To think they burn effigies and jeer him in Spain every week. Quality player
Vinicius Junior
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He also got rid of Di Maria, Robben and Sneijder, and we lost Odegaard and Hakimi in part to fuel his Mbappé obsession
Plus there was the whole hiring Pellegrini, sacking Ancelotti to replace him with Benitez, his De Gea obsession, Lopetegui, letting the media run Zidane out of the club the second time...
Also i'm not sure I'd classify James as a flop
Let's hope so
Swapping Di Maria with Bale basically wasn’t exactly bad business though (and yes I know Di Maria played midfield in that first CL win, but then Casemiro-Kroos-Modric). Robben still had pretty terrible fitness record after he left for Bayern (think he made more than 20 league appearances twice in the time he was there) and Sneijder had 2 great years before declining steeply. Don’t think any of them is bad business in hindsight even if you could’ve used them in a particular campaign. James is a flop, he was on your book for 6 years and made a total of 85 appearances.
Can’t argue about the managerial appointments/sackings, but you came out of those not too shabby either. Probably the biggest blemish is just the league record, should’ve won more Ligas after Pep left.
I mean in hindsight it all worked out sure, but getting rid of Di Maria really was nonsense at the time and remains a bad decision, as was sacking Ancelotti the first time and hiring Benitez
Vinicius is not carrying that attack based on the numbers you posted.
I don't think Haaland is far more talented. Vini Jnr is electrifying.
he is reaching the level neymar had at barcelona. Its going to be great to find out what his final ceiling will be in a few years
You're technically correct but as a Madrid fan, I can tell you that Vini really has been carrying us on his back all season long
Ah fair then, I've only watched a few Madrid games outside the CL this season
Yeah and they're a pretty good picture of us this season. Ball to Vini and inshallah
The point I made in the initial post was ‘carry the attack at CL level’, if we just take the number in the CL in isolation, Benzema has 4G 1A, Rodrygo has 5G 2A, Vinicius has 7G 5A. Being responsible for 43.75% of the goals and 71.4% of the assists is pretty carry-ish, if you ask me.
My wider point all along was that he’s a better version of Neymar when they are both 22. Neymar finished that campaign with 39G 10A, Vinicius is already at 21G 23A, with a minimum of 6 more games to be played, and the latter played in a demonstrably stronger attack, with demonstrably stronger partners. He’s less of a goal threat, but more creative, more mature, more explosive, less likely to overindulge in tricks and playact. Not a very controversial take, you’d have thought.
He looks like their best player and has done for a year or so to me. Benzema can always find a goal out of nowhere but he can look invisible for large parts of a game, Vini is a constant threat.
He's quality. Loved that rainbow flick on the wing over Walker or whoever it was. Not enough of that type of thing in the game anymore.
He's got such great balance and control, would love a player like him on the wing at Utd.
He's got such great balance and control, would love a player like him on the wing at Utd.
Excellent performance yesterday. He moves the ball so intelligently, always seems to get the pacing right. One of the best for a while.
Flair with purpose is always brilliant to see. Compare that to Antony spinning pointlessly and you begin to understand why the media were up in arms over the latter but applauding the former.
I think Hazard was a pure Zizou signing - I get the impression that Perez wanted Zidane to persist with Bale but Zidane was insistent. I wouldn't really consider Hazard a Perez flop.
19/20 yes, but definitely not 20/21. That was the start of a massive decline in form that was somewhat hidden by him still scoring quite a lot of goals. This season his general play has been somewhere in between. For quite a bit of the season he was similar to how he was in 20/21 (playing poorly but still getting goals) but during other periods he was playing genuinely well. In terms of general play Rashford was definitely better in 19/20 though despite the higher goal total (which I've been saying all season but many disagreed while he was in his purple patch).
Wait what, Haaland is the very definition of not able to do it on his own. He is heavily dependent on others.
Vini has been taking charge and leading our attack for a long time now. Relentless in pushing up, dribbling past multiple defenders, setting up others.
I’d much rather have Vini than Haaland (different positions etc sure).
I never said he didn't.
I also stated he might be the better player, but he losses out for me due to the league he plays in.
Will always be an asterisk for me unless he moves.
Yeah.
