We will never win the league with Paul Pogba in the team

[Van Piorsing]

This is just a daft thread.End of.

Is it ? I'm sure Paul's ego won't suffer much from it. As a player who won Golden Boy award and has ambitions to go for Ballon D'or it's almost fundamental for him to constantly improve.

I remember Ronnie being strongly criticized in much younger age. Players simply need to be strong mentally. Lads like Scholes prefered informative criticism that actually helped him rather than obvious and boring ass kissing.

Noodle on point but presentation gives you that false feeling that he's being viciously attacked for no reason which is not the point here. There are elements to his game that needs to be worked on - just like any world class players for that matter. (Yes, even world class players have visible detriments)

 

[Robbie Boy]

It honestly thought it was a windup until I read the OP's follow up replies.

I stand corrected.

The DDG one is. This is just mental.

 

[edgar allan]

Is it ?

Noodle on point but presentation gives you that false feeling that he's being viciously attacked for no reason which is not the point here. There are elements to his game that needs to be worked on - just like any world class players for that matter. (Yes, even world class players have visible detriments)

He is not a world class player. He can be an excellent player on his day and has the potential to be a top player.
On consistency he is currently a long way away from being in the world class grouping , No matter how much we wish it.

 

[James Peril]

Stupid thread, should be locked - if we had 11 players on the same level as Pogba we’d win the league every year. If we play Pogba in a midfield of two, then you’re right, but that is down to Mourinho and not Pogba. Put Vidal, Matic and Pogba in our midfield and see what happens...

 

[Van Piorsing]

He is not a world class player. He can be an excellent player on his day and has the potential to be a top player.
On consistency he is currently a long way away from being in the world class grouping , No matter how much we wish it.

That's endless debate on what constitutes world class bracket. You say he's excellent at times, I can say he's world class at times but I can agree he can be simply better.

It's definitely something he can work out with the amount of potential at disposal and his current age that still gives time for improvement.

 

[edgar allan]

That's endless debate on what constitutes world class bracket. You say he's excellent at times, I can say he's world class at times but I can agree he can be simply better.

It's definitely something he can work out with the amount of potential at disposal and his current age that still gives time for improvement.

Agree about potential and time however sadly he seems to reserve the majority of excellent performances for games that we are in control off. His performances in big games , where it really matters does raise questions about character and temperament.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Agree about potential and time however sadly he seems to reserve the majority of excellent performances for games that we are in control off. His performances in big games , where it really matters does raise questions about character and temperament.

That temperament thing was quite visible when he rebelled against Sir Alex. Perhaps it was some sort of warning for any of his new managers that working with him must require patience, but honestly Mourinho seems a really cool guy and not too worried about his future. Pogba should be fine as long as remaining hungry for improvement.

Can't even imagine how LvG would handle that kind of character in the dressing room.

 

[Lennon7]

I thought this was a pisstake thread. How’s it on 11 pages? This place...

 

[AR87]

Some of the threads on here after an admittedly god awful performance from Pogba and virtually everybody that played are pathetic.

 

[edgar allan]

That temperament thing was quite visible when he rebelled against Sir Alex. Perhaps it was some sort of warning for any of his new managers that working with him must require patience, but honestly Mourinho seems a really cool guy and not too worried about his future. Pogba should be fine as long as remaining hungry for improvement.

Can't even imagine how LvG would handle that kind of character in the dressing room.

I respected the assertive way he reacted to his lack of opportunities under Ferguson. There was a young man than rated himself above the makeshift midfielders playing above him and wanted to play.
The temperament I am concerned about his apparent shrinking on the pitch when things are not going to plan.

I am not saying he doesn't care but does he care enough to fight?

 

[The Brown Bull]

Is it ? I'm sure Paul's ego won't suffer much from it. As a player who won Golden Boy award and has ambitions to go for Ballon D'or it's almost fundamental for him to constantly improve.

I remember Ronnie being strongly criticized in much younger age. Players simply need to be strong mentally. Lads like Scholes prefered informative criticism that actually helped him rather than obvious and boring ass kissing.

