Serious question. If it works and Liverpool won the league by such a significant margin, surely there is something to be learned from this?
Should we (copy Liverpool) and get a throw-in coach?
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It's an interesting concept. I wonder if it truely helped.
No, they didn't win the league from having a throw in coach, they won it by drugging their players and sponsoring VAR, so your picking the wrong thing to copy.
Don’t forget winning more games than anyone else too
Can we get corners right first?
Let's just start with the first two and see how it goes.
I don't think it helps much at all. It is not like they are like Stoke and scoring goals from it.
No stats to back that up but every time we have a throw in I just hope it doesn't end up a dangerous counter.
Best case we just lump it forward as far as we can whereas other teams we face are able to conjure up a decent move out of them.
May be different pressing/marking tactics, I dunno.
Best case we just lump it forward as far as we can whereas other teams we face are able to conjure up a decent move out of them.
May be different pressing/marking tactics, I dunno.
Funny you should mention this. There was an interview with the coach (ESPN) and I think the first thing he told them was he was not going to turn them into Stoke. Focus is on possession retention after you throw in. Apparently Liverpool went from like 18th in the league to 1st. Tell me that doesn't make a difference.
What is a throw in coach?
Edit: Okay got it but seriously is there even a coach for this? Perhaps we can ring up Gary Neville. Wasn't he pretty famous for his long accurate throw-in balls.
Edit: Okay got it but seriously is there even a coach for this? Perhaps we can ring up Gary Neville. Wasn't he pretty famous for his long accurate throw-in balls.
It is still a small part of the game. Having moves to gain space is no different from regular play really apart from the fact the guy with the ball can't move.
It is not the reason why they beat City or anything like that.
Just gaining possesion is also a very defensive move from it. Other sides might try to create from set pieces like that.
If we don't already have one I wouldn't mind a general set piece specialist, we've not been great at attacking or defending corners for what feels like years.
Maybe a corner kick coach is better, our corner kick is predictable, lump it to Maguire. That's all.
A sensible approach is too look at all areas and try to gain advantages wherever you can.
Yeah that would help a lot. Set piece coach for freekicks too. We are far too predictable.
Apparently he coaches not just distance throwing, but movement of the receiving players as well. Seriously, we should be focusing on these kinds of innovation when there are such fine margins in football. It's as if for every other part of the game the team is coached by professionals, why let this aspect be done by amateurs or part-timers.
Can we a get a proper well established number-2 please , Dont have confidence in Carrick and McKenna
Exactly this. It would be odd to neglect this aspect when we clearly have the resources to give it a shot.
Perhaps. But usually the stuff happening with the feet and head, I would assume that the regular coaches already take care of that.
Yeah they train it, but could use one expert in the squad.
Without the quality in the delivery you will not score a lot even if you move well though. Maybe have someone that could teach our players to hit the ball well.
Since our delivery has often been shockingly bad.
Every little detail adds up.
That's true. Never too little an area to have specialist training. I saw a documentary about how Britain's Olympic cyclists became so good and it was attention to the minutest details. Even an improvement of performance by 1% made all the difference. Why not football? Especially in such an undercoached or uncoached area.
There is not that much time to train everything though. So many games and also need time for recovery.
Although training set pieces do not take that much physical energy so could add it after regular training I guess.
Don't know how many hours we train on a regular day. 2-3 hours?
I mean, this is the fullbacks job, just tell them to work on it, watch a YouTube video or something. Kicking the ball can be hard sometimes but throwing it with two hands? Come on. Just practice doing it 10 times and you’ve got it
"oi wan, watch some videos of Delap ya mug!"
Yeah it'll be like when Moyes supposedly tried to show Vidic and Ferdinand videos of Jagielka defending.
It's no coincidence the runaway league champions are associated with innovative coaching methods, it's that attention to detail that is the difference between being almost good enough and truly consistent excellence.
Yeah but the other players need to know how to move in a way which creates space through. Imagine if the players were coordinated to trick the opposition and then create space, instead of doing it individually?
This is dangerous though and silly to jump on a bandwagon.
It’s like when Ajax won the European Cup under Cruyff as their DOF. Every club in Europe decided they needed a DOF too.
The only reason they had him as DOF was because he didn’t have the right badges to coach and therefore be named as the manager. So he secretly managed the team from a DOF position.
We should be looking at marginal gains across the team and if throw ins are part of that then so be it, but we have to improve other things before we start relying on throw ins.
That only works once then teams know what to expect from the throw in next time.
It’s more effective to just surprise the opposition by working on something specific before a game.
Like when Giggs and Rooney worked on that short corner or when Valencia and Van Persie worked on dragging the cross back to the edge of the box for him to smash home.
They didn’t happen every game so when they did it resulted in a goal
Yes, its the attention to detail that is fascinating.
No, no, it's clearly VAR that won them the league
It gained them like 20 points VAR. That is what we need to buy to win it next year!No, no, it's clearly VAR that won them the league
Get a ball boy coach. Turn them into a squad of dastardly villains. Barca ball boys were like a well oiled machine at one point, always at the ready to deliver the ball back to the home team, and conveniently nowhere to be seen when it's the away teams throw/corner/GK. Proper sneaky.
They should have extra activities in the afternoon. Throw ins. Pens. Media coaching. What to do after football. Therapy. Building a brand. Kung foo kicks by Eric. Yoga with Giggs. Dont get caught by John Terry. Leadership with Sir Alex. Sprinting with Bolt
Throw-ins and generally tight interplay around the touchline were something we normally did very well under Ferguson.
We need a crossing coach!!
Yes, we should. Or at least a setpiece specialist who puts a bit of time into the throw-in part of the game.
City and Liverpool seem to have far less trouble getting the ball to their own player at throw-ins, which has more to do with positioning/movement than great throwing technique. They also defend/attack better against opposition throw-ins - routinely taking the ball or at least pushing the opponent backwards.
City and Liverpool seem to have far less trouble getting the ball to their own player at throw-ins, which has more to do with positioning/movement than great throwing technique. They also defend/attack better against opposition throw-ins - routinely taking the ball or at least pushing the opponent backwards.
Might as well get in Rory Delap. He won the U21 Premier League 1 Division 2 title with Derby U21 in his first season in charge.
