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Lately the vast majority of you have become some right depressing gits. And every thread seems to be a slate on a manager who I think is being criminally underrated.

Personally I see potential and beginning of another great United team. I can't even get this current United team to win a league on Football manager. It's too imbalanced, slow and weak. If van Gaal finishes 3rd and wins the FA Cup with it, he has performed a miracle.

We need a second season under van Gaal. And should we add strength in the right areas over the close season, I can only see us getting better and playing a style more associated with van Gaals attacking style.
 

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I agree....I think if he gets the players he needs in the summer then we have the makings of a brilliant and balanced team next season. We don't need that many players but we need Depay, Nainggolan and Marquinhos/Miranda and all those players are very get-table.

I think Van Gaal will do another major clean out too and will probably get rid of the likes of Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Evans, Falcao etc
 

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Said it in another thread, we will only improve. I've still got total faith in what he's doing.
 

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Van Gaal has my absolute support. I think a fair bunch on here have had their expectations too high in terms of the quality football the team has been showing. Coming into an entirely new club trying to implement your strategies and management styles while also bringing in a lot of new players does not produce perfect results over night. Hearing LVG comment the other day about wanting to go after another midfielder tells me understands the balance issues and will be actively looking to fix it.

Van Gaal will get it right, just look at the guy's CV - he is too good of a manager not to be successful at Manchester United. Next season will be completely different. People need to have a bit of patience - and some optimism as well.
 

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Yep I'm in agreement, he has my support.

The reactions on here are so precious sometimes.

We're 3rd, playing tumescent football yes but we're still 3rd and in with a good shout at the FA Cup.

If we secure top 4 and get in some quality replacements this summer we will be back challenging next year.
 

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I agree that Van Gaal will get us playing much better and create a much more balanced team in his second season, but that doesn't mean the criticism is unwarranted. He's taking some very bizarre decisions. His selection policy is a mess and often his subs are too. People have the right to criticize him for that.
 

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The guy obviously knows what he's doing and is a good manager with the personality to strive at a club like this....
However, at the moment, it's very easy and understandable if some of us are becoming disillusioned with the football we're playing.

It's abysmal at times

If he gets top 4 then, job done and we can hopefully build on that
 

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I think most people here support him, they just don't like the kind of football we're seeing.

But it's a process, if we get top 4 this season then I don't care if we're hoofing it up to Fellaini every game. Sort all that shit out in the summer when he has already assessed the squad enough and has time to sort out what needs to be done.

We'll be right back to square one if we sack him. Besides, there's no one else out there.
 

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Definitely. We're on course for a better season than we could have expected results-wise. The pretty football can come later.
 

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I support LVG, we're 3rd which is pretty much where I think the squad should be.
I think he's had to track back a bit though, you know from the start of the season where he said it would take 3 months for him to wip the team into shape.
Anyway I think hes doing an OK job, not a great one, but an OK one, and when he gets the players he wants in the summer we'll see what happens next season. However I do feel the fans have a right to question/critisise especially when he is making some questionable decisions which haven't always paid off.
 

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For me, this season is about getting back in the CL and nothing else. That's the objective and so far he's achieving it, if he wins a Cup then it's an unexpected bonus. To expect him to come in and get the team playing attractive football with such an imbalanced squad and still get top 4 is unrealistic expectations in my eyes. We've lost once in our last eighteen games, so it's incorrect in my view for people to claim we are in bad form and don't look as good as our rivals. We are ahead of them, and although the system isn't pretty, it's effective, and that's all it has to be this year.
 

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I think he's had to track back a bit though, you know from the start of the season where he said it would take 3 months for him to wip the team into shape.
Yeah, he quite clearly underestimated the league with that comment.
 

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I agree with the OP, I think way too much of the negativity is based off Herrera not starting and Rooney not playing up front, but I think LvG is heading in the right direction and hearing him openly say he needs another CM to balance the midfield out and return Rooney to a forward role is music to my ears as I think he's right. So for me we need to knuckle down and hope we get across the finish line in 4th, then we can get the squad properly structured with LvG now knowing the club, the league, his players with a full season under his belt.
 

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He has my full support indeed.
Or overestimated his ability... which he doesnt seem to have much of.
More likely he overestimated the quality of players he had available to him. Injuries though didn't help in this case. The team were better after his 3 months gestation period though.
 

