United's wage bill (2020 version)

[Bastian]

Could only see old threads for this. Anyhow, I'm now seeing in the DM ( ) that the top 10 wage bills are thus:

Barca £438m
United £332m
City £315m
Real £312m
Liverpool £310m
Bayern £292m
PSG £290m
Chelsea £285m
Juve £281m
Arse £230m

But UEFA recently released information about the top 2018 wage bills:

Barca £453m
Real £369m
PSG £289m
United £286m
Bayern £270m
City £267m
Liverpool £255m
Chelsea £236m
Arse £232m
Juve £224m

The DM story is about Liverpool's wage bill soaring since 2018. My question is, are those figures (the former list) accurate and do they reflect the 2019 financial year?

Another question - what's the breakdown for the wage bill? Is it only wages and bonuses paid out to playing staff? I'm just speculating in my head about the wages of each player and only come up to about 180m combined in wages (not including bonuses) even being generous with my calculation. Anyone know how this is put together?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Could only see old threads for this. Anyhow, I'm now seeing in the DM ( ) that the top 10 wage bills are thus:

Barca £438m
United £332m
City £315m
Real £312m
Liverpool £310m
Bayern £292m
PSG £290m
Chelsea £285m
Juve £281m
Arse £230m

But UEFA recently released information about the top 2018 wage bills:

Barca £453m
Real £369m
PSG £289m
United £286m
Bayern £270m
City £267m
Liverpool £255m
Chelsea £236m
Arse £232m
Juve £224m

The DM story is about Liverpool's wage bill soaring since 2018. My question is, are those figures (the former list) accurate and do they reflect the 2019 financial year?

Another question - what's the breakdown for the wage bill? Is it only wages and bonuses paid out to playing staff? I'm just speculating in my head about the wages of each player and only come up to about 180m combined in wages (not including bonuses) even being generous with my calculation. Anyone know how this is put together?

Everyone's probably getting more then you think... + Sanchez, Rojo and Smalling might be counted too.

If the figures are accurate or course

 

[V.O.]

I'd be shocked if even half of what City's players and Pep actually get from Abu Dhabi is on the books.

 

[yumtum]

Sure I read that United include all staff in these totals whereas the likes of City jist include players?

If not then United's wage bill going up the same amount as Liverpool's is shocking.

 

[Bastian]

Everyone's probably getting more then you think... + Sanchez, Rojo and Smalling might be counted too.

If the figures are accurate or course

Yeah, maybe so. Here's a generous speculative effort

Spoiler: speculation

Grant 30
Romero 100
de Gea 350
Maguire 200
Smalling 100
Jones 100
Bailly 100
Linfelof 100
Rojo 100
Tuanzebe 60
Dalot 60
Shaw 150
Young 120
AWB 120
McTominay 100
Fred 120
Matic 120
Bruno 200
Pogba 300
Sanchez 450
Mata 180
Lingard 150
James 60
Pereira 60
Rashford 200
Martial 200
Greenwood 40
Ihgalo 100
Henderson 40
Williams 20
Chong 20
Gomes 20
Garner 20

that includes Smalling, Sanchez, Rojo, Henderson and Young. Approx 212m. Leaving them out about 30m less (factoring in half of Sanchez' wages - such is this precise science!). So either the wages are completely off the mark in my guestimation, bonus payments make up a ton of money, or I'm missing some other factors in the total amount.

 

[T_Model101]

We've wasted a hideous amount of money on players that aren't good enough over the last few years
But then again, if the club is making tonnes hand over fist in corporate sponsorship deals, then surely the players should be adequately compensated for that..?
Just makes it so hard to move the players on, Mateo Darmian is Parma's highest paid player now for example....

 

[bond19821982]

Yeah, maybe so. Here's a generous speculative effort

Spoiler: speculation

Grant 30
Romero 100
de Gea 350
Maguire 200
Smalling 100
Jones 100
Bailly 100
Linfelof 100
Rojo 100
Tuanzebe 60
Dalot 60
Shaw 150
Young 120
AWB 120
McTominay 100
Fred 120
Matic 120
Bruno 200
Pogba 300
Sanchez 450
Mata 180
Lingard 150
James 60
Pereira 60
Rashford 200
Martial 200
Greenwood 40
Ihgalo 100
Henderson 40
Williams 20
Chong 20
Gomes 20
Garner 20

that includes Smalling, Sanchez, Rojo, Henderson and Young. Approx 212m. Leaving them out about 30m less (factoring in half of Sanchez' wages - such is this precise science!). So either the wages are completely off the mark in my guestimation, bonus payments make up a ton of money, or I'm missing some other factors in the total amount.

