. Good to see him featuring throughout.
Aye, I had a moment of clarity and wondered what the feck I was thinking regarding Matthaus when Moby pointed out the insanity one last time
. Desailly was briefly discussed but dismissed because of that makeshift diamond concern. Our midfield options were Fusi, Almeyda, Veron and Platt, and no combination of them would have looked right in a diamond-ey formation graphic.It wasn't discussed tbh. I think voters would have decided he was wasted there with Fuser as his direct opponent. I see the advantages in terms of overall coherence as Fusi would have stayed in the team and could easily have pushed into midfield at times leaving a solid back four behind him, but I thought having two specialist wing backs was an advantage we had over harms and I was reluctant to lose that.
Yeah, it's one of the rare drafts that Almeyda will get some appreciation in. I saw plenty of Mancini when he was still playing but I've got a new appreciation for him having watched some of his older performances. His leadership especially stood out. He never really stopped yapping. Referees, opponents, teammates - they were all fair game
@Pat_Mustard you just reminded me you had Platt, not that he would get any credit, but I had a lot of time for his link with Mancini.
Heard the story about how he was tapping him up for years before joining Samp? It's quite funny in that it was clearly all Mancini's doing without the club/manager being in on it. Then during a transfer window Mancini as captain gets shown the list of targets and he suggests Platt gets added to it, while Platt already had his head turned before the club even had him in their list
That sort of thing marks him out as someone born to manage, as opposed to footballers just concerned with playing and suddenly wanting to be managers just because their legs are gone.
Heard the story about how he was tapping him up for years before joining Samp? It's quite funny in that it was clearly all Mancini's doing without the club/manager being in on it. Then during a transfer window Mancini as captain gets shown the list of targets and he suggests Platt gets added to it, while Platt already had his head turned before the club even had him in their list
That sort of thing marks him out as someone born to manage, as opposed to footballers just concerned with playing and suddenly wanting to be managers just because their legs are gone.
@Pat_Mustard you just reminded me you had Platt, not that he would get any credit, but I had a lot of time for his link with Mancini.
Heard the story about how he was tapping him up for years before joining Samp? It's quite funny in that it was clearly all Mancini's doing without the club/manager being in on it. Then during a transfer window Mancini as captain gets shown the list of targets and he suggests Platt gets added to it, while Platt already had his head turned before the club even had him in their list
That sort of thing marks him out as someone born to manage, as opposed to footballers just concerned with playing and suddenly wanting to be managers just because their legs are gone.
Yeah, we mentioned that story when we played Platt in our first round match.