The corruption narrative this season has been all about referees taking jollies in gulf states and therefore being biased in favour of clubs like City and Newcastle. Which doesn’t really fit with City being denied a last minute winner. So what’s the conspiracy theory for today?
VAR and Refs | General Discussion | May 15: Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yeah, it was just a really poor decision. He either didn’t see Grealish or somehow jumped to a conclusion that he was offside without waiting for the incident to play out. Human error. These things happen. And I would have absolutely no problem with an occasional shite call like this if we could go back to a world without VAR.
Just watched it again on motd, he wasn’t clean through on goal at all or one on one with the keeper as I’ve seen it described, he’d already slowed down as he was never getting away from Davies. It was a bad call from the ref but hardly this massive disaster it’s being portrayed as. If anything it would have just give city a free kick 20 yards further up the field as grealish first thought would probably to buy a free kick
Bingo. This is where Gary Neville and so on actually really do drive narrative. People are worked up, in stoppage time, and youve neville having a near meltdown before he even gets a replay. Instant knock on effect on social media, spreads like wildfire.
Bottom line is city dont know what to do with a bad call, and if they believe its a bad call then they can swallow it and offset it with some of the worst decisions of the season and many seasons that have gone in their favour. That and the whole widespread cheating and cover up and legal delaying over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN CHARGES, means I dont have much sympathy.
Seeing city fans complain about the state of football and the way the game is going is like Harold Shipman complaining about the state of the health service.
Never a penalty for Chelsea.
I should be irate if City do not get in trouble especialy Haaland for his reaction. If that was United and Bruno, etc...we would be hammered. But, nothing will happen and I just have to expect it.
City will get an apology before they get a punishment.
They'll relegate this ref to a Championship fixture next GW, then he'll be back reffing the biggest PL game of the weekend a few days later. That'll teach him.
TBH even if he'd been sent off we'd have still lost, we were that bad!
They should get both. Espeicslly halaand
Hooper won’t ever referee in the UAE now. That is yet another reason why City are corrupt
I remember a lot of complaining about this when United got a fine for ganging up on the ref against Fulham, it happened right before the Mitrovic incident which got him sent off. Lots of talk about how this would only happen to United, etc.
I decided to check. If I remember correctly, 13 or 14 out the 20 clubs had gotten that sort of punishment, including every single one of the bigger clubs except Chelsea. It's just that a small fine isn't very newsworthy, so why would you notice?
Posts like yours are what I refer to when I say that this thread annoys me, so thanks for proving my point.
Regardless of how bad we were, we were just one goal down and put some pressure on them in the final ten minutes. What if we had got twenty minutes of putting pressure on them with a man more. Can you say with absolute certainty that there was no chance we were getting a goal from a set piece or a random penalty or whatever?
The point is that a team that’s playing poorly is even more in need of getting fair calls going for them, and this is something that people seem to think when it’s Wolves, Sheffield United, Luton or what have you, but somehow that goes out the window on a Manchester United forum when it comes to Manchester United because you’re all tripping over yourselves to proclaim that we were never making up a one-goal deficit with one man more for 20 minutes.
As for the City call you can see him putting his whistle in his mouth, then showing advantage and then as Grealish is through he whistles again.
What I think happened is he just missed the potential advantage so the first time he put the whistle in his mouth he had blown it and already given a foul. Once he saw the situation developing he tried playing advantage hoping nobody noticed the first whistle before realising he couldn’t do that and had to call it back. Remember this all happens in the space of about three seconds and is similar to the Diaz offside where the refs want to call it back and realise they can’t within seconds so they start scrambling.
It’s a brainfart caused by him losing his composure, but what I can’t understand is his handling of the situation after that. He’s basically gone on the offensive barking at the players going “stop, stop!” repeatedly instead of holding his hands up, acknowledging he made a massive mistake and apologised to the players. That would’ve defused the situation much more than him going all “respect my authoritaaaa” after HE’S made a massive blunder.
