Marcelinho87
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Oh I agree with that.Rashford shouldn’t be on those wages though. He’s on more than the Liverpool front three for starters and the same goes for Martial. They probably eclipse De Bruyne too.
Oh I agree with that.Rashford shouldn’t be on those wages though. He’s on more than the Liverpool front three for starters and the same goes for Martial. They probably eclipse De Bruyne too.
They earn more than 350k per week?Rashford shouldn’t be on those wages though. He’s on more than the Liverpool front three for starters and the same goes for Martial. They probably eclipse De Bruyne too.
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Just checked. De Bruyne is rumoured to be on £280k a week. Martial and Rashford are rumoured to be on £250k a week.They earn more than 350k per week?
It's a bit simplistic. Players routinely extend their contracts in the last 18 months of their current contract, there is nothing new or special about it and you can't force a player to sign sooner anyway. Our issue is simply that we are not an attractive club from a football standpoint and we aren't really good at signing or developing top potential on a regular basis, I put an emphasis on regular basis because it is the ability to repeat it and over and over that will give us some leverage in the transfer and wage market. Otherwise the few talented players that you have know that you are stuck with them and that you are not really going anywhere in terms of success which is something that they will make you pay whether you try to sign them 36 or 18 months before the term of their contract.Just checked. De Bruyne is rumoured to be on £280k a week. Martial and Rashford are rumoured to be on £250k a week.
One has established himself as the best midfielder and is 28 in his prime. The other two are young players that for some reason we decided to overpay. We just give players whatever they want.
Another thing that Glazers and Woodward should be criticised for is this stupid policy of renewing contracts in the last year because we just end up overpaying because we are desperate to not lose the player on a free.
This 100%.He has a never sack physiolophy which is the daftest thing I've ever heard of. After pineapples on Pizza.
Indeed. But aditionally, one of the biggest problems with not winning much, is that you're going to have to overpay to get players to come or stay here. We simply lack pull right now.Just checked. De Bruyne is rumoured to be on £280k a week. Martial and Rashford are rumoured to be on £250k a week.
One has established himself as the best midfielder and is 28 in his prime. The other two are young players that for some reason we decided to overpay. We just give players whatever they want.
Another thing that Glazers and Woodward should be criticised for is this stupid policy of renewing contracts in the last year because we just end up overpaying because we are desperate to not lose the player on a free.
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I think Woodward is doing a worse job than Ole.Would never dream of calling for the head of a manager but apparently it’s okay with a club executive.
This. Outstanding post.We told the whole world we would conduct a thorough hiring process for the coach's position. For months, we kept insisting we would only announce the position after the season ended...we hired the interim manager, permanently in April without interviewing anyone else.
We threw the last manager under a bus, telling every journalist he was the reason we didn't hire a DoF. A yea after he's gone, still haven't hired anyone.
It's a shitshow.
I agree with this, partially.Indeed. But aditionally, one of the biggest problems with not winning much, is that you're going to have to overpay to get players to come or stay here. We simply lack pull right now.
Nail on the head..We told the whole world we would conduct a thorough hiring process for the coach's position. For months, we kept insisting we would only announce the position after the season ended...we hired the interim manager, permanently in April without interviewing anyone else.
We threw the last manager under a bus, telling every journalist he was the reason we didn't hire a DoF. A yea after he's gone, still haven't hired anyone.
It's a shitshow.
With the right manager possibly. Again back to the people choosing the manager.Would this side challenge for the league?
De Gea; AWB; Maguire; Smalling; Shaw (pre leg break); Pogba, Herrera, Martial, Rashford, di Maria, Ibra
We've had players like Blind, Mata, Bailly, Fred, Depay, Fellaini who'd be very useful.
I actually find the criticism that Woody receives to be way over the top. Hes spent a shit tonne and our managers have failed him.
No, the criticism is not that we spent too much or too little. It’s how we spent. If one manager spends a lot on mediocre players or too little to get good players, the buck might stop there. But when you have the same situation after four managers, the buck mus pass on to the responsible for the set up. This is Woodward.Well this makes a change from the usual we dont spend enough accusation.
Today its 'we have spent too much, sack him'.
Tomorrow 'we haven't spent enough, sack him'.
The lack of succession planning pre Woodward is as much to blame.
Jose's signings also to blame as well as the recent DDG contract.