He reminds me a bit of Okocha, not in style but he just seems like a guy who wants to entertain and be creative but do it in a way that might lead to something.
I still think he should be called Vicinius. Feels better.
He's class - love watching him.
Haaland can't where mbappe and Vini can
As I said at yesterday's match thread, I would like him way more if he didn't do the typical brazilian mediocre stuff that consists on raising your arms towards the crowd everytime he does something. Him and Rodrygo.
It makes me sick and I don't remember either Ronaldo, Ronaldiho, Kaka or Neymar doing that kind of bullshit.
It makes me sick and I don't remember either Ronaldo, Ronaldiho, Kaka or Neymar doing that kind of bullshit.
You only have to compare Lacazettes records in ligue 1 to put a little perspective on Mbappe.
Both before and after he played for Arsenal.
Both before and after he played for Arsenal.
You mean when he was trying to lift the crowd?
What's wrong with that.
A cultural thing maybe. In Argentina we call that "selling smoke" (when you have a certain behavior to try to win a crowd). You don't lift a crowd with your hands, play well and the crowd will lift on their own.
I understand it if it's a goal or something, but he gets a corner kick and does that, for example. I don't tolerate it.
I know about Reiner, we paid as much for Amad for example. But still Vini and Rodrygo seem to be to excellent gambles. I'd rather we go for a deal like Vini for 50m rather than all the scouting in the world and a manager who has worked with him previously to end up paying 100m for Antony for example.
Reiner, Lucas Silva...there are many brazilian players they paid for that didn't make it.
In England we have something we call 'Nitpicking'
So have we, we paid 50m pounds for Fred for example, and he was already in Europe and reached his peak.
You say that, but whenever a player does that, you hear the crowd instantly respond.
Think it just shows their passion - seems s strange thing not to tolerate!
Yeah well I just feel some brazilian players over do it. If Vini did that from time to time it would be ok for me, but I feel he does it too much.
You won't see many argentines do that. And I think argentinian players are known for their passion.
Nah, I mean yeah, Zidane was the biggest sponsor for Hazard but we'd been in talks to sign him before he came back. Flo hadn't given up on Bale yet but he also wasn't pushing to persist with him either. Bale had his chance in 18/19 and blew it
This is such a petty post. Just admit that you can't stand him because you're argentinian instead of making shit up
All of Kaka, Dinho and Neymar did this, as do many argentinian players as well
Real Madrid snapping up the best young Brazilian players.
Rodyrgo, Vini and Endrick.
Rodyrgo, Vini and Endrick.
He plays like a video game footballer. As soon as he gets the ball he's on the run. So smooth on the ball and quick to fire off shots. Very fun player to watch and seems a good guy too.
Not really. Lots of players do it. If you watch United, you'll see Bruno do this all the time. Enzo has been at Chelsea 5 minutes and I've seen him do this multiple times. Rudiger used to do it all the time. Zinchenko does it every 2 minutes at the Emirates. Every team has a couple of players who like to interact with the crowd.
All of them are secret Brazilians
That's harsh @giorno Visually, yes, Vini carries the attacks, and the fans. But mind you, we've seen Goes evolve into a useful player, Camavinga evolve into a worldie b2b leftback (!), Luka and Karim still going strong, and Rüdiger fit in as if he never did anything else. It's more than just a Vini inshallah season ime.
But then I also agree, why would you not seek Vini, when he simply has it? No wonder the envy
Btw, @IFC 1905 , Reinier fecked it up in Dortmund, wasn't able to accept he has plenty of work to do, instead compared himself -and let paps compare him- to Dortmund and not Madrid players, fell and fell, and is now at 500 minutes for Girona. Miles away from Vini's patience, and eagerness to improve, and that's on him entirely.
But then I also agree, why would you not seek Vini, when he simply has it? No wonder the envy
Btw, @IFC 1905 , Reinier fecked it up in Dortmund, wasn't able to accept he has plenty of work to do, instead compared himself -and let paps compare him- to Dortmund and not Madrid players, fell and fell, and is now at 500 minutes for Girona. Miles away from Vini's patience, and eagerness to improve, and that's on him entirely.
Diego Simeone does it more as a manager than any current player!