The Glasers will definitely sell, but not until United have hit rock bottom

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In simple terms whilst United remain a revenue generating behemoth, we can forget any prospect that the Glasers will be selling any time soon. As it stands, seven years after winning our last Premier League title, 30 points behind our biggest rival and with a manager who, since his appointment, has lost more games than he has won; United are still one of the most profitable clubs in the world (3rd in terms of revenue generated in 2019). Where I ask you is the incentive to sell?

United has become a total contradiction: we are a club performing far below our once vaunted performance standards and yet remain profitable enough for it not to matter to the balance sheet. From the Glasers perspective it would be utter madness to sell. They are business men not football fans after all. They are in it to make as much money as possible and we are in it to recruit the best players and be the dominant force in English football. The two are mutually incompatible. They could care less that the roof is leaking, that United can scarcely put together a starting eleven, that the manager often appears confused and clueless, just as long as United continue to rake in the profits at the end of the year. The Glasers have realised that they can live off the fat of the Ferguson years for decades to come. United are a big fat cash cow, with udders bursting with debt-servicing and dividend paying revenue.

Will the Glasers sell? Of course. They will sell in the future for the same reasons that they will not sell now - money! When Manchester United no longer become a viable financial entity it will be sold. We will not be sold because the Glasers cannot deliver another Premier League, Champions League title or even Champions League qualification. It will be when the financial risks no longer outweigh the financial rewards.
 

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I think there are lots of steps these clowns could still take to funnel money out of this club.

The ground naming rights for one, so they're here for a while.
 

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Do you think united will ever become unprofitable?

At worst we play in championship with championship player, and even championship teams make money.

United will never be unprofitable. The only time it can be unprofitable is when the glazers stumped 200m foe player purchase, if they want to be profitable, all they gotta do is tell the manager no big transfer., give him a token 30m transfer budget and voila.


If you think a few thousand people who has paid for their tickets boycotting will hurt them. It will be like you guys wanted to sink the Bismarck with fishermen's boat and throwing pebbles, who knows you might dent the paint.

And no. Even if fhe Bismarck has a small leak in her galley (which tooks a few hours to fix if they wanted to) it doesnt mean it's sinking.
 

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Sky1981 said:
Do you think united will ever become unprofitable?

At worst we play in championship with championship player, and even championship teams make money.

United will never be unprofitable. The only time it can be unprofitable is when the glazers stumped 200m foe player purchase, if they want to be profitable, all they gotta do is tell the manager no big transfer., give him a token 30m transfer budget and voila.


If you think a few thousand people who has paid for their tickets boycotting will hurt them. It will be like you guys wanted to sink the Bismarck with fishermen's boat and throwing pebbles, who knows you might dent the paint.

And no. Even if fhe Bismarck has a small leak in her galley (which tooks a few hours to fix if they wanted to) it doesnt mean it's sinking.
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Depends how much profit they need to be able to filter money out of the club. There will be fans who stay loyal, but plenty who won't because there are lots of options for them to jump to. The next generation might not be so attracted to United. Might get to the stage where a 75,000 stadium is too big and they sell the ground and build a smaller one.
 

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Depends how much profit they need to be able to filter money out of the club. There will be fans who stay loyal, but plenty who won't because there are lots of options for them to jump to. The next generation might not be so attracted to United. Might get to the stage where a 75,000 stadium is too big and they sell the ground and build a smaller one.
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I doubt that. Even on the eve of a supposed planned boycott people arent participating. Let alone an empty 70k stadium.

If shit happens all they gotta do is check this forum, see the polls on who's the next manager we all crave for, appoint him, give him soundbites and 150m transfer kitty we'd be back supporting the club again.

The last time we appoint ole many people here claim they found their love back.
 

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Empty stadium is the only solution.

When the supporters walk out of Old Trafford the first time they will take notice, the third time they will start getting worried and when the stadium is half empty for the fifth or sixth home game in row they will hit the panic button.

A grand slam would be Ole and Woody out after three, Joel and his brother after six and new owners in May. Sweat dreams but what would the world be without crazy dreams.
 

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What is rock bottom? Not being surprised losing at home to Burnley is pretty dire, perhaps losing today...or relegation. Our standard from top to bottom have fallen extraordinary already so how much more? In my opinion it’s down to the fans now to force change, nobody at the club is willing to or capable of doing it.
 

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If our owners are in it to make as much money as they possibly can, we wouldn’t be second only to City in both gross and net spend over the last 7 years, and broke the English transfer record twice.

