Gotta be worth a go. Surely the Premier League would want the Derby to include Pogba
The Pogba red card
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Don't think it was intentional, but really can't complain as I think it was deserved.
Glad the poll is reflecting sense.
We all know what he's done and it wasn't malicious but it was nasty and you'd be screaming for a red if it was roles reversed.
Stupid too given the derby next week.
We all know what he's done and it wasn't malicious but it was nasty and you'd be screaming for a red if it was roles reversed.
Stupid too given the derby next week.
Does bellerins ice skating pose as Pogba attempts the tackle make sense too?
If it wasn't intentional, malicious, two footed or dangerous then its a yellow card.
Not sure it was stupid as once he commited to the challenge, there was nowhere else he could place his foot.
I remember people doing it when I played / trained - it's done as a piss-take, it's like a dummy feinted tackle. really not conducive to good health because... well, as we see here, really. He's effectively leading body-first & making himself wider to get around.
Only an absolute weapon would deploy 'the technique' during a proper game.
It was dangerous though?
He knew he'd overran the ball, given we'd won the match and we've got the derby the next week he could've not put his foot in.
Easier said than done in the heat of the moment but still.
Is it physically possible to change where you land once you're already landing?
Before he made the movement to stick his foot out and land...
Also, actually, yeah you can change the movement of your foot and direction it lands in an instant can't you? Or am I superhuman?
I've almost been talked around here actually. But I still don't think an appeal would succeed. You can't get away from how Pogba lands on his leg.
Okay, sprint 10 meters, leap up in the air and before you fall try and land in a different spot than you naturally would without trying.
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Not landing in a different spot because that was inevitable, just don't land with your studs facing down on someone's leg. He could've pulled his foot back, probably would've then tripped over Bellerin's leg and fell himself but wouldn't have been a red.
As I said, he knew he'd overran the ball so he didn't need to go for it to begin with. Which makes where he landed afterwards irrelevant.
If your talking about Bellerin
I agree what moron defends like that.
It wasn't dangerous if Bellerin is defending, you know like a normal defender pogba does zero damage and gets the ball but Arsenal players do love the grass don't they.
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He didn’t applaud towards the ref, I think that’s an important deference. They’ll probably extend the ban anyway cause it’s Utd.
Ask Buzz Aldrin
“The United midfielder may say that it was not sarcastic or meant in protest at Marriner’s decision but rather aimed in appreciation of the away fans.”
And the FA would have no chance whatsoever of proving otherwise, even though it’s blatant clear he was being sarky to the ref
Yeah but that was really not the point though...
Slippery slope if this is red from now on...
He could say he was shouting support at the team and bench to win it without him.“The United midfielder may say that it was not sarcastic or meant in protest at Marriner’s decision but rather aimed in appreciation of the away fans.”
And the FA would have no chance whatsoever of proving otherwise, even though it’s blatant clear he was being sarky to the ref
However I THINK the mics pick up an awful lot more than we hear on tv unless there is a lot of noise so he may not get away with claiming he said something they know he did not.
There is no way that they can comprehensively prove it one way or the other. Pogba could just say he was applauding the fans.
The media clutching at straws again.
I hate telegraph, tory rag. We should appeal for the red card to be overturned in the first place.
Quite frankly this is the common sense understanding of the situation but people are somehow finding a way to twist and distort the facts of the matter and unfairly lay the blame on Pogba when there's literally nothing he could have done to avoid landing where he did as it's an impossibility just based off of basic physics.
It's even more stupid when you consider Pogba was going to be in a lose-lose situation regardless. It's either he play the ball and land where he did and we know how that unfolded. Or if he somehow could miracously manage to avoid stepping on Bellerin's leg, he would have flipped head over heals just off Bellerin's positioning and I wouldn't be surprised to see people pin the blame on Pogba somehow in such a case also. The fact it was a lose-lose situation says all there is to say about the stupid position Bellerin put both himself and Pogba in. And it's even more stupid considering people think because it was his leg that was stepped on it should be a harsher decision. Leg shouldn't have been there in the first place and if it was his foot that got stepped on it's essentially a guarantee Pogba at worst would have gotten a yellow but because it was a bigger limb wasn't. So if it was his head he stepped on (which likewise has no place being there) I'm guessing that'd be a 10 game ban going off this logic? Bigger the limb bigger the decision?
The irony after wishing injuries on city players karma at its finest.
karma at its finest.Who doesn't? The only difference is he said it out loud. We're all slightly pleased when an opposition rival player can't play against our team.The irony after wishing injuries on city players
This just tells me that you're biased. It's not a red card for me, you reverse the roles there and Bellerin stands on Pogba, not a red card.
I guess that's the difference between people who can't separate their own bias from decision making, and people who can.
If Karma existed then oil clubs like yours, City and PSG would not get the success they do. But in real life, the bad guy usually wins.The irony after wishing injuries on city players
Why people aren’t asking red for koszielnys headbut on matic, it was way more dangerous than pogbas ”challenge”? Imo both are yellows.
Sorry but this is so freaking stupid.. The other idiot puts his foot like that and it's Pogba's fault? So if for instance a player decides to head the ball from half a meter off the ground and the enemy player uses his foot we should call that dangerous play and call it a foul? Are we Joking here? Sure if it was a tackle then yes, but it's not and obviously the only cause to ban that move is if it's malicious, if let's say it's decided that it wasn't malicious shouldn't they then overturn the decision?
I hate to say it but a clear red card in my opinion. I think Pogba's temperament is questionable and he is a liability at times
This.
Complete rubbish.
Might as well start planning for the next 4-5 games without Pogba. It's clear the ban will be extended.
Leave Barry alone, that was his first post.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who has your view. Also, people have to take into account who the player is. In the 8 years or so I’ve watched Pogba play, I’ve never seen a malicious tackle from him. If it were Scholes or Keane, then I could understand the red card...but only on the basis of reputation.
Can't he just say he was applauding the fans.
According to my limb-to-decision-o-meter, head step would unfortunately cost said player the very minimum 10 games. Equivalent of 3 reds, easy.
@ the latter, that's what should happen but appeal processes don't always prevail with common sense logic for whatever reason. Btw below a response earlier to a reply that an explanation should be given either way, if the decision is upheld or not. Over here in Canada in the NHL that's the system used and it gives a lot of clarity to all parties involved. Don't get why football hasn't caught on to it yet tbh.
To those trying to debate whether its going to be overturned, its not. The FA will never overturn a decision like this because its a PR disaster. They will only consider decisions that have a consensus over them, because there is no backlash and they get a pat on the back for 'making the game better'.
Had Bellerin tackled properly, nothing would have come of it. Bellerin's technique meant a poor tackle from Pogba became one that on another day could have done some real damage.
I'd forgotten about that one. That was rescinded? He leaves the ground as he lunges absolutely no control. That one is way worse than Pogba's.