DomesticTadpole
Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
There is a big difference between going into a game thinking you might lose to actually wanting them to lose.
Thread?Do you ole out guys need a fecking new thread everytime we lose ? Apparently you do
This for me is just a bad example. Is this how you think in real life to? That you let go something good in hope for something better without knowing it will come?Lose a battle to win the war. Accept a short term defeat in one battle in order to increase the chances of victory in the whole war .
Dont think that will change any time soon.This is as divisive as trump v Biden
You should hear some of the rants in a pub after the games.This is as divisive as trump v Biden
I agree that he has rid us of a lot of players and brought in more players that you could say are of the United ethos. Does he utilise the squad to it's maximum, not too sure, a lot of managers could be accused of that. Would I want to lose so he can be sacked no.Yesterday I think the players did their best for him as I think they like him. If Ole gets the sack it should be because of results and not because a manager who is perceived to be better is available. Yesterday's game would not have been a surprise if we had lost, it is the game coming up next that Ole at times has problems with. If he can work out how to beat teams set up not to lose he will have got somewhere. If he doesn't then him and United are going nowhere.I'm new, but have been lurking and reading for a long time. I can understand people being impatient with the team, it's inevitable when there are up and downs in performance levels like there has been.
I do think there is a sense of immediacy in wanting the manager to come in and win trophies straight away, that rarely happens. I dont know how anyone expected this squad to be challenging for the league or champions league.
I also cannot understand why people want the team to lose a match just so Ole will get sacked. I wouldn't say those people are real fans at all, they might say it's for the greater good or whatever but wanting to lose even one match for any reason is enough to prove your not a real fan.
Some of these negative posters will go out of their way to not give Ole credit. I see posts saying that without Bruno the team would be nowhere and he's saving Ole. Do these people not realise that he's doing what he was bought to do? Imagine the slating Ole would get if he played and wasn't scoring and creating goals.
Finally, when you consider he's really only had a season and a half of footbalI. I think Ole has done a very good job with the squad and hes still working on building them squd he wants. He's gotten rid of most of the players people wanted gone, the others are barely seen in the match day squad never mind starting 11.
Inconsistency is par for the course during a squad rebuild, it takes at least 2 full seasons before the squad fully gels and is able to maintain standards week in week out.
I also don't think there is any point in getting rid of him to replace him with Poch or any manager at this point when he will be faced with the same board and the same incompetence in the transfer dealings.
Wish I couldYou should hear some of the rants in a pub after the games.
I've been following for years and it has always been the same.A consequence of the failed newbie system in recent years and mods evidently giving up on dealing with the excessive negativity. The United forum has turned into a slightly more moderated version of twitter.
Exactly. And the Ole in crowd we can be shit for weeks & then one win “see I told you he’s the right man”The problem with the ole out crowd is we could go on a ten game winning streak, record breaking away winning streak but as soon as we lose or draw it’s a “seeee! I knew it was coming, we never keep winning”
Was that ever actually a serious statement? I always assumed it was just a way to mock people with knee jerk reactions.I've been following for years and it has always been the same.
Sack Fergie sell Giggs was a thing here two decades ago.
The expression itself is mockery but the sentiment was very real.Was that ever actually a serious statement? I always assumed it was just a way to mock people with knee jerk reactions.
As is the reverse. See the threads after the rb leipzig game, tactial masterclass etc etc.The problem with the ole out crowd is we could go on a ten game winning streak, record breaking away winning streak but as soon as we lose or draw it’s a “seeee! I knew it was coming, we never keep winning”
Yup exactly.As is the reverse. See the threads after the rb leipzig game, tactial masterclass etc etc.
It goes both ways
One extreme then brings out the other extreme.Yup exactly.
Is this satire?Booooooo OLEOUT!!! Doesnt change with the win.
2 years and we still dont have an identity or style. Even if we win the next 4 its still Ole out.
Well said.Wanting your team to lose at any point should be a permanent ban offence to my mind as it goes against the fundamental idea of ‘supporting’ your team. You can have doubts about Ole sure, but if you can’t enjoy a big victory then I’d much rather you feck off and support the plastics like city.
Let's go on that 10 games winning run first, that'll put us on top of the league, then see about that, instead of flip flopping each week and imagining such things in our mind. When we had a good run at the end of last season of 5 or so wins in a row, everything here was rosy and positive, and there were hardly any moaning.The problem with the ole out crowd is we could go on a ten game winning streak, record breaking away winning streak but as soon as we lose or draw it’s a “seeee! I knew it was coming, we never keep winning”
Yeah suppose you know loads of season ticket holders from the Czech Republic.Thats a ridiculous statement and absolutely not accurate. I know plenty of season ticket holders that want him gone.
