What decisions has Ten Hag got right since joining?

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And we're playing like a 3rd division side. Don't remember even Moyes getting the squad to start like this.
Because it’s been a steady decline for a decade now. Every manager leaves it worse than how he found it. It doesn’t matter how other managers start, they had better than the manager following them.
This is it. The natural result.
Take something simple as playing on the edge of the oppositions box. Ever since LVG sterile, side to side football we have been shit at it. From he to shit house Jose who sat back after going a goal up or Ole who sat back and relied on space behind, it’s been about 7 years of not being very good at it. Is Ten Hag supposed to come in and solve that over one summer? 2 games in?
Midfield is another example. How many fecking years of McFred have we suffered through? That’s many years of not being able to play progressive football through midfield.
Don’t even start thinking about fullbacks or it’ll hurt your head.
 

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Excuses? The bulk of this team is done. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Fergie reincarnated isn’t getting a song out of this squad at this point.
But if this is so obvious isn't it a concern that Ten Hag's actions (and words, but that's another thing) suggest he thinks there's something to be gotten out of this squad?

Because I don't find it much comfort to argue Ten Hag is the only man in world football who didn't realise it was this bad.
 

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But if this is so obvious isn't it a concern that Ten Hag's actions (and words, but that's another thing) suggest he thinks there's something to be gotten out of this squad?

Because I don't find it much comfort to argue Ten Hag is the only man in world football who didn't realise it was this bad.
I suppose he should blast the squad, call them all shit, and destroy what little confidence they have left? Basically finish the job that Rangnick started?

He’s going to be stuck with them this season whether he likes it or not. We’re inept in the transfer market, and throwing youth players into this cauldron of misery isn’t going to do them any good.
 

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He had to meet the players, run them on the practice field in bunch of formations and figure out what formation works for this team. He also had to figure out who sucks and who sucks less and play those who suck less. So far he hasn't made any right decisions, just wrong ones.
 

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I suppose he should blast the squad, call them all shit, and destroy what little confidence they have left? Basically finish the job that Rangnick started?

He’s going to be stuck with them this season whether he likes it or not. We’re inept in the transfer market, and throwing youth players into this cauldron of misery isn’t going to do them any good.
Well part of that ineptness is chasing players he's obsessed with (De Jong) to the exclusion of anyone else in world football (his words), signing ex players of questionable fit and going after dog shit with questionable characters (Arnautovic).

Maybe he's forced into that because of the ineptness of the prior planning, I find that believable, but maybe, just maybe, he's demanded control and pushed for these decisions himself. After all, he has a track record of similar failures at Ajax - a club with undoubted quality in this area.
 

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Well part of that ineptness is chasing players he's obsessed with (De Jong) to the exclusion of anyone else in world football (his words), signing ex players of questionable fit and going after dog shit with questionable characters (Arnautovic).

Maybe he's forced into that because of the ineptness of the prior planning, I find that believable, but maybe, just maybe, he's demanded control and pushed for these decisions himself. After all, he has a track record of similar failures at Ajax - a club with undoubted quality in this area.
In either case it is a failing on the club. Hiring a manager who doesn’t align with the strategy and scouting we have in place. Or in the other case, failing to have that strategy and scouting in place. Evidentially I’d be very surprised if it was anything other than the latter.
 

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I feel like instead of thinking analytically, a lot people love to just flock to easiest excuse. The easiest excuse is always the manager.

It's like saying depression is the reason you're not successful, rather than accepting the problem might be that you've spent years doing nothing but eat junk food and sit on your ass all day watching TV. The person in that analogy has allowed themselves to rot, much like our owners have allowed our club to rot.

It might be a bad analogy but basically, it feels like not enough people look back at the events that led to where we are now and instead just point to the easiest thing to fault at face value.

TLDR: Glazers and lack of any sort of coherent strategy is why we are where we are now.
 
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Im far from Erik-Out, but there are definitely a lot of things he could have done differently, but also that the club could have done differently. The main thing would be refusing to speak to Rangnick and get any kind of handover or input, and to just assume that these players would suddenly start to perform under a new manager. I said at the start of the summer that we needed a really good transfer window, we couldnt afford not to. Unfortunately Ten Hag decided that he would give the current crop a(nother) chance.

Similarly, the transfer targets - presumably Ten Hags choices as they have pretty much all previously worked with him - have been uninspired, limited, and no backup options seemingly identified. The club is also - and probably moreso - to blame due to scouting and recruitment deficiencies, but again we have just gotten rid of a man (Ralf) who had identified plenty of targets and has largely been proven right regarding his judgement of them.

