UK Gov to pay up to 80% of wages of employees unable to work due to the coronavirus pandemic

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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51982005

It will pay 80% of salary for staff who are kept on by their employer, covering wages of up to £2,500 a month.
Other measures to support firms and workers included:

  • VAT payments by companies deferred until the end of June
  • Interest free cash grants to small businesses
  • Self-assessment income tax payments for July 2020 deferred for six months
  • Increase in standard Universal Credit of £20 a week, with the same rise for those still on the working tax credit scheme
  • Nearly £1bn for those struggling to pay rent, through increases in housing benefit and Universal Credit

Figured this was probably worthy of its own thread. I know of friends back home in the UK that will find this a huge relief and I imagine many more will too.
 

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Have they clarified whether people will have to pay back the wages they receive from government?
 

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I dread to think of how this will be financed. I guess for businesses it'll be a smash and grab job manipulating the system as aggressively as possible on the principle that they'll be getting pillaged in the coming years to pay for it.
 

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As if it's not bad enough the country is in lockdown its going to be bankrupt now too
 

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Wouldn't that come under business and so they'd apply for the business grants?
I don't think so, it seems you have to have a rateable premises to qualify, and that rules out a whole swath of the smaller self employed businesses if that is right (maybe not?), I'm not saying all can't work, but many won't be able to, or will have their incomes decimated very quickly, it seems like a gaping hole in the workforce has been overlooked for now.
 

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As if it's not bad enough the country is in lockdown its going to be bankrupt now too
The economy is fecked whatever they do. If people can’t afford to live and people start going bankrupt and losing their homes en masse, it’s going to be fecked even quicker, plus there would be a massive crime surge and you could forget about sensible social distancing to actually stop the virus spreading.
 

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I'm actually looking at a 6 month forecast and wondering if we have to lay off staff now or can hold on to people... I'm actually a bit unsure what happens with ni contributions and paye tax on the gov scheme... Would be helpful to have clarity ... I think based on what they announced at least 10 more people I'm confident of keeping on full wages for another month at least so yeah I think it's good.

I'm sure down the line is the we bailed out businesses (because we forced them to close) and now business has to foot the bill with larger taxes but short and medium term it's probably the logical thing to do

Stuck a grand on rishi being next pm... Think he will get the benefit from the bailout and Boris carry the can for the inevitable shit that's heading to the fan
 

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I along with 4 others, was made redundant yesterday. Half the company. Been told by my CEO he's reconsidering after today's announcement. Coronavirus ain't going to kill me, it'll be my heart not being able to keep up.
 

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Boris Johnson is the best Labour Prime Minister in living memory.

Also refusing to curb personal freedoms in the face of extreme pressure.

Socialist Liberalism in action.
 

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And for the one man band self employed amongst us ?...
But you've all got your money stashed away under the floorboards so you don't have to pay tax, right?

Nah, joking, it actually looks a bit shit for the unemployed, self employed and disabled and they need to rectify that asap. The thing I don't think a lot of people are realising is how much more money we're having to spend on food and goods. Not because people are jacking up prices or anything but because instead of being able to do s weekly shop at the same cheap place we're having to get bits and bobs at smaller shops that generally charge more anyway. The offer for a lot of people is derisory and it fecks over a lot of people.
 

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Lacks the detailed info though
Who pays PAYE taxes
Employers nic
Employers pension conts
Not in there...

Also how about if somebody who earns 50k... They can work from home but won't be that productive... Will this pay part wages (unclear) or do I have to sack them
Just move to the US and possibly get a one time $1,000 payout.
 

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Capitalism doesn’t exist, as soon as there is any pressure on the free market we socialise huge swathes of it. It’s a bloody con.

Now I think this is exactly the right thing to do, it just annoys me that those with Power can use capitalism to hoard wealth but drop it and nationalise an economy when needed.

If socialism is good enough for a crises it’s good enough full stop!
 

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The economy is fecked whatever they do. If people can’t afford to live and people start going bankrupt and losing their homes en masse, it’s going to be fecked even quicker, plus there would be a massive crime surge and you could forget about sensible social distancing to actually stop the virus spreading.
Shut down the economy for 2-3 months with people losing their jobs and homes en masse and how exactly is the economy supposed to get going again when it opens up? People need money in their pocket once the shutdown is over to get the economy going again. The government has be moved by necessity here and nothing else.
 
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Shut down the economy for 2-3 months with people losing their jobs and homes en masse and how exactly is the economy supposed to get going again when it opens up? People need money in their pocket once the shutdown is over to get the economy going again. The government has be moved by necessity here and nothing else.
Isn't that exactly what Kentonio is saying to the other poster? 80% wage contribution to workers that have been furloughed, cash grants to SMEs, deterred VAT and business rate payments etc; it's all designed to keep cash moving.
 

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Lacks the detailed info though
Who pays PAYE taxes
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Not in there...

Also how about if somebody who earns 50k... They can work from home but won't be that productive... Will this pay part wages (unclear) or do I have to sack them
You dont sack anyone thats the point. You temporarily close your business and keep paying your employees 80 percent of their salary up to 2500 per month.

If your business can work from home this is effectively irrelevant to you
 

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Isn't that exactly what Kentonio is saying to the other poster? 80% wage contribution to workers that have been furloughed, cash grants to SMEs, deterred VAT and business rate payments etc; it's all designed to keep cash moving.
:lol:

I was agreeing with him! Badly phrased. I'm just curious as to what people think could have happened otherwise though.
 

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Lacks the detailed info though
Who pays PAYE taxes
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Not in there...

Also how about if somebody who earns 50k... They can work from home but won't be that productive... Will this pay part wages (unclear) or do I have to sack them
Presumably you'll furlough them for 2/3 months and pay them 2.5k via the government subsidiary, and top that up to fill wage if you can afford it.

