The transfer fees thread

[golden_blunder]

I see many people still thinking that we will spend €80m or thereabouts on Sancho this summer, whilst still talking about other players too.

I want to know what’s peoples genuine thoughts on this?

United have lost £118m at last count.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.mir.../man-utd-deloitte-football-money-23385371.amp

I personally can’t see us spending 80m on one player when we have several holes to fill. I think we will see more 20-30m targets

 

[Zen86]

I think we’d struggle to get much for 20-30m knowing our track record and wealth. That said, I don’t think we’ll spend 80m on one player, and to be honest I sincerely hope we don’t. 50-60m seems to be the sweet spot for value (if you can call it that) vs quality.

 

[Rustyspider13]

I agree that we won't spend 80m on a single player. I hope that we spend around 100m on 2 first XI players, one of them being a RW, before considering any sales (Lingard, Bailly etc.). I think it's a reasonable expectation but I won't be surprised if it doesn't happen. Last summer showed who the real power players are in the pandemic window and they aren't non-oil backed clubs.

 

[stubie]

Personally I think we will get 1 marquee signing along with 2/3 others in the region of £25m-£30m

 

[golden_blunder]

Personally I think we will get 1 marquee signing along with 2/3 others in the region of £25m-£30m

How much do you think the marquee player will cost?

 

[golden_blunder]

I think we’d struggle to get much for 20-30m knowing our track record and wealth. That said, I don’t think we’ll spend 80m on one player, and to be honest I sincerely hope we don’t. 50-60m seems to be the sweet spot for value (if you can call it that) vs quality.

I think we are looking at players almost out of contract and young players

 

[MetoTTT]

Personally I think we will get 1 marquee signing along with 2/3 others in the region of £25m-£30m

This summer? Oh my!

 

[crossy1686]

The Athletic are suggesting one marquee signing around the fee of £70m and then two more at less than half that fee.

Transfer kitty will be bolstered by sales or Lingard, Romero, Tuanzebe, Pereria etc.

 

[stubie]

How much do you think the marquee player will cost?

If it’s Sancho then I’d go £75-80m, the club may look to structure a deal with annual payments for a few years rather than spend it all at once.

 

[Giggsy13]

The Athletic are suggesting one marquee signing around the fee of £70m and then two more at less than half that fee.

Transfer kitty will be bolstered by sales or Lingard, Romero, Tuanzebe, Pereria etc.

Lingard is the only player we’ll get a fee for the rest will be full or partial savings on wages from Romero leaving and presumably Axel and Andreas sent out on loan. We may have a transfer budget then of roughly £100 million.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I see many people still thinking that we will spend €80m or thereabouts on Sancho this summer, whilst still talking about other players too.

I want to know what’s peoples genuine thoughts on this?

United have lost £118m at last count.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.mir.../man-utd-deloitte-football-money-23385371.amp

I personally can’t see us spending 80m on one player when we have several holes to fill. I think we will see more 20-30m targets

All values will come down. The first few transfers will give the market context. If we go in at £80m for Sancho early in the window we are stupid.

For once I’ll be happy to do our business late.

 

[crossy1686]

Lingard is the only player we’ll get a fee for the rest will be full or partial savings on wages from Romero leaving and presumably Axel and Andreas sent out on loan. We may have a transfer budget then of roughly £100 million.

Lingard will go, probably as part of a swap deal for Rice if that option is there. Romero, Cavani, Pereria, Mata, maybe sales of Tuanzebe, De Gea and Baily also. That's a huge saving on salaries which can probably be used towards transfer fees. We've got about £100m in the kitty but also a good line of credit for another £100m if we wanted to.

 

[golden_blunder]

If it’s Sancho then I’d go £75-80m, the club may look to structure a deal with annual payments for a few years rather than spend it all at once.

If it’s structured, happy days

 

[crossy1686]

If it’s structured, happy days

Almost all of them are. Maguire was the only one we got our pants pulled down on. The was an exception.

 

[finneh]

Courtesy of Swiss Ramble. EBITDA is usually the best metric ("losing" £118m actually means a turnover reduction of £118m, but expenses reduced by over £64m at the same time meaning an impact of less than £54m to EBITDA)

 

[golden_blunder]

All values will come down. The first few transfers will give the market context. If we go in at £80m for Sancho early in the window we are stupid.

For once I’ll be happy to do our business late.

I agree

 

[golden_blunder]

Courtesy of Swiss Ramble. EBITDA is usually the best metric.

Ok is that showing a loss of 132.1m or am I misreading it?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

To spend £80m on Sancho and only get £25m for our own promising young talent (Lingard) would be ridiculous.

 

[sun_tzu]

Ok is that showing a loss of 132.1m or am I misreading it?

It's showing we have 250m less cash!

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Courtesy of Swiss Ramble. EBITDA is usually the best metric ("losing" £118m actually means a turnover reduction of £118m)

This is pretty useless in isolation. It would have value when looking at Ridsdales Leeds side. The above needs to be measured against all clubs. Everyone will have a similar pattern.

 

[finneh]

Ok is that showing a loss of 132.1m or am I misreading it?

Operating loss of £13.2m. Loss after tax of £23.2m.

However EBITDA is generally a better metric or what we could potentially spend which is £132m

This is pretty useless in isolation. It would have value when looking at Ridsdales Leeds side. The above needs to be measured against all clubs. Everyone will have a similar pattern.