What I think happened is he just missed the potential advantage so the first time he put the whistle in his mouth he had blown it and already given a foul. Once he saw the situation developing he tried playing advantage hoping nobody noticed the first whistle before realising he couldn’t do that and had to call it back. Remember this all happens in the space of about three seconds and is similar to the Diaz offside where the refs want to call it back and realise they can’t within seconds so they start scrambling.
It’s a brainfart caused by him losing his composure, but what I can’t understand is his handling of the situation after that. He’s basically gone on the offensive barking at the players going “stop, stop!” repeatedly instead of holding his hands up, acknowledging he made a massive mistake and apologised to the players. That would’ve defused the situation much more than him going all “respect my authoritaaaa” after HE’S made a massive blunder.
Wow. Just wow. I can't even...really? Grealish has daylight between him and the keeper but he's "without advantage"?
In a nutshell, you're wrong
As a comedy fan, me too
Davies would have Ole'd him anyway given it was practically the last minute.
Should Liverpool's winner should have been ruled out as Tsimikas clearly fouled the defender?
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No because another ref missed giving them a goal five weeks ago and Klopp got mad.
That one mistake against Spurs is going to end up benefitting them massively in the long run.
Yeah that's fairly clear cut. He challenges from a position where winning the aerial duel is unlikely. Leads with his body into the defender. Clearly impacts their ability to head the ball out and that directly leads to the goal. If that's anywhere else on the pitch, when it doesn't impact Liverpool at Anfield, then that's a foul. Not a genuine attempt to play the ball and no realistic prospect of winning it. Presumably Klopp will be requesting a replay?
Tim Howard said he didn't think it was a foul because something like "one player wanted it more and the other player had tired legs" or somewhat. Puzzling. Fulham player is clearly in position to head the ball away only to be impeded in the back. If that's a keeper making a play the ref would certainly have whistled.
I guess it's a bigger issue in the media when United ,etc.. do it. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Need to see if he actually gets a touch on the ball but it looks a clear foul.
I didn't think the City one was that bad, firstly you don't have to see out an attack that's so far from goal if you're over time but also Grealish isn't very quick and he wasn't away from the Spurs players.
It's a bad decision but the level of coverage it is getting is a good demonstration of the favourable press which City get in every aspect.
Bad decision? Yes. Worse than any of the recent howlers we've been on the receiving end of with zero press coverage? No chance.
Clear favouritism.
Bad decision? Yes. Worse than any of the recent howlers we've been on the receiving end of with zero press coverage? No chance.
Clear favouritism.
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That'll show em
Gallagher says the Schar challenge on Bruno was a yellow card offence because it wasnt high enough for a red
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If Bruno’s foot was more planted his ankle would have been broken. This falls into the same territory as the Rashford foul and I think Schar should have been sent off.
This was my take on it.
If there was any anti City corruption he wouldn't have even given them advantage in the first place.
Gallagher is a supreme idiot. His opinion means nothing.
If this was given as a red card he'd be standing there explaining why it's an obvious red.
This guy is just there to put more agenda out there. It is never a foul against ManUtd players. It is never red for opponents of ManUtd. Every foul by ManUtd player is red card.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67630722
Thank god we will now have AI to tell us whether the ball has hit a hand or not.
Thank god we will now have AI to tell us whether the ball has hit a hand or not.
No-one whinging about that Liverpool goal yet?
Matey trips the defender and then has an easy tap in
Matey trips the defender and then has an easy tap in
Shocker from Hooper again for the Pool goal, he blatantly stepped across the runners' line bringing him down and then scores.
Seemed pretty clear. They must have ridiculously thought it was the defender tripping himself up
It was so clear that I have no idea how they could miss that with VAR. Or maybe they don't care. It is Liverpool afterall.
What’s the betting that one doesn’t get shown on Ref watch.
The ref was yards away from it in real time too. So him and the var ref are probably the 2 non Liverpool fans in the country who didn't see it as a foul.
Oh well onto our game.
Oh well onto our game.