Raees
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@Skizzo @crappycraperson cheers for that guys I'll hold fire for now.
It was just my cheap shot, going for the 'slow' card. Yeah, both are experience against speedy forward. Although I don't think any of your CB have experience playing on that formation of yours, being overly exposed on the side. My team may not have dedicated winger, but both strikers are known of able to attack from the sides.I won't be employing a high line against you - that would be suicidal but both Hummels and Chiellini have defended brilliantly in teams which press and play expansive football so if anything they'll find it much easier under my management and I doubt they've ever featured for sides as talented and as balanced as mine.
Defenders who haven't featured for Madrid, Barca, Bayern should get credit for featuring in lesser sides and still excelling. An off colour Hummels won a world cup due to the quality around him but at Dortmund his poor form.is being exposed.
At his peak he was a defensive giant in an unheard of team holding his own against Ronaldo, Robben and co.
I don't deny that but both of your strikers excel with speedy wing forwards either side of them or pace in general In the side. Your team is very slow apart from the front two and the width coming from your full backs is poor tbh.It was just my cheap shot, going for the 'slow' card. Yeah, both are experience against speedy forward. Although I don't think any of your CB have experience playing on that formation of yours, being overly exposed on the side. My team may not have dedicated winger, but both strikers are known of able to attack from the sides.
I love it when people make these. It's like all the rival players will position themselves exactly where you want them... Here's a thought: Mascherano leaving Higuaín to Pepe and occupying the space where Mata has bizarrely chosen to position himself. Instead, Mata is where Eto'o is, and Eto'o is in that huge gap left of Chiellini... Would look different, wouldn't it?
true that..does require a leap of imagination but I think we can agree that he is more likely to attack down the left with the nature of players he has. He's definitely more of a threat down that side and I have reinforced that flank with serious muscle and legs in the form of Park and De Rossi.I love it when people make these. It's like all the rival players will position themselves exactly where you want them... Here's a thought: Mascherano leaving Higuaín to Pepe and occupying the space where Mata has bizarrely chosen to position himself. Instead, Mata is where Eto'o is, and Eto'o is in that huge gap left of Chiellini... Would look different, wouldn't it?
The only advantage is De Rossi is now on your defensively weaker side, which isn't a bad idea at all.
No worries Annah, appreciate your detailed thoughts onthe matter.So trying to force myself to make a decision. I really like the formation and tactic Raees decided to go for with a defensive winger like Park playing instead of a full back. I don't think that Modric fits that role very well at all though. For me he is more a congested central midfielder who was changed around to let the other central midfielders benefit.
Isco for me doesn't fill a very important role either here. The one thing you do get from this set up is complete domination centrally as both your wide midfielders are also central midfielders. But then Isco's ball control and playmaking turns a bit redundant.
You would be much better off with an actual winger up there, or a 3-4-1-2, where Ronaldinho drifted out wide on both sides and Isco primarily was foil for finding Ronaldinho in good positions and to one-two with the central/wide midfielders who bombard forward.
It would be a more limited role for Isco which would allow Ronaldinho to be everywhere in this game. I can't see a reason why you would ever want to start an attack through the right flank as of now. You'd be trying to find Ronaldinho on the left nonstop and that would be too predictable to work. Isotope would just suffocate the left and force you to play through Isco on the right.
By the time that Ronaldinho has made his way towards Isco on the right the opportunity of a quick and direct attack would be over already.
He did the same for Zagreb, but I think he's too important for your teams play centrally to be playing as a left midfielder here when the central midfield is congested. At the same time you do want someone who sticks to that wide role like Park and doesn't try to further choke up the central area rather than a quasi left/central midfielder who would drift out of position.No worries Annah, appreciate your detailed thoughts onthe matter.
Modric played as a quasi left winger/central midfielder for Spurs, he is more than capable of combining both roles here and Vidal isn't an amazing attacking threat which will stretch Modric defensively here.. Luka can definitely provide meaningful width here.
Isco has an important role where he can drift into the hole and outnumber the diamond or provide width down the right, a base from which to build an attack.. he is great at holding the ball up and turning, one turn is all it takes to start off a brilliant counter. His role is more Malaga/Spain under 21's than Madrid in this set up.
