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Yeah, we kind of know where we stand with Putin - and at least he's not going to start a nuclear war. A low bar, certainly, but hey, I spent the last three days worrying whether Donald Trump can win reelection so...Just me, or is the thought of that a bit terrifying? Not that Putin is some saint, but Russia has the capability of fecking the world in half if the wrong person gets in.
Yeah, I think someone's taken that and let their imagination wander.
Listened to a podcast on Audible about his rise to power which was pretty fascinating. The Oligarchs (and specifically Berezovsky) made him, but in the end he was more intelligent and ruthless than they thought, and they couldn't control him. It ended badly for most of them. In the concluding episode, one of the experts on concluded that he was trapped as he needs a successor to groom, so that he can quietly retire and enjoy his wealth without looking over his shoulder. I thought that was an interesting theory.Just me, or is the thought of that a bit terrifying? Not that Putin is some saint, but Russia has the capability of fecking the world in half if the wrong person gets in.
The power vacuum will be huge. The best hope really would be for someone that he's groomed for this position to take over. Someone hopefully as stable as he's been.I truly hope not. If you think the fallout is bad when you remove a ruthless dictator from some hellhole in the desert, wait until you remove one from the second most powerful country in the world. The succession plan will need to be flawless.
Yeah that definitely suggests the story is real.
Can you tell me what it was you listened to? Thanks.Listened to a podcast on Audible about his rise to power which was pretty fascinating. The Oligarchs (and specifically Berezovsky) made him, but in the end he was more intelligent and ruthless than they thought, and they couldn't control him. It ended badly for most of them. In the concluding episode, one of the experts on concluded that he was trapped as he needs a successor to groom, so that he can quietly retire and enjoy his wealth without looking over his shoulder. I thought that was an interesting theory.
PD is tough. If true there isn't really any way back. All treatments are just symptomatic, but don't actually affect outcomes, or even speed of disease progression. It's just a slow and unpleasant road down, unfortunately.Not his biggest fan but I wish him a speedy recovery/reasonably successful treatment plan..
That is why the law to give him immunity isn't a sign he is going. The threat to him will not come via legal cases in court. His successor can not be controlled because he has removed all controls on the Presidents position. All his money is there to be taken by the next President. Putin has made loads of very dangerous enemies. I wonder if all the actors can come together to decide on his replacement or if there will be a war between the oligarchs.Listened to a podcast on Audible about his rise to power which was pretty fascinating. The Oligarchs (and specifically Berezovsky) made him, but in the end he was more intelligent and ruthless than they thought, and they couldn't control him. It ended badly for most of them. In the concluding episode, one of the experts on concluded that he was trapped as he needs a successor to groom, so that he can quietly retire and enjoy his wealth without looking over his shoulder. I thought that was an interesting theory.
What's the podcast name sounds interesting?Listened to a podcast on Audible about his rise to power which was pretty fascinating. The Oligarchs (and specifically Berezovsky) made him, but in the end he was more intelligent and ruthless than they thought, and they couldn't control him. It ended badly for most of them. In the concluding episode, one of the experts on concluded that he was trapped as he needs a successor to groom, so that he can quietly retire and enjoy his wealth without looking over his shoulder. I thought that was an interesting theory.
Yes, I'm aware of that which is why I added the treatment bit to the end of the meme. No great outcomes but hopefully it can be managed positively.PD is tough. If true there isn't really any way back. All treatments are just symptomatic, but don't actually affect outcomes, or even speed of disease progression. It's just a slow and unpleasant road down, unfortunately.
yes - it's called "Putin : Prisoner of Power". It's on audible and is narrated by Misha Glenny who wrote McMafia. he was a journalist in Russia for years apparently.Can you tell me what it was you listened to? Thanks.
The indication (from what I took of it at least) was that he wasn't just worried about being arrested.That is why the law to give him immunity isn't a sign he is going. The threat to him will not come via legal cases in court. His successor can not be controlled because he has removed all controls on the Presidents position. All his money is there to be taken by the next President. Putin has made loads of very dangerous enemies. I wonder if all the actors can come together to decide on his replacement or if there will be a war between the oligarchs.
"Putin : Prisoner of Power". It's on audible. It was good.What's the podcast name sounds interesting?
It’s really funny that he can retire, keep a small business selling alcohol to underage kids with a convenient slave waiting for him at home.
What's the word in Moscow about all of this ?It’s really funny that he can retire, keep a small business selling alcohol to underage kids with a convenient slave waiting for him at home.
