Sheep Draft QF - Enigma vs. GSTQ/Brian Clough

With players playing at their career peak, who will win?


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Enigma Tactics

Formation:
4-2-3-1
Style:
Quick transitions. Recover the ball quickly, start counters and aim for the goal. Utilize the wings.

Player Profiles:
GK: Pat Jennings
- compete keeper. Commanding in the air and great reflexes.
LB: Jose Antonio Camacho - balanced full back.
RB: Djalma Santos - defensive full back.
CB: Elias Figueroa - ball playing complete defender, start attacks from the back.
CB: Sol Campbell - physical stopper.
DM/CM: Bastian Schweinsteiger - defensive holder. Protect the back four and link the defence with midfield.
CM/B2B: Michael Essien - defensive B2B. Keep things compact and simple with his passing game and link midfield and attack.
AM/Free role: Ronaldinho - advanced playmaker, free role.
LW: Raheem Sterling - left winger, add numbers to the midfield when we are off the ball.
RW: Garrincha - right winger, use his pace and trickery to create numerical advantage.
CF: Gabriel Batistuta - center forward. Pressure the defenders, first line of defence and put the ball in the net.

Defence: Compact defence bossed by Figueroa. Djalma will provide cover at the back and free Garrincha to do his thing.

Midfield: Schweinsteiger will act as a holder and launch quick counters looking for Ronaldinho or the wings, whilst providing protection for the back four. Essien in his peak Chelsea days will act as a defensive B2B, covering every blade of grass, but also keeping it simple in the middle with his quick and accurate short passing game.

Attack: Blend of creativity, trickery, pace and deadly finishing ability, the attach has it all with Joga Bonito oomph of Ronaldinho, Garrincha and Sterling providing the ammo for one of the best finishers in Batistuta.

Key Strengths: Garrincha and Djalma Santos is a proven combo and probably the best right flank in history. Ronaldinho in free role hovering between the lines would utilize the space between opposition defence and midfield. Sterling, Garrincha and Ronaldinho is a terrific platform for Batistuta to shine and will provide him a lot of chances. The defensive line is marshalled by one of the best defenders in history in Figueroa alongside a physical stopper in Campbell who is elite defender himself. Both full backs are one of the most outstanding markers and defensively sound full backs in the game. The team doesn't have a weak spot with the inclusion of Bastian Schweinsteiger. A midfield duo of Schweinsteiger and Essien can hold its own against pretty much every opposition whilst Sterling, although still young and a lot of his career ahead of him, has proven that he is one of the best wingers in the modern game.




GSTQ/Brian Clough Tactics

Assistant Manager on the bench:
Brian Clough

Managerial Inspiration : Jose Mourinho

Structural Inspiration : Chelsea 2005

1. The Charlton/Rossi/Monti midfield is more or less a like to like replacement for the Lampard/Essien/Makelele midfield.
2. Bratseth is a brilliant replacement for Carvalho alongside Terry.
3. Carlos Alberto a huge upgrade over Ferriera and of course Pearce is an upgrade over Bridge/Gallas



Tactical Inspiration : Inter Milan vs Barcelona (2010)

In Jose's own words -


Playing Style: Counter attacking

Defending Style : Zonal

Jose Mourinho said:
I don't like my teams to play man to man. We play zones. Messi was in Motta duels, Cambiasso duels, defender duels. It was team work.
GSTQ said:
I don't like my teams to play man to man. We play zones. Garrincha will be in Pearce duels, Charlton duels, Bratseth duels. Ronaldinho will be in Monti duels, Rossi duels, Carlos Alberto duels. It will be team work.
Why I think I should win your vote:

1. Well technically on paper, I probably shouldn't, just like Mourinho's Inter Milan shouldn't have won on paper against Barcelona. But games are not won on paper.
2. Aren't you bored of the same 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formations being churned out draft after draft without anything out of the box?
3. The winning setups of the last 4 drafts are great examples of well built creative setups. Lets keep that tradition going -
-> (i) Carre Magique (Back to Basics Draft)
-> (ii) WM (Road Trip Draft II)
-> (III) Zona Mista (Oasis Draft)
-> (iv) Sacchi's pressing Milan (Draft About Nothing)
3. Baggio as a false 9 adds something new and unique to the discussion. Something that is hardly ever tried here. Platini describes him best

Michel Platini said:
Roby is a great nine and a half - in the sense that he is not a pure 10, he is not a director and he is not even a 9 that is, an authentic striker.
4. With the wide forwards Blokhin and Hamrin ready to jump in centrally when Baggio drops deep , it has a very Liverpool-esque vibe to it with Firmino/Salah/Mane.
 