You're not wrong. But he has to carry the can. The footballing structure at the club is his responsibility. If he can't that right, he has no business here.Would this side challenge for the league?
De Gea; AWB; Maguire; Smalling; Shaw (pre leg break); Pogba, Herrera, Martial, Rashford, di Maria, Ibra
We've had players like Blind, Mata, Bailly, Fred, Depay, Fellaini who'd be very useful.
I actually find the criticism that Woody receives to be way over the top. Hes spent a shit tonne and our managers have failed him.
Glazers aren't going anywhere.It's not just Woodward. Anyone who thinks the Glazers aren't equally culpable are in complete denial. They set the tone and the direction of the club. They even appointed Woodward to replace Gill so their judgement isn't great is it?
Glazers n Woodward OUT this year is what I'm still hoping for. I'd rather bite my lip and follow us under the Saudis than watch our slow painful demise under these parasites. The club is rotten.
Apparently Allegri was set to take over after LVG's 3 years, but the plans were scrapped because the fans wanted him out after the 2nd season.Woodward and Glazers made the mistake of keeping LVG in 2015 because he managed to get champions league football. We should have approached Klopp right after he left Dortmund. But our board is not so forward thinking.
Woody deserves all the critics, He's the CEO. He's the one who decided to keep the obviously failing managers (sacking them for too late) and He's the one who gave out fat contracts to our rather average players. He also never seem to have a proper plan. He sacked Van Gaal after Jose was available even though He knew They are totally different and then He sacked Jose when shit hit the fan after not backing him up properly in the transfer window. After that He appointed Ole because We were in a winning streak even though everyone and their mothers knew We haven't hit that patch of bad results to see how Ole copes with it.Would this side challenge for the league?
De Gea; AWB; Maguire; Smalling; Shaw (pre leg break); Pogba, Herrera, Martial, Rashford, di Maria, Ibra
We've had players like Blind, Mata, Bailly, Fred, Depay, Fellaini who'd be very useful.
I actually find the criticism that Woody receives to be way over the top. Hes spent a shit tonne and our managers have failed him.
Is this true? If it is then things are far worse than I thought. Who signed off these contracts? Burt Reynolds?Rashford shouldn’t be on those wages though. He’s on more than the Liverpool front three for starters and the same goes for Martial. They probably eclipse De Bruyne too.
You don't know that. They bought us in 2005 so that's 15 years ago now. Are they going to keep us forever and pass it on to the 3rd generation of the Glazer family? They are blood sucking business men and will sell the club when it's the right time. I think that time is soon coming because Liverpool n City are catching us up off the pitch too and are well infront on it as we all know.Glazers aren't going anywhere.
I look at it this way, unless the Galzers have had direct involvement(I doubt it) on how we've spent €1bn in six and a half years, they can't be the biggest culprit.
They're leeches and I want them out but teams have built world class squads with half that money.
How many clubs have an embedded philosophy? Take Liverpool, for example, how similar was Klopp to Brendan Rodgers or their previous managers? Did Liverpool always have Klopp in mind or did they go for him once he became available as it was definitely a risk worth taking?Woody deserves all the critics, He's the CEO. He's the one who decided to keep the obviously failing managers (sacking them for too late) and He's the one who gave out fat contracts to our rather average players. He also never seem to have a proper plan. He sacked Van Gaal after Jose was available even though He knew They are totally different and then He sacked Jose when shit hit the fan after not backing him up properly in the transfer window. After that He appointed Ole because We were in a winning streak even though everyone and their mothers knew We haven't hit that patch of bad results to see how Ole copes with it.
Moyes to Van Gaal -> No complaint as anything was improvement over Moyes
Van Gaal to Jose -> From possession football + youth to no youth + instant success. Here's when you begin to wonder if Ed has a long term planning at all. After a while it was becoming apparent that He didn't back Jose fully even though We all know Jose likes to buy older players for instant success.
Jose to Ole -> From no youth + instant success to youth + no success. All with the wrong timing, trigger happy decision. Here's when you know our CEO cannot be relied for big decisions around the club. Which is 100% of his job description. Look at the pattern, there's no pattern. Wouldn't surprise me if the next manager after Ole is Maradona.
Gary Neville is undead to me again... for the time being.