Berezovsky certainly played a part but him making Putin is a bit of a myth created by Berezovsky himself. Overall it sounds like a bit of a simplistic view on his history & the current analysis doesn’t look to be quite accurate as well, but maybe it sounds different when you actually listen to it. Just recently he had a very convenient chance to begin the “walking away” process (he had instigated a few new indefinite positions of power where he could’ve assured his personal safety & keep a good bit of control over the country for life by limiting president’s power), but he chose to revamp the constitution instead.Listened to a podcast on Audible about his rise to power which was pretty fascinating. The Oligarchs (and specifically Berezovsky) made him, but in the end he was more intelligent and ruthless than they thought, and they couldn't control him. It ended badly for most of them. In the concluding episode, one of the experts on concluded that he was trapped as he needs a successor to groom, so that he can quietly retire and enjoy his wealth without looking over his shoulder. I thought that was an interesting theory.
Some jokes, there’s not too much fuss about it.What's the word in Moscow about all of this ?
It seems to have been running on a few sites before the Sun, despite the Sun having it badged as an exclusive.The original rumour about Parkinson’s seems to be coming from The Sun... enough said, I think.
This, his official title is just that. So long as he is alive, he controls Russia.Can't see him stepping down in anything more than name while he is alive, even if he were really ill.
If they struck a deal with him that guaranteed no prosecution for life, it may help move things along. Ultimately, dictators don't leave power because they know they will either die or go to jail for their past indiscretions.Can't see him stepping down in anything more than name while he is alive, even if he were really ill.
Oh, well... still, I’m sure that the news like those would’ve been broken by different sources and in a different fashion.It seems to have been running on a few sites before the Sun, despite the Sun having it badged as an exclusive.
I'm obviously not sure how accurate it all is but he discusses with people who were very close to Putin, including the "political coaches" they brought in to make him actually appealable to the masses. It's an interesting listen, and it's not just about Berezovsky but a cabal of Oligarchs who were the "power behind the throne" and how Putin then pulled them into line, or ruined the ones who took him on. The episode on Khodorovsky and Yukos is interesting and is something I've read about in the past. His exiling of Berezovsky is also an interesting episode and talks about how Putin realised that controlling the media was the key to maintaining control. As I say, I'm not an expert and it's entertainment more than historical study but the guy who makes it speaks to a lot of people who were around at the time. The post Soviet-era and economic aspects I found fascinating.Berezovsky certainly played a part but him making Putin is a bit of a myth created by Berezovsky himself. Overall it sounds like a bit of a simplistic view on his history & the current analysis doesn’t look to be quite accurate as well, but maybe it sounds different when you actually listen to it. Just recently he had a very convenient chance to begin the “walking away” process (he had instigated a few new indefinite positions of power where he could’ve assured his personal safety & keep a good bit of control over the country for life by limiting president’s power), but he chose to revamp the constitution instead.
Although, like any corrupt authoritarian ruler who has been ruling for 20 years and making sure that everything is controlled by him personally, he’ll have a very tough time if he were to decide to retire. Can’t seem to remember the stats, but most of those either die at their job or force a revolution.
He's one of the most interesting political figures that I've seen in my lifetime. How one man rose to such prominence, to control a country the size of most other continents, a country ruled by Oligarchs. That takes the sort of character that you only really see in movies.I think Putin is an interesting character generally
I’d recommend you to read All the Kremlin’s men by Mikhail Zygar, it’s by far the most reliable and insightful source on the matterI'm obviously not sure how accurate it all is but he discusses with people who were very close to Putin, including the "political coaches" they brought in to make him actually appealable to the masses. It's an interesting listen, and it's not just about Berezovsky but a cabal of Oligarchs who were the "power behind the throne" and how Putin then pulled them into line, or ruined the ones who took him on. The episode on Khodorovsky and Yukos is interesting and is something I've read about in the past. His exiling of Berezovsky is also an interesting episode and talks about how Putin realised that controlling the media was the key to maintaining control. As I say, I'm not an expert and it's entertainment more than historical study but the guy who makes it speaks to a lot of people who were around at the time. The post Soviet-era and economic aspects I found fascinating.
I think Putin is an interesting character generally. I was intrigued by the idea that he'd actually like to go given the pressure on him, but can't because there's nobody to hand over too.
I guess it's a possibility, but he would have to trust whomever is guaranteeing no prosecution, and be certain that person/body of people can stay in a position to keep their guarantee too. Not expecting to live much longer might make all of that a lot easier.If they struck a deal with him that guaranteed no prosecution for life, it may help move things along. Ultimately, dictators don't leave power because they know they will either die or go to jail for their past indiscretions.
Indeed. Obviously a very clever man, and perhaps fortunate in terms of timing.He's one of the most interesting political figures that I've seen in my lifetime. How one man rose to such prominence, to control a country the size of most other continents, a country ruled by Oligarchs. That takes the sort of character that you only really see in movies.