Everyone wants him to turn ''Heel''as in become a villain ,for years now. The WWE don't want to do that for whatever reason,and he himself says he sees no reason to do that.
The ''Heal''thing is just a play on words.
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The ''Heal''thing is just a play on words.
In regards to last nights NXT Tapings
Joe/Balor again at the next Takeover in June. Surprised if I'm completely honest but should at least see different build up and a different approach to the match now that the roles are reversed.
Athenna (Adrienne Reese) FINALLY made her debut and it was against Asuka. Sounds like a very good match, they've got to get this girl on TV more now.
Jax over Bayley is an interesting one.
Negatives: Erin Young made his debut and I can't fecking stand him.
Athenna (Adrienne Reese) FINALLY made her debut and it was against Asuka. Sounds like a very good match, they've got to get this girl on TV more now.
Jax over Bayley is an interesting one.
Negatives: Erin Young made his debut and I can't fecking stand him.
Absolutely. With his great match with Kushida as a barometer, I can see him get pretty far. If they signed him off that match alone...
Come to think of it, that match might be in the top 5 matches I've seen this year.
He had a match with Okada last year at RevPro that seemed to really shock Okada, he had a look on his face of "fecking hell this kid is ridiculous" by the end. It was on NJPW world as a freebie last I knew.
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That is about all I can muster. I've not stopped raving about that match yet.
Absolutely superb, brilliant clash of styles. Cant even count the amount of times I marked out during it.
Where would one be able to acquire said match?
Also, I have been thinking (shocker), and I want your opinions on this.
Will we actually see a payoff on the Bullet Club whatever thing at Payback? Think about it: Extreme Rules is 3 weeks later already, and it would be more than possible to keep the mystery going. Arguably, it's one of the more prominent and interesting storylines WWE has going now and I could easily see them go the route of having them lay out both Roman & AJ, making the main event of Extreme Rules a tag between Guns & Gallows and a reluctant AJ and Reigns. All leading up to the "puppet master" being revealed there. That could work right?
Will we actually see a payoff on the Bullet Club whatever thing at Payback? Think about it: Extreme Rules is 3 weeks later already, and it would be more than possible to keep the mystery going. Arguably, it's one of the more prominent and interesting storylines WWE has going now and I could easily see them go the route of having them lay out both Roman & AJ, making the main event of Extreme Rules a tag between Guns & Gallows and a reluctant AJ and Reigns. All leading up to the "puppet master" being revealed there. That could work right?
Youtube I watched it, search "Evolve 58 - Full Show" its about 1 hour 40 min in.
Gracias.
So, last nights NXT tapings.
I am pretty much done with this show now. It's a giant waste of time. It's a developmental that hasn't developed a single thing in 18 months, instead deciding to give Eric fecking Young and Austin Aries the shots. What the absolute feck. If I'm a young wrestler I'm staying well away from NXT if I have other options.
I mean what is the point? They have wrestlers there that have been grafting at this money haemorrhaging Performance Center for years that are being completely ignored for people that really shouldn't be there. You see any homegrown guy go straight into the mid card never to be seen again, because they won't immediately have Reddit's approval, how on earth is that a way to run developmental? The show itself is largely dross too, best description I heard was how Takeovers are the Wonderbra of wrestling and that nailed it. I legitimately can't remember the last good episode of NXT. Maybe the one that was actually just a documentary about Hideo Itami.
If you want to put big names in their they should not be facing each other, they should be in their with homegrowns to teach them, it's the whole point of having the system ffs. The last male to headline a Takeover that wasn't a big name signing was Tyler Breeze at Takeover Fatal Four Way. That was September 2014.
Oh well, I guess we have La Sombra (another big name signing) winning the GCS and getting main events to come. At least he's still developing though.
I mean what is the point? They have wrestlers there that have been grafting at this money haemorrhaging Performance Center for years that are being completely ignored for people that really shouldn't be there. You see any homegrown guy go straight into the mid card never to be seen again, because they won't immediately have Reddit's approval, how on earth is that a way to run developmental? The show itself is largely dross too, best description I heard was how Takeovers are the Wonderbra of wrestling and that nailed it. I legitimately can't remember the last good episode of NXT. Maybe the one that was actually just a documentary about Hideo Itami.
If you want to put big names in their they should not be facing each other, they should be in their with homegrowns to teach them, it's the whole point of having the system ffs. The last male to headline a Takeover that wasn't a big name signing was Tyler Breeze at Takeover Fatal Four Way. That was September 2014.