It depends what you're using it for. If it's to predict transfer fees in the market I'd agree. If it's to predict United's possible spend then I think it's as useful as any information out there.

Just to compare City's EBITDA was -£2m fueled by turnover decrease of £57m and expenses increasing by £62m.

So to compare the two would be £132m (United) vs £-2m (City). Last year it was £186m (United) vs £118m (City). A drop of £54m (United) vs £120m (City)

Chelsea turnover down £39m, expenses down £16m meaning a drop in EBITDA from £43.5m to £27.5m

 

[golden_blunder]

Looking at the table again you can really see the money lost on broadcasting, sponsorship, retail etc

 

[Ødegaard]

I think the club can pay 80 million for a player.
I don't think it will.

With Europe and especially England being vaccinated by next season, we'll see people back at games, but at which capacity and if that would stay, increase or decrease is hard to say, and the uncertainty makes me think that clubs will be careful with spending money.

Unless the absolute right player becomes available in the clubs eyes, then I think the highest transfer fee we will see from the club will be in the 40-50m ballpark.

 

[Zen86]

I think we are looking at players almost out of contract and young players

I’d be surprised if we went for youth. We’re really at a point where we need to recruit for next season, rather than the future. nearly out of contract would make sense if there’s anyone decent available, but that’s a big if.

 

[finneh]

Again courtesy of Swiss Ramble:

 

[Bwuk]

I'd rather we only signed 1 marquee player than signed 3 or 4 players at 30m mark.

 

[golden_blunder]

I'd rather we only signed 1 marquee player then signed 3 or 4 players at 30m mark.

3 at 30m each or 4 at 30m each
So either 90m of 120m BEFORE a marquee player?
Where’s all the money coming from?

 

[Bwuk]

3 at 30m each or 4 at 30m each
So either 90m of 120m BEFORE a marquee player?
Where’s all the money coming from?

Sorry, I meant sign one player for 90odd million rather than sign 3/4 players for the combined total.

 

[golden_blunder]

Sorry, I meant sign one player for 90odd million rather than sign 3/4 players for the combined total.

Ahhh I see

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I see many people still thinking that we will spend €80m or thereabouts on Sancho this summer, whilst still talking about other players too.

I want to know what’s peoples genuine thoughts on this?

United have lost £118m at last count.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.mir.../man-utd-deloitte-football-money-23385371.amp

I personally can’t see us spending 80m on one player when we have several holes to fill. I think we will see more 20-30m targets

I don’t think people are saying we will spend £80m on Sancho

But that’s what it would take, at least

Dortmund have every right not to sell him at a remarkably cut price £60m. There’s not really much point. May as well get 2 more seasons of Sancho while he’s approaching his peak

 

[dinostar77]

We all know Utd are looking for a CB partner for Maguire, so depending on who that is and how much he costs will influence the amount left for other transfers. Hopefully we arent too greedy in selling lingaard and price him out of a move.

I dont understand the posters who think Utd will sign a RW when we have to find game time for Diallo and Pellestri will be back next season. Personally i think RW is 0% chance of a signing. CB and backup RB i think personally are nailed on. After that i think it depends on who we shift out.

 

[golden_blunder]

I don’t think people are saying we will spend £80m on Sancho

But that’s what it would take, at least

Dortmund have every right not to sell him at a remarkably cut price £60m. There’s not really much point. May as well get 2 more seasons of Sancho while he’s approaching his peak

Ok, that’s what they may ask for but I don’t think United will be prepared to pay it

 

[charlenefan]

The Athletic are suggesting one marquee signing around the fee of £70m and then two more at less than half that fee.

Transfer kitty will be bolstered by sales or Lingard, Romero, Tuanzebe, Pereria etc.

I think the transfer kitty will be dependent on sales, when was the last time we sold anyone and used that money to bring in additional players? Romero leaves on a free as well, hopefully we can get money for the likes of Andreas and Dalot though

 

[crossy1686]

I'd rather we only signed 1 marquee player then signed 3 or 4 players at 30m mark.

So one first team player and a bunch of shite back up to go with it?

Surely it makes more sense to buy 2 first team players instead?

 

[Bwuk]

So one first team player and a bunch of shite back up to go with it?

Surely it makes more sense to buy 2 first team players instead?

I meant than rather than then. Typo.

 

[Leftback99]

I'd be very surprised if we spend even £80m net. It's always lower than most think, even before covid.

 

[crossy1686]

I don’t think people are saying we will spend £80m on Sancho

But that’s what it would take, at least

Dortmund have every right not to sell him at a remarkably cut price £60m. There’s not really much point. May as well get 2 more seasons of Sancho while he’s approaching his peak

Do you really think a selling club that don't win anything are going to let a cash cow walk away for nothing? How are they ever going to close the ground on Bayern if they don’t have the funds to at least compete for decent players? Holding Sancho and reducing his value makes zero sense for Dortmund.

 

[crossy1686]

I meant than rather than then. Typo.

Ah okay, with you. Totally agree.

 

[crossy1686]

I'd be very surprised if we spend even £80m net. It's always lower than most think, even before covid.

£70m and Pereria.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Courtesy of Swiss Ramble. EBITDA is usually the best metric ("losing" £118m actually means a turnover reduction of £118m, but expenses reduced by over £64m at the same time meaning an impact of less than £54m to EBITDA)

Oh how I'd love to get the back up details on those expenses