Be careful.What a shit life you must be living.
Just ban people that say that. You get banned for saying less serious things in these parts. Some words are banned because they upset a few people but they don't put the football forum on it's side like these types of comments and threads do. It's obvious that from these comments you can't have a reasonable discussion because it's a black hole for discussions. Sucks anything else in and becomes the sole talking point.Doesn't sit well with me when you see people hoping we lose so he gets sacked. Regardless of what you think of a manager you should never hope for your team to lose.
Moyes, LVG and even Mou were supported up to the day each of them picked up their P45. Means nothing.Yeah suppose you know loads of season ticket holders from the Czech Republic.
Out of curiosity have you been to any games at Old Trafford when Ole's had his back against the wall with the media and social media criticism?
I have and the manager has been supported.
What's wrong with wanting your team to lose in the short term so that they can win in the long term. I certainly wanted Emery to lose all his matches so that we could see his back asap.Obviously you didn’t read, I’m the OP and I said I think he isn’t the man to take us forward and feel he should be replaced but thanks for the useless input. I’m just pointing out fans actually wanting us to lose how can you be a Man Utd supporter while doing that ?
There are a number of posters who are so desperate for change that the only way they see us going forward is for us to lose a game and the manager gets sacked. You can feel the disappointment when they realise a win only prolongs their agony in seeing Ole as coach for another game.Maybe I don't browse the caf enough, but I haven't seen anybody wanting to see us lose. I saw it during the Moyes era, but I've not seen it under Solskjaer. Not saying that you're wrong though.
I am personally not happy with the manager, but I don't want us to lose. As long as he's here, I want Solskjaer to win. I want him to prove me wrong. But I don't get particularly happy when we win either. We have so many poor games, that to keep my own sanity, I have to remove emotion when I'm watching the team these days. Win or lose, reaction is the same.
That, however, doesn't mean I want Solskjaer to lose so he gets sacked.
Apparently in some people's mind, there's a clear cut definition of a "True Fan". That includes to NEVER want your team lose, for whatever reason. Not even for the bigger picture reasoning. I think it's pretty narrow minded definition. There's always exception to the rule.What's wrong with wanting your team to lose in the short term so that they can win in the long term. I certainly wanted Emery to lose all his matches so that we could see his back asap.
It only makes any kind of sense if you can be certain you will be better in the long term.What's wrong with wanting your team to lose in the short term so that they can win in the long term. I certainly wanted Emery to lose all his matches so that we could see his back asap.
I cannot recall a single moment where I have ever wanted United to lose a game, but I certainly cared less about results toward the end of Jose's reign. For example, we were 2-0 down at half-time to last-place Newcastle, then made a comeback in the second half to win 3-2 courtesy of an injury-time winner by Fellaini (I think). I didn't cheer the winner. I knew I was supposed to cheer but couldn't bring myself to do it. It was a weird feeling.Apparently in some people's mind, there's a clear cut definition of a "True Fan". And, in their mind, they're always right. That includes to NEVER want your team lose, for whatever reason. Not even for the bigger picture reasoning. I think it's pretty narrow minded definition. There's always exception to the rule.
Jose's last season is this exception i was talking about. The big reason he'd be fired by the Board was when he started losing games.I cannot recall a single moment where I have ever wanted United to lose a game, but I certainly cared less about results toward the end of Jose's reign. For example, we were 2-0 down at half-time to last-place Newcastle, then made a comeback in the second half to win 3-2 courtesy of an injury-time winner by Fellaini (I think). I didn't cheer the winner. I knew I was supposed to cheer but couldn't bring myself to do it. It was a weird feeling.
Not sure if it's the same thing the OP is referring to, but it's the closest I've come to not supporting the team.
That never gets old. And "go support another club". As you said; logic at its bestI see glory hunting is still being used, logic.
I knew a guy who switched from United to Arsenal in like 2010 or something. He was 18 too, so not even a kid. What do you call the opposite of glory hunting?How that glory hunting works? So you become fan of some club when you are a kid (i think that 99% of fans start supporting some club while they are kids). And then when you are unhappy with that club, you go support other club? How the feck is that possible? How you can stop supporting one club and start supporting other?
That glory hunting term is a BS.
Yes, I will be with you regardless of how long it takes.I'm in Ole in brigade and i'll be back to point fingers at you, negative nancies, after he's smashed the league.
Underdog hunting . Obscurity hunting. "Make me miserable" hunting.I knew a guy who switched from United to Arsenal in like 2010 or something. He was 18 too, so not even a kid. What do you call the opposite of glory hunting?