Oh well, I guess we have La Sombra (another big name signing) winning the GCS and getting main events to come. At least he's still developing though.
Fair points. It's more like the third brand than a development show now.
I know that is what it was supposed to be, it just doesn't work in the way he wants it too.
It's corny yes,but it's from Cena. So no suprises there.
I love the takeovers but stopped watching the weekly shows when Sasha got promoted tbh. With so much good wrestling out there, an hour a week is a fair chunk. Always just read the spoilers then check out anything worthwhile. Didn't look like there was much from last nights tapings.
@phelans shorts , if you care, Iwatani won the Cinderella tournament. Iwatani vs. Io for the World Championship and Hojo vs. Garrett for the Wonder Championship next month. Yoko Bito came out afterwards and announced she's returning after almost four years out 
TBH, its much less than an hour. Probably closer to 30 minutes than 40 minutes as well.
Great take by Brett Hart and bang on the money:
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...-hart-on-never-seeing-genius-out-of-triple-h/
"I'm always happy to be proven wrong, but I've never seen any real genius come from Triple H yet. I sound like I'm always knocking him, but it seems like he's quick to push the great wrestling to the side and push the bodies, guys who have [good] physiques, all the time. They wonder why CM Punk quit and they wonder why Daniel Bryan got hurt."
Add to that the constant pushing of Roman Reigns and it just gets too much.
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...-hart-on-never-seeing-genius-out-of-triple-h/
"I'm always happy to be proven wrong, but I've never seen any real genius come from Triple H yet. I sound like I'm always knocking him, but it seems like he's quick to push the great wrestling to the side and push the bodies, guys who have [good] physiques, all the time. They wonder why CM Punk quit and they wonder why Daniel Bryan got hurt."
Add to that the constant pushing of Roman Reigns and it just gets too much.
Yes, because Kevin Owens has a bodybuilder's physique. Also, the new NXT champion is hardly chiselled.
@phelans shorts , if you care, Iwatani won the Cinderella tournament. Iwatani vs. Io for the World Championship and Hojo vs. Garrett for the Wonder Championship next month. Yoko Bito came out afterwards and announced she's returning after almost four years out
I was expecting Hojo to win (I tend to just pick her no matter mind) and seeing that her and Santana went to a draw interested me, hearing that they are having a title match now has me hyped. I also do love random trophies in wrestling, and the winner getting a dress is certainly high up on my list of favourites.
Don't really know anything of Bito, was the Hojo/Satomura run and introduction of Chelsea last year that got me into STARDOM. She certainly seems to have generated a buzz though so I am very interested in seeing her.
Bret is just a bitter twat. There's little else to say about him. Not sure how exactly Triple H is to blame for years of brain damage Daniel Bryan picked up on the indies either but there you go. I'm hardly a Triple H fan either, as was probably apparent by my mini rant on the last page.
All these complaints about Roman Reigns getting a push and I'm yet to see a good suggestion of who would be better tbh.
The show itself doesn't sound too great outside of the final match but it's set things up beautifully for next month on the 15th with the two title matches. I think Hojo beats Garrett while Iwatani loses a close match against Io.
Bito returning will be interesting. Was set to be one of their main stars/faces before she had to retire. 3 and a bit years out will take it's toll. I think she'd be a star now had she not had to retire but how good she's going to be inside the ring now is a question mark. She was decent/good back before she retired with real potential and looked like she'd progress into a really good talent. Stardom's changed quite a bit since then though, announcement on it coming soon apparently, excited to see her finally back in the ring either way.
Owens would make a brilliant heel world champ, though they are running thin on heels who could lead the line, though I think if they let Bubba run with his bully ray persona he'd be great. I think Corbin will be amazing in a year or 2, love his gimmick, promos aren't too bad and his in ring style is quality. On the face side, Ambrose & Cesaro would be miles better than Roman.
Re the heels: I love Kev and think he would be a great champion, but that's completely beside the point of the Roman push, which is going with him as the main face. Bubba can get to feck like.
On the face side, you're looking at it incredibly narrow minded. The face is required to amongst other things promote the show, could you imagine Dean Ambrose being interviewed by Graham Norton, Jonathan Ross or whoever? He'd be a total embarrassment, and Cesaro would be little better. They're not going to help attract casual or lapsed fans. Roman handles himself very well in those situations.