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A nice piece on the single upgrade of the team and I think it was a major one.

Have to say, revisiting some of his performances over the years for this particular draft has made me appreciate him a lot more and considering the pool for the reinforcements(and even in open pool), he was one of the best possible choices for upgrade on Dinu.



An ode to the generation's most underrated midfielder


Schweinsteiger was the architect of Germany's 2014 World Cup triumph
On the 13th of July, 2014, Germany and Argentina immersed themselves in one of the most tense FIFA World Cup finals ever. Deep into extra time, Mario Gotze popped up with a moment of magic to hand the Germans the lead in the 113th minute. Yet, one sensed that the Argentines had one final roll of the dice in store.

Subsequently, the Die Mannschaft looked towards heaven in inspiration, hoping for some divine intervention to enable them to see out the remainder of the game. Little did they know that their Guardian Angel was standing beside them, rather than somewhere intangible. After all, a certain Bastian Schweinsteiger had rolled up his sleeves.

Blood dripped down the midfielder’s face, his breathing reached exponential proportions yet, he stood there, in the face of adversity, like a rock, thwarting everything Argentina threw at the Germans.

A few minutes later, the Die Mannschaft triumphed and embraced each other jubilantly. Yet, none deserved that victory more than Schweinsteiger, who had lived through the Germans’ reputation as underachievers, overseen their offensive revolution and ultimately, led them to the summit of world football.

And, the bravery, courage, grit and skill the midfielder showcased on that evening in Rio de Janeiro embodied Schweinsteiger in a microcosm.

Over a career spanning nearly two decades, the former German skipper specialized in grabbing games by the scruff of the neck and tilting it his side’s way.


He spent an astounding 17 years at Bayern Munich, amassing 500 appearances across all competitions while he also laid his hands on the Bundesliga eight times, DFB Pokal Cup seven times, in addition to a solitary UEFA Champions League, UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup.

Through his span at the Bavarian giants, Schweinsteiger underwent a startling transformation from being a wide midfielder to a central midfielder capable of dictating the tempo of games.

Blessed with an indomitable spirit and equally unflappable temperament, he combined invention with industry on countless occasions, often leading his team’s charge with a string of defence-splitting passes or enabling his side to hold the fort, courtesy of his crunching tackles.

More importantly, though, Schweinsteiger was able to carve out a niche for himself as a box to box midfielder at a time when specialist attacking and defensive midfielders were in vogue.


The aforementioned change occurred through the early stages of the 21st century and continued well into the 2010s, before making a return a few years ago. Yet, the former Bayern Munich player refrained from altering his game to align himself with what was unfolding around him, rather backing his own strengths and eventually, etching himself into folklore.

And, though the German ended his tenure in Bavaria as one of the best to have ever donned the Bayern jersey, his journey wasn’t completely devoid of troughs.

Back in 2005, Schweinsteiger was relegated to the reserve team despite having shone for Germany in the Confederations Cup. Though he returned in a trice, that setback certainly wasn’t one the midfielder was expecting.

A few years later, in 2012, after powering Bayern Munich to the cusp of the UEFA Champions League crown, the German missed the decisive spot-kick against Chelsea in the final, a disappointment compounded by the encounter being played at the Allianz Arena.

Yet, he bounced back from that heartbreak to instantly capture Europe’s elite club competition a year later, a run that included a 7-0 mauling of Barcelona in the semi-final.