No way that's true. Some of them you just pulled up from sky I guess

 

[simonhch]

1. We have moved on some significant earners in the last 6-12 months, reducing overall squad numbers. The players we’ve brought in have largely been younger and come in for reasonable wages.

2. The club missed out on UCL qualification meaning many bonuses were not paid out, and many players had penalty clauses in their contracts.

Looking at the economics externally, I see no way out wage bill will not be lower in 2020, than it was in 2019. Unfortunately we still had many of the high earners in the books through the summer of 2019.

 

[Bastian]

No way that's true. Some of them you just pulled up from sky I guess

As I was at pains to explain many times over, this is pure speculation, and I am intentionally exaggerating these figures to see if I can get at a figure close the reported overall.

 

[lostcauz]

The £332m in wages is from the financial report released in june 2019. By my rough calculations we’ve shaved off £47m per year (only including permanent transfers + Rojo contract running out) with New player wages sitting at £26m PY (with Ighalo)

Total wages in June 2020 should be at the £311m mark. I haven’t taken into account any renewal (De Gea + Rashford + ?) of contracts or Gomes/Chong/TFM/CBJ (£6m PY) contracts running down.

If none of the above renewed then our total wages should be in the £305m to £310m range.

 

[kidbob]

Let's be honest Liverpool's wage bill is about to go up extensively when they win the League. There is no longer 'playing for love of the club' anymore so all their high earners will want more and the 'lower' earners will want more too.

 

[Viral United]

Yeah, maybe so. Here's a generous speculative effort

Spoiler: speculation

Grant 30
Romero 100
de Gea 350
Maguire 200
Smalling 100
Jones 100
Bailly 100
Linfelof 100
Rojo 100
Tuanzebe 60
Dalot 60
Shaw 150
Young 120
AWB 120
McTominay 100
Fred 120
Matic 120
Bruno 200
Pogba 300
Sanchez 450
Mata 180
Lingard 150
James 60
Pereira 60
Rashford 200
Martial 200
Greenwood 40
Ihgalo 100
Henderson 40
Williams 20
Chong 20
Gomes 20
Garner 20

that includes Smalling, Sanchez, Rojo, Henderson and Young. Approx 212m. Leaving them out about 30m less (factoring in half of Sanchez' wages - such is this precise science!). So either the wages are completely off the mark in my guestimation, bonus payments make up a ton of money, or I'm missing some other factors in the total amount.

I think this wages are before tax.

 

[Wumminator]

It needs to be acknowledged that Ole getting the wage bill under control is going to have fantastic long term ramifications for United. After our last manager completely blew our wage bill; Ole has been fantastic in correcting it.

 

[Ish]

It needs to be acknowledged that Ole getting the wage bill under control is going to have fantastic long term ramifications for United. After our last manager completely blew our wage bill; Ole has been fantastic in correcting it.

This, definitely. Now just to shift Sanchez (permanently), Lingard and Jones (plus a couple others). Which would make space for 2-3 big signings without any increase in the wage bill.

Also....Barca. I assume getting rid of Messi (eventually) alone, would drag them in line with the rest.

 

[cyril C]

It needs to be acknowledged that Ole getting the wage bill under control is going to have fantastic long term ramifications for United. After our last manager completely blew our wage bill; Ole has been fantastic in correcting it.

Well, adding a DOF, plus 2-3 assistant Manager, some designers for the web site, also blow up the wage bill.

 

[Wumminator]

Well, adding a DOF, plus 2-3 assistant Manager, some designers for the web site, also blow up the wage bill.

i don’t really get what you mean by this sorry. Is this a serious point?

 

[bond19821982]

As I was at pains to explain many times over, this is pure speculation, and I am intentionally exaggerating these figures to see if I can get at a figure close the reported overall.

That's way way way off - come on, even speculations needs to have some merit to be even considered as a speculation

 

[cyril C]

i don’t really get what you mean by this sorry. Is this a serious point?

I believe our wage bill should include all staff wage, not just players wages. I believe it includes women team as well. I am just not sure whether the Barca wage bill is inclusive of their basketball team player wages. I don't know whether Stadium workers are employee hence under Wage, but according to Annual Report, additional games hence additional cost went under Other Operating Expenses, so perhaps majority of Stadium workers are part time hence pay per games.

All of these are peanuts compared with player wages, but not DOF, Asst managers because they are paid in millions, whether you like it or not.

From FFP perspective women team would be excluded.

 

[Aouer-United]

This, definitely. Now just to shift Sanchez (permanently), Lingard and Jones (plus a couple others). Which would make space for 2-3 big signings without any increase in the wage bill.

Also....Barca. I assume getting rid of Messi (eventually) alone, would drag them in line with the rest.