Noodle on point but presentation gives you that false feeling that he's being viciously attacked for no reason which is not the point here. There are elements to his game that needs to be worked on - just like any world class players for that matter. (Yes, even world class players have visible detriments)

It is daft.Why not a thread titled "We will never win the league with Martial/Lukaku/Rashford etc etc in the side? Why single out Pogba? Why single out any single player? Mad stuff in my view.

 

[Ban]

Is it ? I'm sure Paul's ego won't suffer much from it. As a player who won Golden Boy award and has ambitions to go for Ballon D'or it's almost fundamental for him to constantly improve.

I remember Ronnie being strongly criticized in much younger age. Players simply need to be strong mentally. Lads like Scholes prefered informative criticism that actually helped him rather than obvious and boring ass kissing.

Noodle on point but presentation gives you that false feeling that he's being viciously attacked for no reason which is not the point here. There are elements to his game that needs to be worked on - just like any world class players for that matter. (Yes, even world class players have visible detriments)

Everything from the title to the last word is a complete exaggeration. If only it was just about few elements of his game needed to be worked on. But no. You get the sense we should get rid of him.

This monstrosity of a thread should be closed.

 

[Van Piorsing]

I respected the assertive way he reacted to his lack of opportunities under Ferguson. There was a young man than rated himself above the makeshift midfielders playing above him and wanted to play.
The temperament I am concerned about his apparent shrinking on the pitch when things are not going to plan.

I am not saying he doesn't care but does he care enough to fight?

I think Roy Keane would give him plenty of reasons to care on the training ground but joking aside, lately we've seen some improvement even from Lingard. We'll never know what players will surprise us in the future.

It is daft.Why not a thread titled "We will never win the league with Martial/Lukaku/Rashford etc etc in the side? Why single out Pogba? Why single out any single player? Mad stuff in my view.

This is a thread about a single individual and not about others. There are plenty of other threads on other players where I already post on the matter. Baseless white knighting is what's madness here, mate.

Everything from the title to the last word is a complete exaggeration. If only it was just about few elements of his game needed to be worked on. But no. You get the sense we should get rid of him.

Yup. The plan is to sell him and transfer the cash into record contract for Fellaini. The noodles have been exposed.

 

[Ban]

Yup. The plan is to sell him and transfer the cash into record contract for Fellaini. The noodles have been exposed.

Apparently we won't win the title with him. So the logic is exactly that. If we want to win it we should get rid.

 

[glazed]

I wish we had ten of him. Eleven would be too many though.

 

[crossy1686]

Apparently we won't win the title with him. So the logic is exactly that. If we want to win it we should get rid.

That's why Juventus sold him. After they won the title and reached the CL final, they realised they couldn't win the title with him in the team and got rid.

 

[Ban]

That's why Juventus sold him. After they won the title and reached the CL final, they realised they couldn't win the title with him in the team and got rid.

Smart move. Now we're stuck with him.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Smart move. Now we're stuck with him.

We're getting Vidal and we're basically Juve without their Microsoft Paint badge.

Apparently we won't win the title with him. So the logic is exactly that. If we want to win it we should get rid.

Noodles most likely behind at least three layers of irony and sarcasm, or simply hacked by some Conte.

 

[SteveW]

Spurs was the first game we've lost this season when pogba has played. Idiotic OP

 

[Siorac]

He is not a world class player. He can be an excellent player on his day and has the potential to be a top player.
On consistency he is currently a long way away from being in the world class grouping , No matter how much we wish it.

His bottom level is dreadful. Fans, especially optimistic types, tend to look at the top level of a player when judging his quality; in the case of Pogba, that is very high. But when he's bad, he's REALLY bad. See Wednesday or Liverpool at OT last season.

 

[SteveW]

Noodle used to do funny player ratings. They were great.

 

[Prometheus]

I'd have such a blast laughing at this thread if Bournemouth didn't batter us!

 

[giorno]

Nevermind formations, the main problem are his teammates. He's just not ready to be the leader, technically or emotionally. Games like spurs are him being asked to do more than he's currently capable of. He'll grow

Alexis will help a bit in the meantime, though he still needs someone else in midfield to hold the keys atm

 

[roonster09]

Nevermind formations, the main problem are his teammates. He's just not ready to be the leader, technically or emotionally. Games like spurs are him being asked to do more than he's currently capable of. He'll grow

Alexis will help a bit in the meantime, though he still needs someone else in midfield to hold the keys atm

Here comes the Xhaka.....