This is WWE. In ring is one of the least important factors to being a key character there. Which is funny given how much better Roman's matches have been than Ambrose's like.
Roman's push is all Vince in my opinion, I feel Triple H went out of his way to try and bury Roman the best he could (crotch chop at the Rumble etc). Say what you want about Triple H the wrestler but he's doing wonders behind the scenes.
He certainly wants you to think that way. Meanwhile his vanity project is failing massively.
He can be bitter but that changes nothing about the fact that what he said is true. CM Punk was horribly treated with constant bookings against bodybuilder no talent 'wrestlers' like Ryback. Bryan's indie background if anything requires more caution, which I wouldn't expect WWE to do. Angle left after he asked for more rest and never really got it. The man literally broke his neck for the business FFS.
Yet to see good suggestions of who'd be better than Reigns? Take almost anyone. His vanilla mic skills and boring style negates any positive he has going for him. Kevin Owens, Styles, Ziggler, Cesaro, Zayn, Balor heck even Zack Ryder would get better ratings as the headline champ.
God almighty, how good is that Ospreay/Sabre Jr match at Evolve. I have Ospreay in two of my top 5 matches of this year (so far) already. Crazy.
Punk went over Ryback time and time and time again, it killed the Ryback's promising at that point career. Hell the idea that Punk being champion for 434 days is horrible booking is outright hilarious. Bryan was made to tone his style back immensely in WWE but the damage was already done, he was hiding seizures for a long fecking time.
Funny that you'd bring up Angle leaving, a man who got released when he refused to go to rehab on the WWE's dime. How dare they try to avoid anyone dying on their watch. I guess that doesn't fit the narrative like.
The only suggestion there that works is Zayn. See my last post for reasons. Think outside the bubble.
Marty Scurll is great.
I'm sure you'd be bitter of one of the guys that orchestrated the most elaborate screw job in wrestling history too. Allegedly it was Paul Lavesque that came up with the screw job finish to survivor series '97.
Talking of the Montreal screw job, who here thinks it was a work?
I was watching an interview the other day with X Pac, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash and all three unanimously agreed that they believed it was a work.
I was watching an interview the other day with X Pac, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash and all three unanimously agreed that they believed it was a work.
Jake Roberts as well.
I'm not talking about Punk being booked wrong from a momentum/story angle. I'm talking about an actual wrestler like CM Punk having to ride with imbeciles like Ryback. Countless times Ryback had botched moves, and WWE ignored CM Punk's blatant injuries for a while.
I think you need to revisit Angle leaving WWE, he's said multiple times that Vince wanted him to sign a contract which required full time bookings, which Angle's injury history didn't let him do. When Angle negotiated less than 300 days per year (ie not the easier contracts they have now), he had no choice but to leave.
You're probably the first and only person defending WWE's over booking of wrestlers and them favouring body builders over actual wrestling. Had it not been for the spotlight on that fact, we probably wouldn't have seen them reluctantly give KO et al. an actual whril.
And I read your latest post re. Reigns, I just disagree with it. Theres at least 10 guys in the locker room who would go over with considerably more conviction.
Oh I'm not saying he has to be best mates with the guy, but Bret is embarrasingly bitter. Whenever he says anything it's completely cringeworthy.
It was hardly elaborate mind. "Bret you're losing" "no I'm not" "why not just have him lose anyway?" is about it.
I can't believe people actually take CM Punk's words as gospel, it really is quite something. Especially when he's in the middle of getting his arse handed to him in court over his lies, but there you go.
Ryback was hardly Rickie Steamboat, but to say he was poor is outright wrong. He didn't feck up any more than notoriously sloppy worker CM Punk, for instance. He just wasn't an internet darling so didn't get a blind eye turned.
I'm fully aware of what went down. Kurt was a fecking state, WWE told him he had to go to rehab and he refused so they showed him the door. It was the obvious move from their side to be frank.
If you want to just start making things up I'm fine with that, like. I just like my wrestlers to perform to a high level, whether they came from bodybuilding (like arguable greatest of all time John Cena) or wanted to be wrestlers to start with (like my favourite wrestler around Katsuyori Shibata, albeit he took a break to do MMA). Kevin Owens is my favourite wrestler in the WWE, by quite some distance as it happens, but I know that I'm in the wrestling bubble. I know that if my dad was to change channel and see him he'd laugh and change the channel. Someone's look is very important to a casual/lapsed fan.