He stayed at Bayern for two more seasons before sealing a shocking switch to Manchester United, of all clubs. For the Red Devils, they intended the signing to signal that they still boasted the ability to attract high-profile footballers. Yet, that move failed to materialise as envisaged for both parties.

In the aftermath of the 2014 World Cup though, Schweinsteiger started showing signs of slowing down, albeit slightly. And, that particular aspect immensely dented the midfielder’s propensity to control matches, considering he earlier did so using a combination of energy and effervescent movement across the pitch.

Consequently, he started arriving in scoring positions a tad late or not at all, meaning that a major facet of his game was significantly hampered. Incidentally, his loss of form also dovetailed with the Red Devils’ spectacular fall from grace, thereby contributing to an unhappy time for all those involved.

And, while he got himself an FA Cup winner’s medal, that was hardly how Schweinsteiger would’ve hoped his last stint at a European superpower to transpire.

In 2017, Chicago Fire acquired the German’s services. At the MLS, the midfielder performed consistently and found himself in the MLS All-Star XI to face Real Madrid the same year. Apart from the above, he also scored several clutch goals, symbolising that although he had lost a bit of pace, he hadn’t been rid of the immeasurable class he possessed.

A couple of years later, on the 8th of October, 2019, Schweinsteiger announced that he would be hanging up his boots at the culmination of the current term, thereby bringing down the curtains on an illustrious career.

Through his sojourn as a professional footballer though, one might be forgiven to believe that the German was perhaps not given the requisite recognition, whether it be for his exploits with his nation or for Bayern.

Over the past few years, numerous midfielders have been decorated a lot more than Schweinsteiger, despite boasting an inferior trophy haul. Yet, that is a conversation one would do better to not indulge in at this juncture, especially when one of this generation’s greatest midfielders has bid adieu to the game.

And, though his time at Manchester United might have dwindled his sheen a shade, there’s no denying that Schweinsteiger competed in a short list to be termed the premier central midfielder across the globe, when in his prime.

After all, not many would be able to handle the pressure of a World Cup final, the sight of blood and heavy breathing to script a positive outcome, would they?


And some nice input from @Balu as resident German expert over his contribution at his peak.

I don't think I've ever wanted a player to win a trophy as much as I wanted Schweinsteiger to finish the World Cup with a brilliant performance winning the trophy in the end and he delivered like he did so many times in the past 5 years. The way he turned his career around from 2009 onwards is simply incredible and I haven't seen a player who has fought so much for his club and country while constantly being treated like shit by fans and media at home. Picked out as the scapegoat for every failed title win in the past 5 years and called past it every year, he showed up at a time when it counted the most, again.

3 years ago, Sportbild started the 'Chefchen Schweini' campaign and publicly humiliated him and pretty much never stopped. They ridiculed all his standout performances and questioned his leadership in a way that was shocking and I still can't believe that Bayern didn't ban that shit newspaper from all press conferences for a season. Even throughout this tournament, he was criticised for not talking to the media and his abilities as a leader were questioned again. Even after the treble winning season, he rarely got the credit he deserved. Less than two years ago, several former German greats and the media started another huge campaign with the main topic 'does Germany need Schweinsteiger anymore' and even sensible people like Günther Netzer publicly declared that he should be out of the team and the new generation around Gündogan has already surpassed him.

The treatment he received for the CL final in 2012 and the Euro 2012 was some of the worst I've ever read. Carrying an injury and not fully fit, he fought and never stopped running and pretty much no one publicly took his side, he was again ridiculed by the media and fans in German stadiums whistled and booed him when he played for the nationalteam. Yet, he stood up again. Pretty much cut the ties with the press and focused on the game, and improved even further leading Bayern to a treble with countless outstanding performances and now finally brought the World Cup title back to Germany. While he was more a quiet hero in the shadow in the first knockout games, keeping things ticking and giving his teammates the freedom to excel, he was always there to bail them out when necessary. I called him the one player in the team who can make everything work, the one player in the team reading the game, seeing where things go wrong and being smart enough to always get himself in a position to bail others out. He's just a perfect complete midfielder now.

