That is exactly when pkayer's reputation comes in pictures. DDG has played for United for 450+ times since 2011. How many times he rolled in pain while the ball is still in play near him leaving goal post empty. Do you have sizeable data to put a high probability of he faking it?
Looked like he was trying to con a foul to me (and many other posters on here)
The worst sin he did was not face the play, had he off, he could have at least made an effort to save it. The problem a lot of us are having, we've all been in situations in games where you get hurt, you stay up until play has gone and then if needed take a breather. He took a chance thinking an Arsenal player "fouled" him, and got punished for it.
This is the problem here. You're just giving opinion and being subjective. You don't know De Gea wasn't injured nor do you know he thought it was an Arsenal player that stood on him.
He was actually injured or trying to cheat is anybody's guess. No one can claim to be 100% sure. You need to rely on past reputation, his previous such shenanigans if any and then draw probability.
There's not a chance he's play acting in that situation, when has he ever done anything like that before?
don't be silly - you look at his behaviour at the present time more than anything, and he started running after the ref after he gave the goal!!! Can't have been in that much pain could he - as others have pointed out, painful? sure - enough to spend a minute on the floor curled up like he'd been shot? embarrassing.
This was my take seeing it live.
All we can do is be subjective here? I know from experience that a stamp in the foot/heel/ankle, yes it hurts, but in no way does it cause someone to fall like that and stay down. That's just footballers being footballers. Every footballer also knows instinctively that if the opposing player didn't foul you, that there is no use in rolling around on the ground. Common sense dictates that De gea wouldn't have abandoned the play had he known it was Fred.
You've never seen him go down after a corner? Because i've seen it plenty of times since his time here - he one of the weakest set pieces Gk's in the league.
I don't even see it that way, if it was all the way around I would expect us to take advantage of it.
I dont believe that for a second.
Faking an injury? no. There's a difference between being clattered and pretending to be hurt.
So basically you don't have sizeable data of similar incidents to call him cheat. Ok then.
No you're just blindly trying to defend the undefendable based on his 'respect' and history...
I think this is correct.
Hmm I find it hard to believe he would do such a meek volley without knowing the keeper was down. Think he would have known he was down through his peripheral vision.
No we can be objective and say that the goalkeeper was down with an injury. That's what we know happened and that's how we must interpret it.
No he's actually been one of my favourite players. Just have to be honest and call it what it is. He should have done his job and then gone down - like all the other keepers have done unless it was serious injury.
Did you even see the incident? You're acting like nobody actually touched him. Fred quite clearly stands straight on the back of his achilles heel.
No, I am approaching it scientifically by trying to take a context and see if I have sizeable data to predict a conclusion. Without good data there could be bias.
if he's in that much pain he can't stand on his leg then what can he do?
Scientifically? Jesus. That unfathomable that a football player would gain an advantage huh?
Nothing to gain? He tried to get a foul and stop play as he felt a boot step on him. It's what every goalkeeper does, stop a dangerous sequence and relieve pressure. Only it wasn't an Arsenal player and that's why nothing was called.
It's not like he saw the guy about to shoot and fell to the floor is it? He got studded right on his ankle and went down.
Look - this has happened to me many times playing football, you hobble or drop to a knee and it hurts to jog for a few mins, in this time teammates have unknowingly passed the ball to me and i just stop it or kick out of play - you don't fall flat on the floor in fetal position and then chase the ref a minute later. Get real.if he's in that much pain he can't stand on his leg then what can he do?
do you really think he's going to just jump on the floor and pretend he's hurt in the hope that somebody notices?
It wasn't even a dangerous situation at that point, the ball is heading high outside of the box ffs.
It's quite clear to me who the lads are that haven't played any type of football or contact sport in general for a long time. They've forgotton how painful things can be
Have you ever had any type of injury? Literally every footballer exaggerates every contact. There's almost no knock that actually causes you to drop down like that, put your face in the floor and roll around in pain. It's not about pain tolerance. Nobody is that soft where you need to roll around like that if nothing is broken or you didn't get shot by a fecking gun. Professional footballers do it all the time and we accept it, it is what it is, but let's not pretend like it isn't all just for show to win a foul. Go to a Sunday league game and suddenly there is much less time wasted by a player pretending to be hurt. They just get up and get on with it.
The ball was cleared to over 20 yards out.
Yeah its laughable to be honest. Some people actually seem to think that this rolling around all footballers do is actually a genuine reaction? I thought everyone knew it was just a big exaggeration but just part of it to highlight the foul. If you didn't get shot, you didn't break something, didn't tear a muscle or ligament or tendon, why are you rolling around? There are very few things that cause pain to that degree that results in what De Gea did (or most footballers do at any foul). Hell, even with a broken bone adrenaline can usually push through the pain for a bit of time until you need to lay down.
It was the edge of the box, passed first time to ESR for a first time shot. Stop exaggerating. This isn't a conversation that happens if it happened at the other end.
Exactly. DDG should be embarrassed at that.
i think it just people trying trying to defend him out of blind loyalty really - its all i can put it down to! I love the player, but sometimes you just have to call it what it is.
I haven't played competitively in years but from what I remember anything to do with feet getting raked or trodden on hurt the most.
This is an important part of the rule I’m guessing. Means that the goal shouldn’t have stood.