We have a few weeks to turn things around, but unfortunately everyone in world football now knows how desperate we are, and a lot of the presumably first/second choices will have already made their moves. The rest of the 'big six' (which feels more like a big five now) were already stronger than us, but all of them have done much better business than us this summer and strengthened considerably;

City - Bought Haaland and Phillips, also Alvarez in January
Liverpool - Nunez, Carvalho, Diaz in January
Arsenal - Zinchenko, Vieira and Jesus, Saliba returning
Chelsea - Sterling, Koulibaly, Cucurella, Chukwuemeka, and still spending it seems
Spurs - Kulu and Bentancur in January, followed by another 6 or so players this summer

Meanwhile we have lost a bunch of players (thankfully), and not even replaced them yet, let alone thought about really strengthening. Our transfer window pales in comparison to the above, and to plenty of others in the league beyond that. Its simply not good enough and we are reaping what we have sown.
 

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Playing with pretty much the same shit side from last year and the same shit captain doesn't help. That's why pre season form is bullshit. Minimum 10 signings we needed and as much leaving but neither have happened. The board needs to get their fecking heads out if their backsides and fast.
 

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I remember Conte get smashed 3-0 at Half Time in his 1st season. I remember that game was a turning point and he went on to win the league. Why can’t that happen with us?
 

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Can we feck off from blaming the manager. This place is so toxic and clowns jumping on the manager already just highlights what. Set of fans we have.
So we shouldn't talk about our manager? Talking and pointing at good and a bad is a meaning of football forum you know.

He is not bulletproof just because he is new. He is our main man now and we all trust him but making him a untouchable (regarding criticsm not sack) is not the way.
 

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We hired a specialist in running football clubs but instead of employing him to do what he's good at and listening to him when he told us what needed to get done, we asked him to be a coach and then fecked him out when he wasn't good at it.

Then we hired a specialist in coaching and instead of letting him coach, we're allowing him try to run the club and will end up fecking him out when he proves not to be good at it.

We are the worst run club in the league. An undercover Liverpool fan trying to sabotage our club couldn't do a better job if he was put in charge.

If it was any other club I'd die laughing at us.
 

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In either case it is a failing on the club. Hiring a manager who doesn’t align with the strategy and scouting we have in place. Or in the other case, failing to have that strategy and scouting in place. Evidentially I’d be very surprised if it was anything other than the latter.
I think that the problem is a lack of confidence throughout the company. Ten Hag might have thought the suggestions he was being given were shit, and maybe they were, but the entire talk from the club was about new modern structures and new demarcations of responsibility. To fold and give Ten Hag all control at the first time of asking just screams that nobody at the club in those positions really believes they know how to run a successful, modern, club.

Why they would then hire a manager like Ten Hag who would ask for this control in the market, given what they were saying before, and why Ten Hag would ask for it despite not having that role at Ajax, are mysteries to me.

I mean if I were to take over at United tomorrow I would clear house at every level, my only remaining concern, and the reason for starting the thread, is I'm not sure if that also includes the manager too. It's not that I think ten Hag is the biggest problem, it's that I think all other problems are so universally recognised he's the only one the jury's still out on.
 

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But if this is so obvious isn't it a concern that Ten Hag's actions (and words, but that's another thing) suggest he thinks there's something to be gotten out of this squad?

Because I don't find it much comfort to argue Ten Hag is the only man in world football who didn't realise it was this bad.
If it was down to ETH, about 7 of these players would never be in his team. The board have shafted him so far with this transfer window. There was no way this was the plan when he joined to start with a squad like this.
 

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Didn't Pep only scrape fourth In his first season. He walked in to a much better team and spent a fortune on players to play to his system.

The owners are not willing to spend big. Ten hag has been shafted.
 

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Probably thought he was going to get players to suit his system - FdJ, Antony and Timber.

It’s like asking Pep to manage Derby County, he can ask them to play out from the back and play Tiki Taka but on match days they’d get slapped every week. Our players are absolutely shite.

I can’t believe people are still blaming managers do you know anything about fecking football?
What about Martinez for £50m, not his fault?
 

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If it was down to ETH, about 7 of these players would never be in his team. The board have shafted him so far with this transfer window. There was no way this was the plan when he joined to start with a squad like this.
What's the evidence to suggest that the bad window is the board shafting him and not him demanding certain players and pursuing them regardless of whether deals can be struck or not? Becuase that's certainly what's happened with midfield, and we massively overpaid for a centre back he demanded too.