There are plenty of grounds to criticise them without making stuffs up.
 

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InfiniteBoredom said:
If our owners are in it to make as much money as they possibly can, we wouldn’t be second only to City in both gross and net spend over the last 7 years, and broke the English transfer record twice.

There are plenty of grounds to criticise them without making stuffs up.
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Have to agree. They wouldn't have frozen the match day prices for so long. Naming rights of the stadium would have gone years ago. £3bn offer would have been enough to sell for profits without all the current abuse.

What their exit strategy is? I don't know. But my biggest gripe against the Glazer's is keeping Ed longer than he should have and not investing on OT more. I'm sure the budget they would have set aside for OT, Ed blew on the transfer market, inflated wage bill and of hiring and sacking managers.
 

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I think we confuse high revenues with profitability. United may rake in lots of money but, even looking at the anticipated drop in revenue for this year, it's clear that you still need to perform on the pitch to actually make money.

Of the 600m odd the club raked in as revenues how much did they get in dividends? £10m or so, I doubt that sort of money is enough to turn down a flat, one off £3bn bid that allows each one of them to walk away with £500m.

If there ever was an offer they would have sold imo because it doesn't make sense to take £200m over ten or twenty years in dividends from a declining asset that needs several hundreds of millions to catch up with the competition.

The hunt for a new shirt deal will reveal a lot because no one is going to jump at the chance of paying a world record fee to sponsor a mid rate has been club when the likes of Liverpool are there.

In my view we need to spend, we need the type of executive talent that the Glazers are unaware of to be effective in this spending and there is no guarantee that after this spending we will recapture our lost position at the top. Glazers might decide to tighten up ship but, seeing what you have seen at OT over the past few weeks, do you really think the fans will take it lightly?

When the club is at war with its fans won't other sponsors jump ship or just refuse to renew existing deals?
 

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Owners are supposed to love the club. Forgone hundreds of millions. Lose another hundreds for us to spend.

God forbid they took a small divident
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Seriously don't understand Glazer apologists. Why don't you feck off and support McDonald's.
 

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AneRu said:
I think we confuse high revenues with profitability. United may rake in lots of money but, even looking at the anticipated drop in revenue for this year, it's clear that you still need to perform on the pitch to actually make money.

Of the 600m odd the club raked in as revenues how much did they get in dividends? £10m or so, I doubt that sort of money is enough to turn down a flat, one off £3bn bid that allows each one of them to walk away with £500m.

If there ever was an offer they would have sold imo because it doesn't make sense to take £200m over ten or twenty years in dividends from a declining asset that needs several hundreds of millions to catch up with the competition.

The hunt for a new shirt deal will reveal a lot because no one is going to jump at the chance of paying a world record fee to sponsor a mid rate has been club when the likes of Liverpool are there.

In my view we need to spend, we need the type of executive talent that the Glazers are unaware of to be effective in this spending and there is no guarantee that after this spending we will recapture our lost position at the top. Glazers might decide to tighten up ship but, seeing what you have seen at OT over the past few weeks, do you really think the fans will take it lightly?

When the club is at war with its fans won't other sponsors jump ship or just refuse to renew existing deals?
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Shirt sponsor sorted. Haier it will be. Alibaba deal shows we still a big pull.

But you rightly say, it's the executive team needed to bring us back is the key here. Money has been available but not spent well.so what we are now seeing is the Glazer's tightening up a bit. But I'm guessing this is to make way for a new executive team and getting rid of any footballing matters.
 

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as an asset we have peaked, plateaued and with no CL football and the money associated we are going to drop in the next 2 financial years

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ed-risks-falling-out-of-u-k-soccer-money-lead

I heard the commercial deals have started to dry up in recent years as we diversified initially under the Glazers but there's only so much you can market perhaps and hard to sustain the early growth. The Glazers are in Davos trying to secure a new sponsor and it's hard to see growth given the problems on the pitch.

United will always be big news and without any data it's clear we are still the biggest show in town in terms of social media/clickbait

the continued poor performances on the pitch and fan protests will be a bit of a disaster for the Glazers who are trying to sell our brand to corporations.

With a bit of luck they will see now as the perfect time to sell as our value as a club is likely to decrease.
 

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Sky1981 said:
Do you think united will ever become unprofitable?

At worst we play in championship with championship player, and even championship teams make money.

United will never be unprofitable. The only time it can be unprofitable is when the glazers stumped 200m foe player purchase, if they want to be profitable, all they gotta do is tell the manager no big transfer., give him a token 30m transfer budget and voila.