They didn't even include Greizmann's €800K per week and De Long's €400 per week.

 

[Zen86]

I assume City’s is much higher than that in reality.

 

[Red00012]

Yeah, maybe so. Here's a generous speculative effort

Spoiler: speculation

Grant 30
Romero 100
de Gea 350
Maguire 200
Smalling 100
Jones 100
Bailly 100
Linfelof 100
Rojo 100
Tuanzebe 60
Dalot 60
Shaw 150
Young 120
AWB 120
McTominay 100
Fred 120
Matic 120
Bruno 200
Pogba 300
Sanchez 450
Mata 180
Lingard 150
James 60
Pereira 60
Rashford 200
Martial 200
Greenwood 40
Ihgalo 100
Henderson 40
Williams 20
Chong 20
Gomes 20
Garner 20

that includes Smalling, Sanchez, Rojo, Henderson and Young. Approx 212m. Leaving them out about 30m less (factoring in half of Sanchez' wages - such is this precise science!). So either the wages are completely off the mark in my guestimation, bonus payments make up a ton of money, or I'm missing some other factors in the total amount.

That’s some attempt at guessing wages

 

[kundalini]

Another question - what's the breakdown for the wage bill? Is it only wages and bonuses paid out to playing staff? I'm just speculating in my head about the wages of each player and only come up to about 180m combined in wages (not including bonuses) even being generous with my calculation. Anyone know how this is put together?

It is the total wage bill for everyone at the club, including part-time staff on match days, players, coaches, ground-staff, hotel, cafe, shop, museum, administration, execs, medical and physios, scouts, marketing, media. United employ almost 1000 people full-time, with temporary match day staff on top of that.

As a general rule of thumb, assume the first team squad plus the manager, take up 2/3 of the wage bill. For United, I would imagine it is lower than that. 60% might be a reasonable assumption.

 

[Andycoleno9]

How City can wages lower than us? How? They have olsyers on the bench who came as stars

 

[RyRy11]

How City can wages lower than us? How? They have olsyers on the bench who came as stars

Like others have said, I'd imagine a lot of the wages City players get isn't on the books. Most likely a similar story for PSG too.

 

[Amarsdd]

Like others have said, I'd imagine a lot of the wages City players get isn't on the books. Most likely a similar story for PSG too.

there's a reason why no big clubs come after their players and their players never play up for new contracts and such.

 

[sp_107]

Rashford-200K,Martial-250K,Greenwood-15K,James-50K,Alexis-250K (Another 250K from Inter) =760K/W =40M/Year
Lingard-80K, Mata-150K, Pogba-290K, Matic-120K, Fred-120K, SMT-30K, Perrera-30K,Bruno-100K =920K/W =48M/Year
Shaw-150K, Rojo-80K, Jones-100K, Baily-80K, Maguire-190K, Lindelof-120K, AWB-90K, Dalot-30K =850K/W =44M/Year
DeGea-375K, Romero-70K, Grant-30K =475K/W =25M/Year

160M in total per year for players, what's happening to other(330-160) 170M?

 

[OleGunnar20]

I assume City’s is much higher than that in reality.

Absolutely.

There's a reason nobody comes sniffing around their players, their wages are I imagine, astronomical when you start counting what's under the table.

 

[sp_107]

If I am Ed, I will sell DDG(70M), Pogba(100M), Smalling (20M), Lingard(15M), Perrera(15M), Rojo(10), Jones(10) and release Matic, Alexis in this summer.

so we can get 240M plus 70M/year savings on wages. Then we can start replacing out field players with more quality.

 

[bond19821982]

If I am Ed, I will sell DDG(70M), Pogba(100M), Smalling (20M), Lingard(15M), Perrera(15M), Rojo(10), Jones(10) and release Matic, Alexis in this summer.

so we can get 240M plus 70M/year savings on wages. Then we can start replacing out field players with more quality.

Who will pay 70m for DDG ?

 

[RyRy11]

there's a reason why no big clubs come after their players and their players never play up for new contracts and such.

Exactly. You hardly ever see the papers write a story about City players wanting a huge pay increase.

 

[Ish]

They didn't even include Greizmann's €800K per week and De Long's €400 per week.

Seriously? 800k per week?

 

[Bastian]

That's way way way off - come on, even speculations needs to have some merit to be even considered as a speculation

I'll say this more clearly: I was intentionally embellishing the wages to get closer to that reported total. I would fine it interesting to know what each player is actually earning though I wasn't trying to generate that debate.

It is the total wage bill for everyone at the club, including part-time staff on match days, players, coaches, ground-staff, hotel, cafe, shop, museum, administration, execs, medical and physios, scouts, marketing, media. United employ almost 1000 people full-time, with temporary match day staff on top of that.