True I think. I rated Mane highly, but he is probably the only one. Van Dijk I didn't expect to develop like he did for them. Allison was a very good keeper so rated that move.Player for player compare our signings vs Liverpool over the past 4/5 seasons and without hindsight at the time you’d say our signings were better, except for maybe 1 or 2. Something is rotten with the coaching at the club.
The only real example, I can think of was Pep and the feathering of the nest that occured at City, that was a clear plan for years before it happened.How many clubs have an embedded philosophy? Take Liverpool, for example, how similar was Klopp to Brendan Rodgers or their previous managers? Did Liverpool always have Klopp in mind or did they go for him once he became available as it was definitely a risk worth taking?
I agree that he's made a number of incorrect decisions. Moyes was on Fergie. LvG and Jose were both punts with the idea being quick success. Ole was a mistake and thats been my opinion since day 1 - this was Eds biggest error. He played his cards perfectly by sacking Mourinho at the right time, giving the care taker job to a fan favourite but he messed up when he made Ole permanent. He has his shortcomings and other than missing out on Klopp, I don't see too many issues with his managerial appointments. He's backed them well but for different reasons, they've all failed him thus far.
That said, he deserves the sack as he isn't experienced enough. I'd like us to move forward in the direction others want in that set a plan and work towards it but we need competent people in their roles. Ed and Ole both should go.
Apparently De Gea's latest contract makes him the highest paid player the the league.Anyone have our predicted wagebill for next season if we get rid of Sanchez and Pogba goes? Doubt it'll be top 5, we've got rid of a lot of players on high wages (Lukaku, Fellaini, Herrera, Young, Smalling, Darmian) with more to go (Rojo, Jones,) I'd be surprised if the wage bill hasn't fallen dramatically.
Is that right about Poch not being able to sign until summer? I wondered why no one has hired him.Ed's philosophy has always been to hire some bloke who has a load of trophies. This is the philosophy of someone who knows nothing about the game. Moyes was Fergie's choice but Ed has single-handedly butchered us since then.
Football evolves and changes quickly. The like of Capello, Van Gaal, Martin O'Neil, Wenger were shit-hot yesterday, but beyond dinosaurs today.
The thing is though, that Ed learned on the job and probably has learned from his mistakes by now. Pochettino doesn't want a job till Summer as he is on full pay till then and has an agreement with Levy not to take another PL job till summer. They won't sack Ole now as it becomes cheaper to sack him when top 4 is no longer possible.
This season is a write-off, we need to accept the pain now, realize there's no use sacking Ole unless we know if Naglesmann or Poch want to come in the summer. Hopefully with a new DOF too
Yeah, I agree with you. Ultimately, I think Eds had the right intentions but its no much the decisions hes made but, as you point out, the lack of them. Missing out on Klopp and a DOF seem to be our biggest problems as well as the key signings we've not made.The only real example, I can think of was Pep and the feathering of the nest that occured at City, that was a clear plan for years before it happened.
Football tends to have this fallacy of success = the right way to do something, also a severe grass is always greener syndrome. The Spain model of youth developed was heralded as the best thing since sliced bread when Spain was dominating the scene, then it was the German system, all while papering over or flat out ignoring the cracks in it and immediately ejecting everything the second it loses a big game.
The difference between Liverpool approach and United's over the last 5 years, is that Liverpool have appeared to acted more swiftly and proactivately, rather than indecisively and extremely reactionary. Some of that is pure luck though, it's not like they didn't have years of abject shite too, just not lately.
Mourinho shouldn't have been renewed, but it would have taken balls to put up with his moaning for the next 6 months but I think the signs of a meltdown where on the cards, so they renewed to keep him happy short term and he did it anyway. Ole shouldn't have been employeed on a full time basis, as much as I like him and am now prepared to give him time, IF they had stuck to the original statement, I don't think the calls to give on a permenant basis in June would have been as high as they were in March. The 3 year search for a DoF is just laughable at this point, if they'd have just picked ANYBODY you'd be seeing results about now and have a scapegoat, instead you have yet to hire someone.
The guys he hired failed him?Would this side challenge for the league?
De Gea; AWB; Maguire; Smalling; Shaw (pre leg break); Pogba, Herrera, Martial, Rashford, di Maria, Ibra
We've had players like Blind, Mata, Bailly, Fred, Depay, Fellaini who'd be very useful.
I actually find the criticism that Woody receives to be way over the top. Hes spent a shit tonne and our managers have failed him.