Not just that. I’ve said that without cam and mic on referees and VAR room there will never be transparency.Referees need post match interviews.
They would be more consistent whatever the outcome.
100%.There’s a clear line when we were getting fair, or even more than fair, VAR calls to when Klopp and Pep complained about it while pointing it out.
It’s gone to shit since then. I genuinely can’t think of the last on field penalty call we’ve gotten. Every single decision that has to be made gets ignored by the ref. I’d understand if we got pens that were overturned etc but not to have one pen call called in the first place is ridiculous.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy but it’s 100 percent the refs showing they won’t be intimidated by the biggest team in England and they get to show how fair and balanced they are.
Honestly, I watch every game and I cannot remember the last decision we got that was overturned by VAR never mind penalties. It points to referees being over cautious with us which fecks the team over. Any decision that’s anywhere close in our favour and it’s simply not given.
Andy Carroll wasn't it? But only after he'd put Eriksen out for the season with a far more reckless tackle than Caemiro's yesterday that he didn't even get booked for.You can't convince me that if United got those same calls it wouldn't be a huge football talking point today. Compared to the tumbleweed it is since United were cost by them.
The terrible refereeing is a much wider issue than just United, but it's very clear that they're particularly afraid to give us decisions. Look at the ridiculous backlash to that Fernandes goal vs City. Couldn't put a football channel on without them pounding on about it with saliva dripping through their teeth, eyes wide and red. Had calls at least as bad, if not worse than that, in 80% of the matches since with not a peep.
Look at the penalty you got against us. Seen that happen at least 3 times in every match since against us. No penalties. And when did an opposition player last get sent off against United?
Wider issue, but United are particularly vulnerable.
Fair enough I guess, if you really think this. I don't watch United anywhere near as much or as closely as you guys, so I can't discuss specific ref performances against you. It was just the idea I had trouble buying.There’s a clear line when we were getting fair, or even more than fair, VAR calls to when Klopp and Pep complained about it while pointing it out.
It’s gone to shit since then. I genuinely can’t think of the last on field penalty call we’ve gotten. Every single decision that has to be made gets ignored by the ref. I’d understand if we got pens that were overturned etc but not to have one pen call called in the first place is ridiculous.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy but it’s 100 percent the refs showing they won’t be intimidated by the biggest team in England and they get to show how fair and balanced they are.
Honestly, I watch every game and I cannot remember the last decision we got that was overturned by VAR never mind penalties. It points to referees being over cautious with us which fecks the team over. Any decision that’s anywhere close in our favour and it’s simply not given.
If every other fanbase thinks the same as you and can bring their own laundry list of evidence to the table, then is not just general incompetence rather than a problem unique to United? I argue with Chelsea fans about this all the time. It's a very popular topic in Chelsea circles too, 'the refs are against us, the media are against us' etc.Just because every set of fans believe they're being fecked over by the refs it doesn't mean that one or more teams aren't actually being fecked over by the refs though.
I'm sure even during some of the infamous match fixing scandals and Ref bribing incidents over the last 40 years that the fans of those teams benefitting from dodgy the decisions still thought they were being hard done by. That's just the nature of being a football fan.
I might be reading too much into it but the complete lack of VAR overturning decisions in our favour means they think referees are so good at officiating United that they don’t need VAR. literally decades of football before this has shown otherwise. It’s just funny how they keep making mistakes for the opposition despite it being the same game.Fair enough I guess, if you really think this. I don't watch United anywhere near as much or as closely as you guys, so I can't discuss specific ref performances against you. It was just the idea I had trouble buying.
I was just saying to myself to ease off and leave the topic alone as you guys are hotly fresh off a really bad ref experience. I hope I didn't come across as goading or provocative while everyone is clearly still very annoyed about yesterday.I might be reading too much into it but the complete lack of VAR overturning decisions in our favour means they think referees are so good as officiating United that they don’t need VAR. literally decades of football before this has shown otherwise.
Maybe I’ll calm down by next week but I can’t see how it would change anything
That's exactly whatit is, poor reffing standards exacerbated by some of the worst and random implementation of a technology that is meant to actually help things (but mostly doesn't).If every other fanbase thinks the same as you and can bring their own laundry list of evidence to the table, then is not just general incompetence rather than a problem unique to United? I argue with Chelsea fans about this all the time. It's a very popular topic in Chelsea circles too, 'the refs are against us, the media are against us' etc.