As a general rule of thumb, assume the first team squad plus the manager, take up 2/3 of the wage bill. For United, I would imagine it is lower than that. 60% might be a reasonable assumption.

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

It needs to be acknowledged that Ole getting the wage bill under control is going to have fantastic long term ramifications for United. After our last manager completely blew our wage bill; Ole has been fantastic in correcting it.

I think Ole made the right moves in trying to get rid of some and managing to do so with others. Of course, it was a bit haphazard with not adding more depth, but that's for another thread. If Ole really does carry on after the summer, I expect him to sell 3-4 players in the summer and manage to replace at least some of them with quality. He definitely does some things that are really needed.

But that list reported by the DM seems to cover 2019, meaning between '18 and '19 our wages went significantly up. And we don't know by how much wages have gone down since Ole started making moves. We do know that some non-essential players have been rewarded with new deals since Ole came in. We still have a lot of players earning much more than they could conceivably earn in top European leagues.

It's probably tricky to keep the squad happy with a new wage strategy that impacts more recent recruits when some squad players are nowhere near justifying their deals.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

I'd be shocked if even half of what City's players and Pep actually get from Abu Dhabi is on the books.

Exactly, you cannot believe any numbers from them.

 

[mariachi-19]

non playing staff wages for United is probably somehwere around 40 million including execs, coaches etc.

Aside from Woodward and Ole, I very much doubt there are alot of non playing staff at the club earning in excess of 1 million.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Rashford-200K,Martial-250K,Greenwood-15K,James-50K,Alexis-250K (Another 250K from Inter) =760K/W =40M/Year
Lingard-80K, Mata-150K, Pogba-290K, Matic-120K, Fred-120K, SMT-30K, Perrera-30K,Bruno-100K =920K/W =48M/Year
Shaw-150K, Rojo-80K, Jones-100K, Baily-80K, Maguire-190K, Lindelof-120K, AWB-90K, Dalot-30K =850K/W =44M/Year
DeGea-375K, Romero-70K, Grant-30K =475K/W =25M/Year

160M in total per year for players, what's happening to other(330-160) 170M?

I think there will be another 10-20m per year for our 20-30+ youth players, assume they all get around 5-10k per week?

There will be wage bill for our manager, coaching staff and scouts too? Previously Mourinho gets to paid around 15m per year, not sure how much Ole get now. If we also count the compensation paid for manager sacking, it cost us another 20m for Mourinho alone (I am not good at accounting, but sure it has to be counted somewhere else if its not count on wage bill or transfer fee?).

How about our stadium staff and management? Where will their wage bill deduct from? How much money we paid Woodward per year anyway? Do our chairman get paid too? Other large public listed company chairman usually get paid alot too.
But surely I guess it doesn't adds up to 332m, perhaps a few years ago during Mourinho era? I think currently somewhere around 200-250m will be more accurate figure?

 

[tenpoless]

Can buy myself an island with that money.
Pogba and Sanchez must be the top earners. One doesn't play and the other plays in Italy.

 

[OldRed1]

Can buy myself an island with that money.
Pogba and Sanchez must be the top earners. One doesn't play and the other plays in Italy.

Occasionally.

 

[sp_107]

Rashford-200K,Martial-250K,Greenwood-15K,James-50K,Alexis-250K (Another 250K from Inter) =760K/W =40M/Year
Lingard-80K, Mata-150K, Pogba-290K, Matic-120K, Fred-120K, SMT-30K, Perrera-30K,Bruno-100K =920K/W =48M/Year
Shaw-150K, Rojo-80K, Jones-100K, Baily-80K, Maguire-190K, Lindelof-120K, AWB-90K, Dalot-30K =850K/W =44M/Year
DeGea-375K, Romero-70K, Grant-30K =475K/W =25M/Year

160M in total per year for players, what's happening to other(330-160) 170M?

I think there will be another 10-20m per year for our 20-30+ youth players, assume they all get around 5-10k per week?

There will be wage bill for our manager, coaching staff and scouts too? Previously Mourinho gets to paid around 15m per year, not sure how much Ole get now. If we also count the compensation paid for manager sacking, it cost us another 20m for Mourinho alone (I am not good at accounting, but sure it has to be counted somewhere else if its not count on wage bill or transfer fee?).

How about our stadium staff and management? Where will their wage bill deduct from? How much money we paid Woodward per year anyway? Do our chairman get paid too? Other large public listed company chairman usually get paid alot too.
But surely I guess it doesn't adds up to 332m, perhaps a few years ago during Mourinho era? I think currently somewhere around 200-250m will be more accurate figure?

You are right. Even we add up all those things it should be max around 250M