If you think a few thousand people who has paid for their tickets boycotting will hurt them. It will be like you guys wanted to sink the Bismarck with fishermen's boat and throwing pebbles, who knows you might dent the paint.

And no. Even if fhe Bismarck has a small leak in her galley (which tooks a few hours to fix if they wanted to) it doesnt mean it's sinking.
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Economic crisis hits, interest rates explode, other than that, United would most likely always turn a profit.
 

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fastwalker said:
In simple terms whilst United remain a revenue generating behemoth, we can forget any prospect that the Glasers will be selling any time soon. As it stands, seven years after winning our last Premier League title, 30 points behind our biggest rival and with a manager who, since his appointment, has lost more games than he has won; United are still one of the most profitable clubs in the world (3rd in terms of revenue generated in 2019). Where I ask you is the incentive to sell?

United has become a total contradiction: we are a club performing far below our once vaunted performance standards and yet remain profitable enough for it not to matter to the balance sheet. From the Glasers perspective it would be utter madness to sell. They are business men not football fans after all. They are in it to make as much money as possible and we are in it to recruit the best players and be the dominant force in English football. The two are mutually incompatible. They could care less that the roof is leaking, that United can scarcely put together a starting eleven, that the manager often appears confused and clueless, just as long as United continue to rake in the profits at the end of the year. The Glasers have realised that they can live off the fat of the Ferguson years for decades to come. United are a big fat cash cow, with udders bursting with debt-servicing and dividend paying revenue.

Will the Glasers sell? Of course. They will sell in the future for the same reasons that they will not sell now - money! When Manchester United no longer become a viable financial entity it will be sold. We will not be sold because the Glasers cannot deliver another Premier League, Champions League title or even Champions League qualification. It will be when the financial risks no longer outweigh the financial rewards.
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Why would they wait for the club to be so undervalued before selling ? They would make only a fraction of the money they would otherwise get if we were moving in the right direction.
 

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How much is the guy who is buying Newcastle worth. Another team we will have to compete with in a couple of years time.
 

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Glazer bought united 1bn. Now 4bn

Anyone buying us at 4bn wouldnt make any profit. Unless we realistically double our value. Which is unrealistic, there's a ceiling to everything.

So we're a worse investment than newcastle at 300m.

Newcastle at 300m can easilly be a 1 bn team in 10 years.

Plus anyone buying us cant takedivident. Shit investment I'd say
 

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fastwalker said:
In simple terms whilst United remain a revenue generating behemoth, we can forget any prospect that the Glasers will be selling any time soon. As it stands, seven years after winning our last Premier League title, 30 points behind our biggest rival and with a manager who, since his appointment, has lost more games than he has won; United are still one of the most profitable clubs in the world (3rd in terms of revenue generated in 2019). Where I ask you is the incentive to sell?

United has become a total contradiction: we are a club performing far below our once vaunted performance standards and yet remain profitable enough for it not to matter to the balance sheet. From the Glasers perspective it would be utter madness to sell. They are business men not football fans after all. They are in it to make as much money as possible and we are in it to recruit the best players and be the dominant force in English football. The two are mutually incompatible. They could care less that the roof is leaking, that United can scarcely put together a starting eleven, that the manager often appears confused and clueless, just as long as United continue to rake in the profits at the end of the year. The Glasers have realised that they can live off the fat of the Ferguson years for decades to come. United are a big fat cash cow, with udders bursting with debt-servicing and dividend paying revenue.

Will the Glasers sell? Of course. They will sell in the future for the same reasons that they will not sell now - money! When Manchester United no longer become a viable financial entity it will be sold. We will not be sold because the Glasers cannot deliver another Premier League, Champions League title or even Champions League qualification. It will be when the financial risks no longer outweigh the financial rewards.
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When Man Utd are no longer making money the price will be lower also. So, hopefully, as shrewd, business people they will realise its best to sell now and get the most that they can out of the club. But also very few individuals can or want to spend £3b, even those with £20b. Realistically it will be a group
 

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Was there anything that could have been done to stop their takeover?
 

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This is the evil bastard that won't sell our club.
 

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Sky1981 said:
Owners are supposed to love the club. Forgone hundreds of millions. Lose another hundreds for us to spend.

God forbid they took a small divident
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Hi Neil. Always thought you had really annoying hair
 

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Moiraine said:
Was there anything that could have been done to stop their takeover?
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In 99 Fans stopped Bskyb takeover of United. stopped something good only for something shit to happen a few years later.
 
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