There is a reason for that though. The entire point (according to the refereeing organisation) is to only send the ref to the monitor when a big error has been made. However, this has the psychological effect of the ref being pretty much forced to reverse the decision upon being sent to the screen, because now everyone watching at home and in the stadium knows that the ref has been told by his colleague that he’s made a big error.I think we are getting a bit hard done by this season but not as much as people are saying.
What winds me up is the reason refs go to check the screen. Its not for 50/50 calls like the handball incident yesterday. They only go when they're 99% sure they'll change their original decision. Since VAR came in I can't think of any time a ref stuck to the original decision. Its a waste of time, everyone knows what's gonna happen.
Incompetence is definitely a big part of it, but as others have said with United being the biggest club if we get a controversial decision in our favour like the one vs City. It then get's blown all out of proportion and the media drone on about it for days. Since that match we've barely had a decision go our way in the league and Domestic cups. That's not down solely to incompetence, referees are being influenced the negative criticism they will get from awarding United big decisions.If every other fanbase thinks the same as you and can bring their own laundry list of evidence to the table, then is not just general incompetence rather than a problem unique to United? I argue with Chelsea fans about this all the time. It's a very popular topic in Chelsea circles too, 'the refs are against us, the media are against us' etc.
Did Gallagher even comment on the three penalties that we could have got? The sky video just shows him talking about the red card.The bald head bastard former referee on sky just said Casemiro didn't win the ball, but he skimmed it?
You just can't win and idiots like these are given nationwide platforms to justify terrible decisions
Yeh, he said the ref called them all right.Did Gallagher even comment on the three penalties that we could have got? The sky video just shows him talking about the red card.
Thanks. Maybe I just don't understand the rules at all anymore.Yeh, he said the ref called them all right.
Suprise, he doesn't think it was a penalty for the handballDid Gallagher even comment on the three penalties that we could have got? The sky video just shows him talking about the red card.
Yeah of courseI don't think there's any organised conspiracy either but Referees are humans and will have their biases conscience or otherwise. And I've watched football long enough to notice a pattern that certain refs feck over certain teams more often than not.
Yup 100%. Especially as that Fernandes decision was actually a correct decision (whether people agree with it or not is a different issue, but it is a correct decision by the rules). Yet they all lost their minds.You can't convince me that if United got those same calls it wouldn't be a huge football talking point today. Compared to the tumbleweed it is since United were cost by them.
The terrible refereeing is a much wider issue than just United, but it's very clear that they're particularly afraid to give us decisions. Look at the ridiculous backlash to that Fernandes goal vs City. Couldn't put a football channel on without them pounding on about it with saliva dripping through their teeth, eyes wide and red. Had calls at least as bad, if not worse than that, in 80% of the matches since with not a peep.
Look at the penalty you got against us. Seen that happen at least 3 times in every match since against us. No penalties. And when did an opposition player last get sent off against United?
Wider issue, but United are particularly vulnerable.
Mariner was the onfield ref against palaceMarriner seem questionable to me in how he carefully selects the footage against Palace to look like Case had someone by the neck when it was by the collar and both players were having a laugh about it. Marriner ignored Palace players actually hitting our player in the face. It's very suspicious.
Yesterday the ref gives a yellow for Case. Since Howard Webb came in we've seen a strong lack over intervention yet Marriner decides to intervene. I've seen many tackles that if slowed down at certain angles and asked the pitch ref to have a look again he would probably give a red. The game wants to get away from that and even when VAR was being overused I don't recall similar tackles not inside the area having that much attention after the on pitch ref already decided on the action from VAR. To see many bad tackles with no intervention (even under Marriner) and then see the Case tackle get intervention after the ref already decided a yellow was enough after seeing it close up in real time really makes me question Marriner. It wasn't a clear and obvious error, the ref saw it close up and gave a yellow, I think it was 50/50 and like so many other tackles there was no need to intervene otherwise we'd have unnecessary stoppages, a yellow was given, play on. Marriner is deliberately very selective.