So go on then. Name me at least ten people in the WWE, aside from John Cena, who could do better on the media circuit, Make A Wish events and have as entertaining matches as Roman Reigns. Hell name me 3 and I'll be impressed, and remember You can't cater to the bubble as they'll watch anyway, you need to boost numbers elsewhere. It's called the business for a reason, bro.
I'm not just going by CM Punk's account. I've seen Ryback bocth many powerhouse moves that can seriously injure wrestlers, particularly in live house shows.
Kurt angle didn't want to work 300 days a week. That is ultimately why he's left. When you have so many wrestlers that are a state, either dying young or ending up addicted to drugs you have to question the system rather than the individuals. WWE is a slave driving business that refused to change until spotlight was shone upon it.
Except I'm not. Vince and HHH prefer bodybuilders. They know there is money to be made from the wrestling talent so they give the crowd what they want every now and again, but its quite obvious what they prefer.
I'm not even saying technical ability is the sole requirement - you have to be the whole package. But if you even bothered to read Brett's article you'd know thats the point he's eluding to. You've got HHH booking himself in for his 1000th title defence against a vanilla superstar thats booed by every stadium across the states. At the same time you have workers with the whole package and no recognition for it.
Yes, I love KO and he should be higher than he is. But he's not at the moment and probably wont be for a while looking at how WWE go about things.
Its apparent that we both have a different view on the WWE. I get that we have to bring in stars for all ages, but its foolish to think Amrbose, Ziggler, Zayn and Cesaro can't work the media. They're so over with the fans (perhaps not Ziggler of late, but he is in the doghouse tbf) its an obvious move that WWE continuously ignore.
and Hayabusa got crippled doing doing a lionsault that he did every match for 8 years. Droz got paralysed taking a powerbomb. Any move can cause injury. In fact I can't recall a single incidence of Ryback actually causing an injury that caused someone to miss shows.
This was after wellness so you can't really push the "they knew he was an addict and didn't want him to stop working so ignored it" narrative. He left because he refused to go to rehab. Kurt didn't get a say in his leaving once he turned down their more than generous offer (something he would actually take them up on in 2011, too little too late)
They think someone's look is very important. Do you know why they think that way? It's because it is. You put Kevin Owens face to face with Randy Orton and it looks embarassing. Now don't get me wrong, Michealangelo's David would look a state next to Randy Orton, but you can't deny the fact there.
Triple H shouldn't have been in the title picture, but in that injury crisis he had the chance to politic himself into that position. Good for him. He's very clever and is working the entire internet as has been shown these last few years. Roman Reigns is the closest thing to the total package right now, however I'm sure he works far too fast and entertainingly for Bret.
You say Roman is booed everywhere but so is John Cena, yet nobody and I mean nobody moves the business needle more than big match John. Roman is actually number 3 on that list iirc, with Brock Lesnar at number 2. That's not bad for a vanilla superstar that's overpushed.
My view is that they're a business and have to run as such. Ambrose is an embarassment on in house media ffs never mind the serious stuff (without talking his coming up to 3 year stretch without a high quality match). Ziggler will never be the face, he's far too slimy (that's before I go into my feelings on the performer). Cesaro is too much of a loose cannon and is always likely to ignore his orders or offend one sponsor or another.
Zayn I absolutely agree, but he's someone that needs a long term build due to his look.
The only thing I disagree with there is that Ambrose hasn't had any quality matches. His matches against Seth Rollins at least were very entertaining both for the storytelling and wrestling quality.
Having said that, I recognise that the obvious retort is that they were gimmick matches and he's yet to have a top quality normal singles match. He's had decent ones but yeah, nothing memorable.
Having said that, I recognise that the obvious retort is that they were gimmick matches and he's yet to have a top quality normal singles match. He's had decent ones but yeah, nothing memorable.
He does come across as a bit of a Canadian Victor Meldrew.
His recent comment about not being bothered about showing up at the Payback PPV was incredibly stupid. If you don't wanna participate then don't agree to it!
More like Bret Halfhearted amirite lads
His worst one was blaming Samoa Joe for Tyson Kidd's injury when it was apparent it was merely the straw that broke the camels back (that's far too close to being literal…).
I do chuckle whenever he has a go at "sloppy dangerous" workers and never fails to mention that he and Owen never hurt anyone.