In the past 6 years, he won a treble, 2 more domestic doubles, made it to two more CL finals, a Euro final, a Euro semifinal and a World Cup semifinal, yet he still was the face of the 'loser generation'. Again, what a player and what a warrior. He deserved to lift that World Cup more than anyone in the world, he made sure of it with this fecking awesome performance in the final.
and one more from the same thread:

Feel the need to write a few lines about him:

A few years back we had the tedious debate in Germany about the lack of characters in the national team. One of the most criticised players back then was Bastian Schweinsteiger. As a personal favourite of mine despite his status as an icon of a rival team, Schweinsteiger was never the loudest or most intimidating person on the pitch.

He is an undisputed top class midfielder with an extremely well rounded skill set, but he was not blessed with the biggest presence or was a natural leader like Neuer, Hummels or Müller. No, he grew into that role. Fought his way into this role. Earned this role, which might be even more impressive in my book. From "Schweini" over Mr. Schweinsteiger to the boss of the national team.

While Manuel Neuer was our best player throughout the tournament, Jerome Boateng the best performer in the final and Mario Götze the scorer of the deciding goal, nobody will be remembered by me for this tournament as much as Bastian Schweinsteiger.

This final against Argentina was like the story of his career. This man had taken so many blows both physically (several severe injuries) and psychologically (e.g. lost CL final 2012 at home, treatment by the German Press), but stood up every time and kept on going, dragging his abused body over the pitch for an astounding work rate of over 15km. Schweinsteiger has not become a leader by grand words, he leads by example.

So here I am, a life long Dortmund supporter, taking a bow in front of someone who can only be described as a legend and one of the greatest football players in the rich history of German football.

Let´s see if he can lead the national team for his last missing major title: the European Championship in 2016.
 

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Good luck to you too @Enigma_87

An ode to the generation's most underrated midfielder
I am sorry but this is funny as feck. I know we are expected to sell our teams, but Bastian, the most underrated? :lol:

If anything, he is the most rated midfielder of his generation even ahead of Xavi, Scholes, Pirlo and just slightly ahead of Iniesta. I have hardly seen anyone picking any of the above listed ahead of Bastian in this forum, except Iniesta sometimes.

The most underrated midfielder of that generation is ironically still in your team and that is Michael fecking Essien. What an engine he had and hardly ever has a good run in drafts. I wouldn't be surprised if you upgrade him as well if and when you go through.
 

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If anything, he is the most rated midfielder of his generation even ahead of Xavi, Scholes, Pirlo and just slightly ahead of Iniesta. I have hardly seen anyone picking any of the above listed ahead of Bastian in this forum, except Iniesta sometimes.
Scholes is hardly ever picked, he's definitely underrated in terms of his draft reputation. And Xavi & Iniesta are almost always picked ahead of Schweiny, although I agree, he isn't underrated anymore — although he was for a good part of his career.
 

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Scholes is hardly ever picked, he's definitely underrated in terms of his draft reputation. And Xavi & Iniesta are almost always picked ahead of Schweiny, although I agree, he isn't underrated anymore — although he was for a good part of his career.
Seen Bastian in plenty of finals here but hardly seen Xavi.
You'll always have people like @Edgar Allan Pillow or @Šjor Bepo who'd pick Xavi and pull something creative out of the team, but he hardly ever reaches any finals.

Rated is not just about how soon we pick them, but also how much they impact draft games and voters. From that angle, Bastian is the most rated IMO, even ahead of Iniesta.
 

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To me it's less about how Schweinsteiger is rated, but more his easy fit into multiple set-ups. Xavi needs more care to craft the right ensemble around him, whereas Schweinsteiger can shine in possession-based or more attritional midfields.
 

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To me it's less about how Schweinsteiger is rated, but more his easy fit into multiple set-ups. Xavi needs more care to craft the right ensemble around him, whereas Schweinsteiger can shine in possession-based or more attritional midfields.
He fits easily but so do many other players. Bastian is still not underrated though, let alone being the most underrated in a generation. Not by miles.

Going through this thread, almost everyone has him in their top 10 of all time :lol:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/red...-box-to-box-and-defensive-midfielders.450203/

Not relevant to the game, so I'll end this here.
 

