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Feck's sake...
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Just as in the past – when we created the Air Force – establishing a #SpaceForce is an idea whose time has come. The space environment has fundamentally changed in the last generation. What was once peaceful and uncontested is now crowded and adversarial.
 

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There is actually footage of people getting assaulted at Trump rallies. I remember one where a woman was punched.
 

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I personally don't think you're wumming but as far as the bolded goes, is that you using some kind of colloquialism or do you really think left wing fascism is a thing?
Short answer Yes.

If you believe fascism is total state control that suppresses and oppresses it's people, particularly the opposition, then I think far left and far right groups aspire to that. It is their way or the highway and power is more important than serving the people. The controlling party will then select their leader from within their party rather than the people effectively creating a dictatorial environment and anti democracy.

For me when one group thinks they are above another and start to suppress the other group, controlling education, media, communication and entertainment you have the foundation to indoctrinate the population you are on a slippery road. Most of the western world has significant parts of that in place. The eastern world already have it in place.
 

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I see Melania Trump's parents became US citizens today. Using the same family reunification program that president Trump has publicly derided as chain migration. No hypocrisy there :houllier:
 

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thoughts on those plastic assualt rifles?

for me I can now make all those western revolvers and paint them like those toy airplanes.
Going to be a lot of people in the US missing fingers and thumbs soon. A few eyes put out as well.

Neglible impact on the murder rate. They require a metal firing pin, which can be difficult to conceal through airport security. Standard ammunition, too, so the "undetectable" argument is somewhat farcical.

They seem to make the 2nd Ammendment crowd happy because they believe no one will know that they have these guns. Except the the NSA will know exactly who downloaded the blueprints and everything else they've done online.

All in all, nothing to see here.
 

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Short answer Yes.

If you believe fascism is total state control that suppresses and oppresses it's people, particularly the opposition, then I think far left and far right groups aspire to that. .
In other words, you just made up your own definition of a thoroughly well-studied ideology so that you could use the nonsense phrase "left-wing fascism". On a left-right political spectrum fascism is per definition on the far right. At least your reasoning went beyond the usual "The Nazis had the word socialist in their name", but I'm still not very impressed.
 

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I see Melania Trump's parents became US citizens today. Using the same family reunification program that president Trump has publicly derided as chain migration. No hypocrisy there :houllier:
Holding up for that reason? divorce in a few months?
 

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In other words, you just made up your own definition of a thoroughly well-studied ideology so that you could use the nonsense phrase "left-wing fascism". On a left-right political spectrum fascism is per definition on the far right. At least your reasoning went beyond the usual "The Nazis had the word socialist in their name", but I'm still not very impressed.
Well debunked and explained. Bravo!
 

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Feck's sake...

The space environment has fundamentally changed in the last generation. What was once peaceful and uncontested is now crowded and adversarial.
Does nobody remember the cold war? Reagan's Star Wars is forgotten even by Republicans?
 

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It's Trump's play for posterity.
 

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Going to be a lot of people in the US missing fingers and thumbs soon. A few eyes put out as well.

Neglible impact on the murder rate. They require a metal firing pin, which can be difficult to conceal through airport security. Standard ammunition, too, so the "undetectable" argument is somewhat farcical.

They seem to make the 2nd Ammendment crowd happy because they believe no one will know that they have these guns. Except the the NSA will know exactly who downloaded the blueprints and everything else they've done online.

All in all, nothing to see here.
thanks for your thoughts.

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In other words, you just made up your own definition of a thoroughly well-studied ideology so that you could use the nonsense phrase "left-wing fascism". On a left-right political spectrum fascism is per definition on the far right. At least your reasoning went beyond the usual "The Nazis had the word socialist in their name", but I'm still not very impressed.
You free to define it how you want, as I did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism
 

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Short answer Yes.