And for the one man band self employed amongst us ?...
I'm fairly confident they'll announce something next week.
 

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Support for zero hours workers seems nonexistent and the UC increase is abysmal.

I think they'll have to do more. Bloody hope so, anyway. Huge amounts of Brighton's working population is on zero hours jobs in hotels, pubs and restaurants.
 

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I'd like something similar in Ireland because I don't see how people will be able to afford rent in Dublin on 203e per week, although there is talk of freezing mortgages and rent here which would help.

Still, it won't happen here because it would cost a fortune and I assume it's going to cost the UK a fortune too. Can it really be financed without putting you in massive debt?

Also wouldn't it sway some companies to lay off their workers rather than pay them and thus more jobs are lost?
 

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Support for zero hours workers seems nonexistent and the UC increase is abysmal.

I think they'll have to do more. Bloody hope so, anyway. Huge amounts of Brighton's working population is zero hours jobs in hotels, pubs and restaurants.
Should base it on the average of their jan and feb pay cheques then apply the 80 percent and 2.5k limit to that or something.

Its tough to work out for non salaried staff and self employed. Think they need more time.

Also company directors that take a low salary and top up with dividends are in a bind as well.
 

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I'd like something similar in Ireland because I don't see how people will be able to afford rent in Dublin on 203e per week, although there is talk of freezing mortgages and rent here which would help.

Still, it won't happen here because it would cost a fortune and I assume it's going to cost the UK a fortune too. Can it really be financed without putting you in massive debt?

Also wouldn't it sway some companies to lay off their workers rather than pay them and thus more jobs are lost?
They dont lay them off. They are furlonged, ie as soon as this is over they come back to work for the business. Its to stop businesses laying staff off.

They gave debt holidays and postponed rates, now they'll cover 80 percent of salaries hoping the business can reopen after and keep the employees.
 

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This is a very welcome policy for me... the business I work for in the events industry has been hit hard by this.

I’m currently working and I think the liklihood of the business having the sales and cash flow to pay me at the end of this month is minimal... let alone the following months. They also won’t want to lose staff during what will be a temporary virus related slump in business.

I was looking at the scary prospect of being employed still, with little or no pay and therefore, not being in a position to claim any sort of benefit.

The down side to this is that it won’t be in place for another 6 weeks or so and I’d like to have more detail. I’d be surprised if there isn’t something in the small print ruling out swathes of businesses from applying.
 

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Should base it on the avsrage of their jan and feb pay cheques then apply the 80 percent and 2.5k limit to that or something.

Its tought to work out for non salaried staff and self employed. Think they need more time.

Also company directors that take a low salary and top up with dividends are in a bind as well.
Yep that's the issue I face. I'm going to have to have a word with my accountant monday morning and see what we can do or I'm royally fecked as those business loans aren't for me either.

So far they've really not covered all bases with these plans.
 

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Support for zero hours workers seems nonexistent and the UC increase is abysmal.

I think they'll have to do more. Bloody hope so, anyway. Huge amounts of Brighton's working population is on zero hours jobs in hotels, pubs and restaurants.
How would you even begin to calculate zero hour contracts and what people should be paid? Bearing in mind I’ve seen so many zero hours be paid cash in hand which is illegal anyway, so no proof of what they’ve been earning?
 

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But yes SSP needs looking at and quick. Nobody can live of £94 a week ffs. Even Matt Hancock said as much the other day so you’d think they’d be looking at it.

I do worry where this leaves our economy when we come out the other end. Presumably with the shrink in GDP, Brexit and a worldwide recession we’ll be once more facing a huge deficit and the prospect of more cuts and Tory austerity. But what else is left to cut? Are we fecked?
 

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How would you even begin to calculate zero hour contracts and what people should be paid? Bearing in mind I’ve seen so many zero hours be paid cash in hand which is illegal anyway, so no proof of what they’ve been earning?
Given a lot of them will be immediately having to apply for benefits what you can do is raise UC to a level where people can afford both rent and food or you can freeze the rents.
 

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Yep that's the issue I face. I'm going to have to have a word with my accountant monday morning and see what we can do or I'm royally fecked as those business loans aren't for me either.

So far they've really not covered all bases with these plans.
I don't think so, it seems you have to have a rateable premises to qualify, and that rules out a whole swath of the smaller self employed businesses if that is right (maybe not?), I'm not saying all can't work, but many won't be able to, or will have their incomes decimated very quickly, it seems like a gaping hole in the workforce has been overlooked for now.
I'm in same position as you guys. Can't see any money coming in for the next 3 months at least.
 

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Given a lot of them will be immediately having to apply for benefits what you can do is raise UC to a level where people can afford both rent and food or you can freeze the rents.
They offered more help to people on uc renting. I didnt actually read that part of the publication but im fairly certain he mentioned something yesterday about that
 

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They offered more help to people on uc renting. I didnt actually read that part of the publication but im fairly certain he mentioned something yesterday about that
It's feck all.
 

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But yes SSP needs looking at and quick. Nobody can live of £94 a week ffs. Even Matt Hancock said as much the other day so you’d think they’d be looking at it.

I do worry where this leaves our economy when we come out the other end. Presumably with the shrink in GDP, Brexit and a worldwide recession we’ll be once more facing a huge deficit and the prospect of more cuts and Tory austerity. But what else is left to cut? Are we fecked?
If they give it out and we end up spending it, will it eventually not work its way back into the system via tax and vat etc anyway?
 

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Watching BBC Breakfast just now.
Stephen Barclay, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, when questioned if self-employed workers can expect any further measures to help them in the coming weeks just skirted around the question completely.
Bit concerning.