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I agree he's rated appropriately, especially from the regulars in this forum.

Cracking open gambit though from @Enigma_87, getting everyone talking about his best central midfielder.
 

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Voted enigma even though 4231 makes me sick :D
His defensive setup is perfect for scrappys offense and i can see Garrincha(more so then Dinho) making a big impact in nicking this for enigma.
 

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@Enigma_87
just curious? why do you have Essien on the left?
I absolutely hate when people question sides in a double pivot but Essien is one of the rare examples where its obvious he prefered the right one + there is no logical/tactical explanation as he would then be in a direct duel with Sir Bobby and surely you want that with Schweini providing cover.
 

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Good luck to you too @Enigma_87



I am sorry but this is funny as feck. I know we are expected to sell our teams, but Bastian, the most underrated? :lol:

If anything, he is the most rated midfielder of his generation even ahead of Xavi, Scholes, Pirlo and just slightly ahead of Iniesta. I have hardly seen anyone picking any of the above listed ahead of Bastian in this forum, except Iniesta sometimes.

The most underrated midfielder of that generation is ironically still in your team and that is Michael fecking Essien. What an engine he had and hardly ever has a good run in drafts. I wouldn't be surprised if you upgrade him as well if and when you go through.
It was the headline of the article mate, no pun intended really. :lol:

I know he is rated well among the regulars, but probably not as high for some of the general fans.

When I was searching for some articles to present him there are tons of those saying he was 'underrated', maybe for selling papers for one, but there is generally a formed opinion that he didn't get as much praise during his peak.

There is part in it when it comes to individual awards - he was rarely considered for Ballon D'or for example (contrary to Iniesta, Pirlo and Xavi), like Scholes.

When Bayern won the treble he was voted 17th in the Ballon D'or - after Toure and Pirlo who didn't have the best individual seasons themselves.

As for Essien - you are right and at fault for that myself. Completely even forgot him when I compiled my list in the best b2b and he was at his peak at least as good as Makelele/Vieira in the Premier league.

Probably won't replace him if going forward as I picked Schweinsteiger to compliment him.
 

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I agree he's rated appropriately, especially from the regulars in this forum.

Cracking open gambit though from @Enigma_87, getting everyone talking about his best central midfielder.
Considering he was my only upgrade wanted to stir things up and see how others think of him in this set up alongside the particular players on the park.
 

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just curious? why do you have Essien on the left?
I absolutely hate when people question sides in a double pivot but Essien is one of the rare examples where its obvious he prefered the right one + there is no logical/tactical explanation as he would then be in a direct duel with Sir Bobby and surely you want that with Schweini providing cover.
TBH it's purely for aesthetic reasons.
I expect my CM duo to be more centrally focused considering both opposition full backs will have their hands full with pacy wingers that are able to stretch the play, whilst my full backs are defensively excellent.

One of the reasons is that I expected Sir Bobby to be roaming up the pitch and more of a second striker/#10 position and Essien picking him first whilst Schweinsteiger will act as a cover, as you described. Sir Bobby would probably start from a deeper position as he will link midfield and attack so Essien picking him up higher makes sense.

The other reason is in that graphic Figueroa can step up when anticipating a danger and wanted to give him "room" in that position and also Schweinsteiger being deeper on that side would pack the area where Campbell, Santos also operate in order to give less space from that side considering scrappy has 3 left sided players that would love to occupy that zone.

In a way to have that zone more crowded as it's the main weapon of the opposition, whilst also putting my best midfielder there.

On the left side Sterling and Camacho can provide the needed cover in the defensive phase not to get outnumbered.
 

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Tough. Enigma has better players but I don't see his attack providing any support in defensive phase. Esp against GSTQs excellent midfield.
Sterling will certainly do. Also bear in mind that both Essien and Schweinsteiger are defensively great. Batistuta is a guy who will press for the first ball and Garrincha/Ronaldinho occupying attacking space will certainly need some players in reserved roles in the opposition.