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I still believe he has the support of a very large majority of posters, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be criticised or questioned.
Again, it comes down to the mentality that the Caf can have no grey areas. It seems that everything has to be black or white in this place, if you criticise him you’re a spoilt fan or a glory hunter, if you praise him then you’re a top red or a super fan.

I still think he’s the man to bring us forward in the short term, but that doesn’t mean we have to accept strange formations/tactics and dull football, it’s a football forum and these things should be discussed and debated
 

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The majority of our realistic fans said top four was the aim at the start of the season and we are on course for that. The football badly needs to improve, though. There will unfortunately be no change in that aspect of things until new personnel arrive. Getting top 4, coupled with good summer transfer business, should make us a much more attractive outfit.
 

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I just can't get my head around the fact that he plays Rooney in midfield, he claims because there's no-one else. What about Herrera? Mata? Fellaini?

Rooney should be back up front as RvP & Falcao aren't doing enough for me. It's criminal that Herrera isn't getting enough chances, and I do think Mata should be playing every match in behind the striker(s).

Van Gaal is getting criticised and quite rightly so IMO.
 

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I don't get why people have all of a sudden decided it's either you've got to be 100% satisfied with van Gaal or you want him gone?

Some of the stuff he does pisses me off and is baffling, I'm allowed to say that surely without wanting him sacked? It's not like van Gaal is the only manager to ever be questioned. We just had years of success so it seems slightly alien that we are struggling. It's also not very much the "United way" to play the kind of football we're playing this season.

I hope he does stick around as I think he could be a success, people are allowed to criticise him though without being called depressing etc.
 

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I just can't get my head around the fact that he plays Rooney in midfield, he claims because there's no-one else. What about Herrera? Mata? Fellaini?

Rooney should be back up front as RvP & Falcao aren't doing enough for me. It's criminal that Herrera isn't getting enough chances, and I do think Mata should be playing every match in behind the striker(s).

Van Gaal is getting criticised and quite rightly so IMO.
Sorry, but you didn't read the thread title, there are plenty of threads to criticise Van Gaal, this one isn't for that.

Top 4 is the priority, so far things are working out. I think he is worth persevering with and am fairly confident he will get things right in the end.
 

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LvG deserves the criticism - exactly the same way Moyes did.

We are on a C.L spot - and if we finish there at the end of the season, Great. But the way we are playing football at the moment (or not playing football) - anything else than a C.L spot is unacceptable. You can't both be among the most boring teams in the League and not get results, when you have spent that kind of Money.

But he has 3 months to change my mind
 

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It's hardly a miracle to win a FA Cup with no Chelsea/City/Southampton/Spurs and finish third with a squad that has seen 230 million invested in it over the past 18 months. So far we've faced Yeovil and Cambridge in the FA Cup, it's hardly a massive achievement that we're still in the competition.

It's fair to say people are being too pessimistic and that LVG deserves more time but he's not being criminally underrated by any means. He deserves the stick he's getting. It's not been impressive at all.
 

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Swansea away at the weekend is such an unbelievably huge game for Van Gaal and Man Utd. It's like a cup final for us. If we can scrape a win then the players will have the belief that they can get results in tough away games. If we lose then all our rivals will be level with us in the table. A draw doesn't do us much good either. We really have to start showing that we can get results away at tough away grounds like Swansea etc I think we'll have a much better idea of our top 4 hopes after Swansea and being in the top 4 will play a huge part in whether we can get certain players in the summer or not
 

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It's hardly a miracle to win a FA Cup with no Chelsea/City/Southampton/Spurs and finish third with a squad that has seen 2.3 billion invested in it over the past 18 months. So far we've faced Yeovil and Cambridge in the FA Cup, it's hardly a massive achievement that we're still in the competition.

It's fair to say people are being too pessimistic and that LVG deserves more time but he's not being criminally underrated by any means. He deserves the stick he's getting. It's not been impressive at all.
2.3 billion?
 