If you believe fascism is total state control that suppresses and oppresses it's people, particularly the opposition, then I think far left and far right groups aspire to that. It is their way or the highway and power is more important than serving the people. The controlling party will then select their leader from within their party rather than the people effectively creating a dictatorial environment and anti democracy.

For me when one group thinks they are above another and start to suppress the other group, controlling education, media, communication and entertainment you have the foundation to indoctrinate the population you are on a slippery road. Most of the western world has significant parts of that in place. The eastern world already have it in place.
I hear you. What you describe sounds more like standard authoritarianism rather than fascism so to speak. But I understand the two are often conflated, much like communism and authoritarianism. So while far left and far right authoritarian minds share authoritarian characteristics, I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea of left wing fascism or right wing communism.
 

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You lot will be telling me next that when United fans are singing about "kicking a blue" or "He's only a poor little scouser" and so on they are inciting United fans to go around kicking blues or bricking scousers, because we are a captive audience so we must be dumb as shit.
This is a disingenuous analogy. If Mourinho or Woodward or the great Sir Alex went around telling fans to beat up Scousers and kick blues, then you'd have a point. But they don't do that. In fact, Ferguson preached respect towards the Scouse, especially in the testing times of Hillsborough and the aftermath.

Trump, as has been proven with video evidence in this thread alone, has told his supporters to beat up protesters, who also happen to be his constituents. Can you imagine if Angela Merkle or Mourinho said that? They would rightfully be fired.

Not sure what you're defending here or what point you're trying to make.
 

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Trump has cut funding for education, housing, food stamps and other things.
Wants tens of billions for a department whose functions are already carried out by the Air Force. How the feck are the Dems losing on messaging?
 

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As for the quotes about inciting violence, snopes was the site I saw, not snoop (autocorrection), and someone has already posted that. If people believe that those statements are inciting republicans to go about beating up democrats then we are way off the same page. I already said that he did say those words, but the videos put it in context. This is not even on the same page as what Maxine & co have said to their supporters. Evidence would suggest it is republican voters getting attacked, not democrats. It also seems to be OK with many on here.
Are you referring to her telling supporters to confront administration members? If so, I agree that that wasn't a good move on her part, but how is it not on the same page as literally encouraging people to "beat the crap" out of someone? Actually it isn't on the same page, because confront leaves some ambiguity on whether it's meant as verbal confrontation or physical. Beating the crap out of someone is much more clear.

On the subject of Trump rallies. Even if some of the attendees are very smart (I'm sure there's one or two) you spectacularly underestimate the power of herd mentality in us humans. We can stoop to great lows when confronted with peer pressure. For sources of this you need not look further than recent history.

I won't say you're on the WUM, because I'm sure Trump has actual supporters. After all the yanks elected him as their president, but come on, you can at least admit that it's less than presidential to tell people at a rally to beat the crap out of someone. Regardless of fecking context.
 

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I am a brit, not an american. I am not a republican or democrat. However, living here it is wise to understand what is actually going on. The comments on here are very one sided and misleading. I am not wumming, that is a weak argument for being challenged. I am arguing against what I see as left wing facist comments on here by many. The hatred and rhetoric against fellow citizens is amazing. The comments that reflect one section of the population is below another is amazing.
You're trying to shoe horn most of the stuff Trump (who is actually displaying signs of a fascist leader - in reality!) does - into "perspective" while at the same time calling people on the internet fascist because they discuss these actions with strong opinions? That's just comical.

In other words, you just made up your own definition of a thoroughly well-studied ideology so that you could use the nonsense phrase "left-wing fascism". On a left-right political spectrum fascism is per definition on the far right. At least your reasoning went beyond the usual "The Nazis had the word socialist in their name", but I'm still not very impressed.
Actually that's not correct as far as I know. Fascism is a rather open phrase, there is no one correct definition. If you look at it from a strictly historical perspective (Mussolini, Hitler) then of course it's inherently right wing, but if you look at fascism as sort of a general political concept then it isn't bound to the left or right.
 
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