You're in good company neither do most of the Refs.Thanks. Maybe I just don't understand the rules at all anymore.
Not at all mate I knew what you meant I was just agreeing with you.Yeah of course
Just for clarity, my saying the quoted part above wasn't a direct reply to your post, so I hope it didn't come across like I thought that's what your post was insinuating
That's the thing. It doesn't even have to be Roy Carroll scooping the ball out the net from 10 feet behind the line any more for people to make a fuss about United getting a decision. Just something that's gone United's way when it could easily not have is enough to blast the images all over the Sports channels relentlessly for days on end now.Yup 100%. Especially as that Fernandes decision was actually a correct decision (whether people agree with it or not is a different issue, but it is a correct decision by the rules). Yet they all lost their minds.
Watched sky’s match highlights on YouTube after the game there was no showing of ANY of the penalties we could’ve got. MOTD only showed the handball and not Rashfords.You can't convince me that if United got those same calls it wouldn't be a huge football talking point today. Compared to the tumbleweed it is since United were cost by them.
The terrible refereeing is a much wider issue than just United, but it's very clear that they're particularly afraid to give us decisions. Look at the ridiculous backlash to that Fernandes goal vs City. Couldn't put a football channel on without them pounding on about it with saliva dripping through their teeth, eyes wide and red. Had calls at least as bad, if not worse than that, in 80% of the matches since with not a peep.
Look at the penalty you got against us. Seen that happen at least 3 times in every match since against us. No penalties. And when did an opposition player last get sent off against United?
Wider issue, but United are particularly vulnerable.
Ah right, well there was a ridiculous late fouled called in that match while we were hanging on with 10 ten men. Sabitzer very cleanly won the ball back and only when Rashford was put through he decided to bring back play.Mariner was the onfield ref against palace
Another great example of how fecked over we’ve been from on field referees aloneAh right, well there was a ridiculous late fouled called in that match while we were hanging on with 10 ten men. Sabitzer very cleanly won the ball back and only when Rashford was put through he decided to bring back play.
feck I remember that one. Absolutely nothing there, not even any appeals from Palace, and still he gives it. Infuriating.Ah right, well there was a ridiculous late fouled called in that match while we were hanging on with 10 ten men. Sabitzer very cleanly won the ball back and only when Rashford was put through he decided to bring back play.
Yeah I totally agree with you about him being shit, that was a shocker with the sabitzer incident, at the time I thought he blew up just because he couldn’t keep up with the play and didn’t want to run that far and fast so late in the game.Ah right, well there was a ridiculous late fouled called in that match while we were hanging on with 10 ten men. Sabitzer very cleanly won the ball back and only when Rashford was put through he decided to bring back play.
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I think the important part of that incident is his fall, he clearly moves himslef into the path of the ball, putting his arm, coincidentally, right in front of the ball.Literally the last angle shows it hitting the Southampton defenders arm first. It’s like I’m being gaslighted
And he’s not really falling would be my argument. He’s dropping down for the ball for some reason out of his own free will. It isn’t a byproduct of falling but the purpose of it.I think the important part of that incident is his fall, he clearly moves himslef into the path of the ball, putting his arm, coincidentally, right in front of the ball.
And that was by a second yellow? He should have seen a straight red and was more or less explicitly asking the ref numerous times for booking. It bacame too blatant even for the refs to ignore after a while, although they did a very good job of trying to ignore it.Andy Carroll wasn't it? But only after he'd put Eriksen out for the season with a far more reckless tackle than Caemiro's yesterday that he didn't even get booked for.
Yep that one was ludicrous. I understand the Refs themselves not wanting to do interviews but the Refs should have a spokesman that can come on and explain their strange decisions after matches. It might make them a bit more reluctant to make baffling decisions like that.Ah right, well there was a ridiculous late fouled called in that match while we were hanging on with 10 ten men. Sabitzer very cleanly won the ball back and only when Rashford was put through he decided to bring back play.
Yep it was two yellows, before that he should have had one and arguably two straight reds.And that was by a second yellow? He should have seen a straight red and was more or less explicitly asking the ref numerous times for booking. It bacame too blatant even for the refs to ignore after a while, although they did a very good job of trying to ignore it.