I would argue that the evidence of this window to date suggests a structure unwilling or unable to convince a manager to move on to plan b and c (perhaps because said club can't provide options here, or perhaps because Ten Hag can't be convinced these options are any good). What I don't see is evidence that the players we're targeting and the way we're targeting them is out of keeping with what Ten Hag is asking for.
 

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Round and round the spiral goes.

We are gonna have to go through the pain.

But give ETH a chance at least.
 

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I remember Conte get smashed 3-0 at Half Time in his 1st season. I remember that game was a turning point and he went on to win the league. Why can’t that happen with us?
Not sure if serious but we don't have the players good enough for it and all the other teams( City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs) strengthened their squad apart from Liverpool( they replaced Mane with Nunez so more or less similar strength) while we added 3 players who, while clear improvements, are not that great.
 

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He needs time but I feel like too much power got into his head after getting this job. He just did his job of coaching at Ajax and left player selection to others but here why hasn’t he done that?
 

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What about Martinez for £50m, not his fault?
Not personally his fault no. I do question why this club thinks spending 55m on a defender whilst we have Varane sat on the bench is a good idea though especially given our limited budget this summer.
 

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I don’t think this is a joke of a thread at all, there are valid questions to be asked of him.

Why did he not take the captaincy from Maguire (like Gerrard managed to with Mings at Villa)
- why is he so myopic in terms of transfer targets (only players with a Dutch or Ajax link)

- why play Eriksen as a number 9 at home in the first game -

- why point to the squad finishing 2nd ages ago as some kind of barometer of quality and for not making the swingeing changes so obviously needed

- what happened with Ragnick who was in place to advise on recruitment
 

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Well part of that ineptness is chasing players he's obsessed with (De Jong) to the exclusion of anyone else in world football (his words), signing ex players of questionable fit and going after dog shit with questionable characters (Arnautovic).

Maybe he's forced into that because of the ineptness of the prior planning, I find that believable, but maybe, just maybe, he's demanded control and pushed for these decisions himself. After all, he has a track record of similar failures at Ajax - a club with undoubted quality in this area.
Us going after the likes of Arnautovic is suggestive of the level of planning and strategy within the club, ie none.
 

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He needs time but I feel like too much power got into his head after getting this job. He just did his job of coaching at Ajax and left player selection to others but here why hasn’t he done that?
Who else is going to pick them?. I’m sure he’s love to have support like at Ajax but he’s just got apathy and incompetence.
 

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So we shouldn't talk about our manager? Talking and pointing at good and a bad is a meaning of football forum you know.

He is not bulletproof just because he is new. He is our main man now and we all trust him but making him a untouchable (regarding criticsm not sack) is not the way.
Ever since Ragnick it's been a new Caf trait.
 

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Then you’ve not been following very closely.
If you think we should be getting beaten four nil by Brentford based on a player by player comparison then you haven't q clue what you are talking about. No person who actually has a position in the sport, no manager in the premiership for example, would agree with you.
 

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Clubs need to bid for these players, for UTD to get rid!
Usually you have to put an item or player in this case up for sale before the bids come in. Maybe the club are confused about this process as well.
 

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I don’t think this is a joke of a thread at all, there are valid questions to be asked of him.

Why did he not take the captaincy from Maguire (like Gerrard managed to with Mings at Villa)
- why is he so myopic in terms of transfer targets (only players with a Dutch or Ajax link)

- why play Eriksen as a number 9 at home in the first game -

- why point to the squad finishing 2nd ages ago as some kind of barometer of quality and for not making the swingeing changes so obviously needed

- what happened with Rangnick who was in place to advise on recruitment
He was in Austria mate...
 

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I remember Conte get smashed 3-0 at Half Time in his 1st season. I remember that game was a turning point and he went on to win the league. Why can’t that happen with us?
I like this post. I enjoy this line of thinking and it could be a motivating influence; and if anything he's sure to be getting a bead on some of this shite that are week-in-week-out stealing a living. Certainly gives him a greater insight when it comes to team sheets and early subbing.
 

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Not gonna lie, I'm pessimistic as feck that this season's a writr off already and Ten Hag is massively out of his depth. So let's go, what has he got right, and what can we be optimistic about that he's going to put us on the right path.
As he probably realises by now, Ten Hag's biggest mistake was accepting the job in the first place.