We aren't playing high up so that players like Dinho and Garrincha have to contribute 100% in the pressing.
 

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No way peak Essien is at least as good as Makelele/Vieira. That's snake oil salesman talk there :D.
 

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No way peak Essien is at least as good as Makelele/Vieira. That's snake oil salesman talk there :D.
I mentioned in their premier league stints. :) of course Makelele / Vieira feats on national level elevated them, as Essien didn’t have a notable international career.
 

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I mentioned in their premier league stints. :) of course Makelele / Vieira feats on national level elevated them, as Essien didn’t have a notable international career.
I remember thinking at one point that an Essien and Fabregas midfield two would be the best the Prem could offer in the mid to late 2000s
 

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Not much to hide, enigma is a clear favorite at this stage of the draft (jinx!!). Replace Sterling and that's a monster of a team really. Already is tbf.

Fantastic effort from GSTQ as always though. You must compliment the way that man thinks (out of the box) in these games. Whether it is about drafting, tactics or just his "blabbering" during the game. Only lacks a bit of personnel here.
 

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I remember thinking at one point that an Essien and Fabregas midfield two would be the best the Prem could offer in the mid to late 2000s
I think Scholes-Carrick or Xabi-Mascherano combo should be the top contenders. The former for the League, and the latter in Europe.
 

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Going through this thread, almost everyone has him in their top 10 of all time :lol:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/red...-box-to-box-and-defensive-midfielders.450203/
Not me :D

It's my feeling that he may even be a tad overrated in draft matches - that said, there's no denying his formidable 2010-2014 peak, although it was increasingly marred by injuries and declining fitness. To me he's roughly in the tier of midfielders like Davids, Keane, Ballack, Lampard, etc., which is a pretty crowded one.

When Bayern won the treble he was voted 17th in the Ballon D'or - after Toure and Pirlo who didn't have the best individual seasons themselves.
That Bayern team simply had several key players, and - according to my memory - Schweinsteiger was just one of them. I think his individual impact was higher in NT tournaments, especially in 2014 and 2010. May look different if I'd rewatch those games, but that's how I remember it.
 
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It's my feeling that he may even be a tad overrated in draft matches - that said, there's no denying his formidable 2010-2014 peak, although it was increasingly marred by injuries and declining fitness. To me he's roughly in the tier of midfielders like Davids, Keane, Ballack, Lampard, etc., which is a pretty crowded one
Yep, he is overrated IMO. I agree with the tier you put him in but quite recently he has been pushed a bit higher in the draft community.
 

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Not much to hide, enigma is a clear favorite at this stage of the draft (jinx!!). Replace Sterling and that's a monster of a team really. Already is tbf.

Fantastic effort from GSTQ as always though. You must compliment the way that man thinks (out of the box) in these games. Whether it is about drafting, tactics or just his "blabbering" during the game. Only lacks a bit of personnel here.
You are too kind as always Jim. Cheers.
 

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Congratulations on the win @Enigma_87

It was a no contest to be honest. Good luck going ahead.

Thanks to @Michaelf7777777 and @2mufc0 for the votes. Makes me feel good about writing that OP :D
Cheers. It was always hard catching up with three sheep from the off, but you certainly upgraded the best the last round. Needed one more round IMO and could've made it a very competitive team.

Liked the use of Baggio and alongside Blokhin, Hamrin and Sir Bobby you had a very potent front 4.
 

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Enigma getting Sir Bobby might be the end of this draft.
 

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I think Scholes-Carrick or Xabi-Mascherano combo should be the top contenders. The former for the League, and the latter in Europe.
That's fair. My point was more about relative form at the time than necessarily the best players as such. I think I liked the idea of its dynamism compared to our increasingly slow midfield.
 

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Vieira is comparable to Keane. Are you saying Essien is at least as good as Keane?
Peak Essien, yes. We glorify some and some go under the radar. Essien was absolutely top class in the middle and later half of that decade.
 

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Fair enough. I didn't know people rate Essien that high.
Not general consensus obviously. Most people probably rate him just about the same as you do, but I have had a liking for him all through his Chelsea days.