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Yup, I'm also still in that same Van Gaal support group and think he deserves the time to put his own stamp on the team. Based on historical evidence he is one of the, if not the premier manager in terms of handling clubs in transition, revolutionizing a stale playing style, motivating players to reach a newer level and overall just molding a better, more cerebral playing culture that inevitably pays dividends in the longer run. Even though he isn't directly responsible for the success Bayern is enjoying now like a lot people suggest, it would be disingenuous to deny the fact that he brought some youngsters along, extracted the best out of certain players in different positions, retooled the tactics a lot etc. Even at Barcelona, he didn't leave as great a legacy as we'd like to think but still did a lot of good in the first spell, second one not so much apart from maybe bringing Iniesta and Valdes into prominence.

However, to be fair it's also not exactly hard to fathom why a lot of supporters are rapidly losing faith, perhaps justifiably so. Van Gaal immediately brings a giant cautionary warning at whichever club he joins. He has always been a bit of a mad genius so there's an almost equal chance of things going well and everything going tits up. He has that innate ability to alienate just about everyone and has the propensity for treating his players like inanimate interchangeable objects and that worries just about every supporter of every club that employs him, it just cannot be denied. Because we're United supporters first and foremost and the club is the primary focus of our attention, we can't just rely on blind faith for the manager and I do hope that the upper management decision-makers are perceptive in terms detecting warning signs, like say Bayern were before a total meltdown ensues.

For the here and now though, some of the criticism though a bit hyperbolic in certain cases in justified. We aren't playing close to the anticipated level in terms of squad ability, even I as a Van Gaal supporter I just can't deny that we are under-performing a bit, particularly given the attacking personnel at our disposal. In his defense, we like to appropriate all of the blame on the the team's defense but the lack of fluidity and cohesion in the attacking third isn't directly proportional to your weakness at the back. Now I don't expect a sudden overhaul of what's been a symptomatic issue from Fergie's later years, but there are very few signs of improvement particularly when we have the likes of Di Maria and Herrera who can inject some purpose into every touch. The tactics seem a bit reactionary and overly timid at times, predicated on containing rather than playing to our strength and the United Way - which isn't necessarily about wing-play and such but more a euphemism for clever goal-scoring attacking play.

It's like the manager is treating the anomalous Leicester game as a microcosm of our performances and has consequently mapped a very pragmatic blueprint going forward for away games and the attacking play is suffering as a result, leading to a lot of dropped points vs lower opposition. A lot of the substitutions are genuine head scratchers and not to stir the hornet's nest, overall there's just too much tinkering with tactics and playing certain individuals out of position even though better alternatives are currently in the squad. Then there's the perceived sense of favoritism which don't necessarily agree wih but nevertheless it has been discussed in detail elsewhere - in terms of repeatedly fielding under-performing players while denying others the opportunity to really show what they can do on a more frequent basis. Dunno just seems a bit hypocritical and counterproductive at times.

EDIT : Bah that sounds a bit negative for this thread... Anyway, I'm still optimistic and feel that he'll come good, and rectify the frailties in terms of personnel and system in the coming months and seasons. Yes seasons, because if he's still here in 2-3 seasons, that'll means we're doing well and winning silverware. :)
 
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It's even more embarrassing when we lose or draw how some on here react!

The media make it really hard for LVG and he can't fully express himself I feel as if his lack of English, but what he don't need right now is us getting on his back!

Our fans shouting "442" during and after a game was out of order, I'm against 3-5-2 myself and I think match going fans have a right to express there opinion BUT do we know more then a top European manager about tactics? We need to let him get on with his job and we should carry on with ours "supporting" Man UTD....
 

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I support Van Gaal and have been moderately impressed with some of the work he has done. He's managed to get away wins against Arsenal and Southampton, while managing to beat Liverpool 3-0 at home (slightly lucky of course). Also the late draws against Chelsea, West Brom and West Ham suggest he has somewhat restored that never say die attitude into the team.

He has made some mistakes though. He has underestimated the competition in the league and has found it far more difficult to implement his style on the team as a result. Our play has been very slow at times which doesn't suit the league and the constant tinkering (sometimes necessary) has cost us results. Our poor away form has left us in a difficult battle for the last 2 UCL positions with some very strong teams whose form is really starting to click while we have our tough run of fixtures to come.