 

[elnorte]

This thread was a joke, right?

 

[Gerald G]

This post doesn't even deserve a proper response.

 

[desmondisback]

This post doesn't even deserve a proper response.

To be fair it does raise the issue of Pogba's failings. He is incredibly strong and talented but he's no Roy Keane and when our backs are against the wall it's a Keano that's needed. Pogba needs to be released to play attacking midfield or 10 , anywhere else is a waste and a liability in big games.

 

[Red For Ever]

Deja vu

 

[EyeInTheSky]

No one player can do everything let alone all the time. We are short one top-level starting CM and that completes the first team picture. But don't forget we have no strength in depth in that department including our LB/RB positions.

Even Keane had to pick a role and give up attacking play and Pogba has to do the reverse, he needs someone to do that so he can pick a specialism. The best players in the world are pointless if they can be easily bypassed by the opposition by positional play because of the gaps/channels that seem to apear just between the wide and central position.

I think the roles are still a bit too vague because Matic seems to disappear when Pogba has it and vice versa. THere needs to be a temp controlling player and that is ALL they should concentrate on doing and we need a ball winner/destroyer rather than players trying to do the same thing and going with the flow. This will allow another CM to specialise or allow one of the pivots to give options in the forward line.

 

[Gerald G]

To be fair it does raise the issue of Pogba's failings. He is incredibly strong and talented but he's no Roy Keane and when our backs are against the wall it's a Keano that's needed. Pogba needs to be released to play attacking midfield or 10 , anywhere else is a waste and a liability in big games.

The title "we will never win the league with Pogba in the team" doesn't dignify a proper response.

 

[surf]

To be fair it does raise the issue of Pogba's failings. He is incredibly strong and talented but he's no Roy Keane and when our backs are against the wall it's a Keano that's needed. Pogba needs to be released to play attacking midfield or 10 , anywhere else is a waste and a liability in big games.

Very true. Away to Spurs he should not have been one of a midfield 2. Think Mourinho got the selection and tactics wrong there. Don't think much of the thread title though. We are in second place after all.

 

[forlans.second]

Was there ever a we'll never win the league with Ronaldo thread???

 

[giorno]

Here comes the Xhaka.....

Not gonna lie, the choice of words was intentional

 

[NikSab]

Isn't OP the same guy who was a huge Moyes supporter and cried when he was sacked? Never seen a positive post from him

 

[E-mal]

I will say this much, he hasn't pooled his weight enough for us to justify his rating as our best outfield player.
Perhaps it has alot to with how he is used or generally his immaturity but damn he was schooled by Dembele in midfield.

 

[Adnan]

Was there ever a we'll never win the league with Ronaldo thread???

There was many weird threads about Ronaldo in his first 3 or so seasons. There was many who wanted him sold to Valencia for £20m and Aaron Lennon to come into replace him.

 

[Nipower888]

I will say this much, he hasn't pooled his weight enough for us to justify his rating as our best outfield player.
Perhaps it has alot to with how he is used or generally his immaturity but damn he was schooled by Dembele in midfield.

He definitely has. The team is terrible without him.

 

[Giggs86]

Probably the worst thread I've ever seen on the caf.

 

[Cheesy]

There was many weird threads about Ronaldo in his first 3 or so seasons. There was many who wanted him sold to Valencia for £20m and Aaron Lennon to come into replace him.

I remember (not on here) there being a fair bit of discussion in 06 whether Ronaldo and Rooney would be able to work together after their clash at the World Cup, with plenty saying that if they couldn't then Ronaldo would likely have to be sacrificed.

 

[Adnan]

I remember (not on here) there being a fair bit of discussion in 06 whether Ronaldo and Rooney would be able to work together after their clash at the World Cup, with plenty saying that if they couldn't then Ronaldo would likely have to be sacrificed.

Rooney was considered the better player by many on here at the time. Ronaldo was a brainless show pony who had zero end product.