I disagree that Isotope can suffocate the left, Ronaldinho/Modric on that side v Sagna/Vidal is a match up in my favour. Mascherano can drift over too if he likes but Ronaldinho has destroyed the worlds best teams - see Milan in 05/06 and Chelsea from that era.. he was destroying much greater defence/midfields than this and he was being man marked by more than one player. This will be much easier for him as he isn't up against an all time great Defence.
I'm not discussing your set up much because it is right on tactically. The entire team lacks a bit of flair and pace bar the front duo - but unfortunately for Raees here I think they will find space in the wide areas in this set up and if the get to receive a ball with space to build up pace it will lead to chaos and eventually goals.Vidal is a much greater threat than Modric, though. Vidal is just a box to box beast, who can score as well. Eto'o can go wide (as he's done it at Inter) and forcing Chiellini and Modeic to go wide. That will open space for my goalscoring midfielders to step up.
Raees needs Ronaldinho to come centrally for him to score. And that area is the strongest part of my team.
That's where I think Raees team fall short, with the lack of proven goalscorer in his, compared to mine.
Ronaldinho (one), and Higuain (two, meh.. even Marcosdeto never bumped his thread here ..). Then who else?
That's the problem with fullbacks. Most of the pacey ones are attacking FB with less defensive attributes (unless they are Lahm and Alaba. Even Evra was questionable to some). And with many teams playing with wingers, people usually see winger against FB, and favored the more defensive FB. Thus having Chivu and Sagna who are better defensively is easier to be justified. Although I consider peak Sagna as pacey attacking FB too. And Chivu, as a fairly good passer, could help the midfield in keeping the possession.I'm not discussing your set up much because it is right on tactically. The entire team lacks a bit of flair and pace bar the front duo - but unfortunately for Raees here I think they will find space in the wide areas in this set up and if the get to receive a ball with space to build up pace it will lead to chaos and eventually goals.
Hard to justify a diamond either your full-backs are very dominant or you have a very unique AM who is great in a diamond.
I never said that they weren't ball-playing defenders. I said that Boateng is an aggressive, ball-winning sort of a defender who looks to win the ball from players or head out crosses from the box. Chivu is quite a disciplined defender, so he can deal with Isco for sure, but my concern is with Boateng, Pepe, and Mascherano being all similar in their defensive style.You're definitely not familiar with Boateng and Chivu. They are are both ball playing defenders.
And since when de Rossi is this magnificent DM? Every time we played Roma with him as a DM, felt like we had an easy game.
Think so too. Congrats @Isotope you were one of my favourites before we matched up so best of luck for the rest of the draft - I'll probably be rooting for you. TBH I didn't think my team was strong enough to match you due to weaknesses I had in certain areas and I felt Dortmund's performances of late.. didn't help the impression people had of certain sections of my side.Think Isotope won this due to manager votes
damn it. It's so heart-warming, getting the praise from opponent like you. Hope that I wasn't too harsh on my comments. I tried not to be aggressive over this Draft thing.Think so too. Congrats @Isotope you were one of my favourites before we matched up so best of luck for the rest of the draft - I'll probably be rooting for you.
Thanks for the support, mate. I was lucky to get good reinforcements on the last round.I love the funk in Raees team but the power, guile and industry in the front 5 of isotope is too hard to ignore.
Mate the fact I had to pull out such a drastic formation change and put some effort into that write up is testament to how strong I thought your side was - I think the Saurez/Eto'o combination would tear my 3 apart in all honesty. Sagna/Mata are probably the guys I could fault, perhaps Pepe too.. rest of the team is solid. That said, you'll find it harder to upgrade than the others because you are pretty much committed to the diamond whereas others have more flexibility.damn it. It's so heart-warming, getting the praise from opponent like you. Hope that I wasn't too harsh on my comments. I tried not to be aggressive over this Draft thing.