Nonetheless, we are in third place so he must be doing something right. Realistically, our team still has some way to go before we can go head to head with Chelsea and City for the league. He has tried to cover up for our defensive frailties with the 3-5-2, which has led us to some very good results and despite us not liking the fact that Rooney is in CM when our strikers are finding it hard, there is a lot of sense and reason behind it. We need a player with his qualities in the middle, so he must play there.

Still a long way to go in the season and hope we can get third place. Van Gaal might not be a long term solution but the teams he has managed went on to do greater things after building on his foundations and I reckon he can do the same with us.
 

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It's even more embarrassing when we lose or draw how some on here react!

The media make it really hard for LVG and he can't fully express himself I feel as if his lack of English, but what he don't need right now is us getting on his back!

Our fans shouting "442" during and after a game was out of order, I'm against 3-5-2 myself and I think match going fans have a right to express there opinion BUT do we know more then a top European manager about tactics? We need to let him get on with his job and we should carry on with ours "supporting" Man UTD....
Fans letting the manager know what they want is NOT out of order.
 

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It's even more embarrassing when we lose or draw how some on here react!

The media make it really hard for LVG and he can't fully express himself I feel as if his lack of English, but what he don't need right now is us getting on his back!

Our fans shouting "442" during and after a game was out of order, I'm against 3-5-2 myself and I think match going fans have a right to express there opinion BUT do we know more then a top European manager about tactics? We need to let him get on with his job and we should carry on with ours "supporting" Man UTD....
So they don't have the right to express their opinion?
 

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Lately the vast majority of you have become some right depressing gits. And every thread seems to be a slate on a manager who I think is being criminally underrated.

Personally I see potential and beginning of another great United team. I can't even get this current United team to win a league on Football manager. It's too imbalanced, slow and weak. If van Gaal finishes 3rd and wins the FA Cup with it, he has performed a miracle.

We need a second season under van Gaal. And should we add strength in the right areas over the close season, I can only see us getting better and playing a style more associated with van Gaals attacking style.
Come off it. Half the reason the squad is so imbalanced is because of the players Van Gaal decided to sign and let leave. It wouldn't be a miracle anymore than it'd be getting out of jail, since I reckon a top four finish would buy him another season even if the whining continued.

It's not the position in the league that people are unhappy with, it's the god awful standard of football. THe misuse of our own players, and general poor management.

Van Gaal goes on about wanting to sign another midfielder, fine, but he let two leave, and even with his main one injured still leaves capable midfielders on the bench. It it was my money he wouldn't be getting it unless he could come up with a pretty good explanation for the current situation. One of the midfielders he doesn't use is one who was signed AFTER he took charge.

This is the other issue with Van Gaal. He talks so much crap it's unreal. People like managers or leaders who can talk the talk, but only if there is substance to it. If there isn't or if it starts contradicting itself, it goes the other way and people just start getting anonoyed with listening to bullshit.

I would say he can still turn it round, and top four will buy him the time to do that, but the standard on the pitch will have to get a LOT better, regardless of where we sit in the table.

I think the caf is actually quite pro Van Gaal compared to what you generally hear from people away from here or at the games....and again, no one is that unhappy with 3rd place, it's what they see on the pitch they don't like
 

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He still has my full support but feck me if it isn't a drag to watch them right now. However all I need to do to snap out of it is remind myself of being at OT last season and watching us get utterly humiliated by both Liverpool and City. They were two of the most abject defeats I have seen in almost 50 years of watching United and coming in the space of little more than a week it felt like we were disintegrating (which indeed we were). We have come on in leaps and bounds and will only get better.
 

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I have been a critic of Van Gaal and rightfully so - his decisions have been awful at times and the team is clearly not performing as it would under another manager or in a more suitable system

Despite this my optimism stems from 2005....

That season Fergie in his wisdom was sticking out the side with Alan Smith in midfield and the likes of Kleberson and Djemba Djemba partnering him.... Think Rio played there too

3 years later and we are winning the CL in Moscow and clinching a double - after winning the title in 2006/7

I know we had a young Ronaldo/Rooney and our next signings (VDS, Heinze, Evra, Carrick, Vidic, Park, Nani Etc) all turned out to be effective to varying degrees but part of Mr hopes LVG can build a title winning side in a year or two

I have my doubts and we don't seem to have any clear direction but I'm hoping he finds a winning set up eventually

A slow, predictable Manchester United though...it surely can't go on in the medium term