Think you did incredibly well to create such a radical formation without actually planning the entire draft to go for it. I've seen and probably tried similarly odd strategies that had the benefit of picking the players for the formation/strategy - yet ended up less cohesive than your side.Mate the fact I had to pull out such a drastic formation change and put some effort into that write up is testament to how strong I thought your side was - I think the Saurez/Eto'o combination would tear my 3 apart in all honesty. Sagna/Mata are probably the guys I could fault, perhaps Pepe too.. rest of the team is solid. That said, you'll find it harder to upgrade than the others because you are pretty much committed to the diamond whereas others have more flexibility.
Best of luck.
I was thinking it then thought its too crazy. Then @harms mentioned it and the opponent I was drawn against, made it a necessity to give me a fighting chance.Think you did incredibly well to create such a radical formation without actually planning the entire draft to go for it. I've seen and probably tried similarly odd strategies that had the benefit of picking the players for the formation/strategy - yet ended up less cohesive than your side.
Didn't hurt Argentina NT when they got to the last Final WC. Then when you see what Atletico Madrid have also.I never said that they weren't ball-playing defenders. I said that Boateng is an aggressive, ball-winning sort of a defender who looks to win the ball from players or head out crosses from the box. Chivu is quite a disciplined defender, so he can deal with Isco for sure, but my concern is with Boateng, Pepe, and Mascherano being all similar in their defensive style.
de Rossi is a great defensive midfielder. Back when we played him, he was quite young (22-24) and was still not defensively controlled back then. I seem to remember him being a proper box-to-box midfielder back then with Claudio Pizzaro sitting back as the deep-lying playmaker with Taddei/Perotta supporting them. It was when he was reaching his peak years that he developed that discipline and control that allowed him to be a great defensive midfielder. He was so good that he could seamlessly drop back into the libero role in a back 3 and look comfortable there.
Didn't expect you'd come up with that formation, tbh. I honestly think that yours is just one good striker away on winning this. Lewandowski or one of my strikers would be perfect.Mate the fact I had to pull out such a drastic formation change and put some effort into that write up is testament to how strong I thought your side was - I think the Saurez/Eto'o combination would tear my 3 apart in all honesty. Sagna/Mata are probably the guys I could fault, perhaps Pepe too.. rest of the team is solid. That said, you'll find it harder to upgrade than the others because you are pretty much committed to the diamond whereas others have more flexibility.
Best of luck.
It's not doping. Just excessive hormone growth for health purposeFollowing the post match drug tests, it's revealed that team Isodoped.
Raees wins and draft life ban for Isotope.
Massive understatement, every time I reviewed this I started warming to vote for you, then saw your fullbacks... What the hell is Chivu doing at LB in a diamond?Didn't expect you'd come up with that formation, tbh. I honestly think that yours is just one good striker away on winning this. Lewandowski or one of my strikers would be perfect.
Yeah, diamond is pretty hard to upgrade. Maybe getting attacking fullback would improve it.
That's why I said Mascherano's industry and defensive determination can make up for the lack of completeness. Plus, Atletico have both of their midfielders sitting deep and playing with an aggressive discipline whilst the wingers tuck in and do all of the full-on aggressive pressing.Didn't hurt Argentina NT when they got to the last Final WC. Then when you see what Atletico Madrid have also.
For defensive purpose, and his passing ability from the back. I have midfield and forward on his side who can compensate for his lack of ability going forward. Even if I had Marcelo there, he wouldn't be able to venture forward, if the opponent has good winger.Massive understatement, every time I reviewed this I started warming to vote for you, then saw your fullbacks... What the hell is Chivu doing at LB in a diamond?
You actually needed someone like Chivu against Goofy, not Isco. That only made it worse, they weren't anything to shout about AND they looked better suited to the type of threat on the opposite flank!For defensive purpose, and his passing ability from the back. I have midfield and forward on his side who can compensate for his lack of ability going forward. Even if I had Marcelo there, he wouldn't be able to venture forward, if the opponent has good winger.
What do you want to know, something about DDR in general?Didn't hurt Argentina NT when they got to the last Final WC. Then when you see what Atletico Madrid have also.
The only time I rate de Rossi was when the Italy NT reached Euro Final. Maybe @Mali_Zeus can shed a light on this?