What happened to US football - Golden Generation

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I was in the same bar in 14 for the whole cup. Lost my mind when Green scored and lost it again when Wondo missed. Lot of good memories at that BWW. The GM was friends with a few guys on my Over 30 team, so he would open up for early Premier League games and make breakfast/run the taps for 6am starts.
Wondo missed first, would have sent the US into the QF right at the end of regulation. A guy who had no business being in the squad let alone the match missed an open chance. In fairness, the pass did hop slightly on him probably altering the trajectory but a class forward finishes that chance more often than not.
 

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I missed most of today's match with appointments, tried to watch on the phone when possible but damn buffering and the feed was already a solid minute or two behind live action.

Would a bonafide striker have scored? Where there solid scoring chances created that only needed a forward to finish?
 

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I missed most of today's match with appointments, tried to watch on the phone when possible but damn buffering and the feed was already a solid minute or two behind live action.

Would a bonafide striker have scored? Where there solid scoring chances created that only needed a forward to finish?
No, had nothing to do with Sargent or Wright. The US goal came (if I remember correctly, which at this point in my beer journey is debatable) from a nice bit of Sargent holdup play. The real issue was Berhalter being clueless in the second half when Wales swapped out James for that tall fecker. He made no discernible changes to counter.
 

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Agreed...that's on the coach to work them thru that second half and while GB is inexperienced himself as a HC, he's got to be the one who stays level headed and has to recognize when they take the foot off the gas so to speak and just try to play on the counter too early. That second half should have been broken down into 3 15minute games.

First 15 you stick to the same game plan and go for it with the same pressure.....Second 15, assuming the score is still 1-0, you bring on the fresh legs and go to more of a medium block. Make sure you stay nice n compact to frustrate Wales. Last 15 you simply look to play on the counter. Go to a double pivot 4231 and just let the front 3 attack on counters while the other 7 defend. This is a young team and learning how to see games out is a painful lesson to have to learn in a WC. To be fair, they did a decent job of it b/c Wales didn't really create any big chances bar the one set piece and unfortunate that Zimmerman lost his head in the box and didn't just move his feet.
 

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Agreed...that's on the coach to work them thru that second half and while GB is inexperienced himself as a HC, he's got to be the one who stays level headed and has to recognize when they take the foot off the gas so to speak and just try to play on the counter too early. That second half should have been broken down into 3 15minute games.

First 15 you stick to the same game plan and go for it with the same pressure.....Second 15, assuming the score is still 1-0, you bring on the fresh legs and go to more of a medium block. Make sure you stay nice n compact to frustrate Wales. Last 15 you simply look to play on the counter. Go to a double pivot 4231 and just let the front 3 attack on counters while the other 7 defend. This is a young team and learning how to see games out is a painful lesson to have to learn in a WC. To be fair, they did a decent job of it b/c Wales didn't really create any big chances bar the one set piece and unfortunate that Zimmerman lost his head in the box and didn't just move his feet.
You’re hired. Let’s gofundme an airfare for you cuz this makes more sense than anything captain bald face has said.
 

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Berhalter has been questioned all week why he brought Morris over Pepi. Tonight’s substitution (Morris over Reyna) was 100% Berhalter trying to prove himself correct. His ego is more important than winning. Let’s go Berhalter bros, where you at? Come tell us all why that draw was a masterclass.
 

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Wondo missed first, would have sent the US into the QF right at the end of regulation. A guy who had no business being in the squad let alone the match missed an open chance. In fairness, the pass did hop slightly on him probably altering the trajectory but a class forward finishes that chance more often than not.
I have to disagree with you on Wondo.

Every tournament squad needs a poacher for the last minute goal, Wondo was in my opinion the best poacher the US had at the time. Granted, he wasn't good enough to start games but you needed someone like him in your squad.
 

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I have to disagree with you on Wondo.

Every tournament squad needs a poacher for the last minute goal, Wondo was in my opinion the best poacher the US had at the time. Granted, he wasn't good enough to start games but you needed someone like him in your squad.
But. He. Missed.
We can argue if he belonged in the squad (and loads of fans were shocked he made it), and we can argue if he should have been on thr field (I remember the whole bar losing its collective shit when he came on), but we can’t argue about how fantastically shit he was when he came on.
 

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But. He. Missed.
We can argue if he belonged in the squad (and loads of fans were shocked he made it), and we can argue if he should have been on thr field (I remember the whole bar losing its collective shit when he came on), but we can’t argue about how fantastically shit he was when he came on.
He's an MLS legend and the highest goal scorer in the league. That tells you how poor the league has been and will continue to be. It's a feeder league and anybody worth their weight will be transferred by the league a la Almiron.

This thread has gone off the rails and is serving as a de facto USMNT World Cup Performance thread, which it shouldn't be.

A Golden Generation has to be performing or winning across multiple tournaments on the world stage for at least 2 cycles. Belgium is at the end of their cycle, but that even started around 2010 and at the very least 2014. The development of out and out strikers/CFs and a CB, plus an experienced manager is essential to a legitimate U.S. Golden Generation.
 

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look there are two ways of thinking.....

US hired GB because he is younger, a former player and can relate with the youth movement going on inside US Soccer
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US Soccer should have hired a more seasoned gaffer to help mature this younger generation of American players


what i'm getting sick of though is guys on social media like Gary Kleiban always making it about race and how US Soccer has neglected minorities in particular mexican american players.

Never in my life have i met a coach who won't bring along a player b/c of the color of his skin
 

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it's a cushy job 80% of the time and a big salary, why wouldn't he want to get an extension? it's not like clubs are going to be beating down his door to hire him
 

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now is the perfect time to upgrade the manager with one who can take us to the next level tactically. Zero belief in USSF not doing something stupid though.
 

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the question is WHO? You might have to look outside the US to find someone BUT that brings in the question of a manager who doesn't understand the american culture or the personnel. Jurgen was a complete failure for the federation
 

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the question is WHO? You might have to look outside the US to find someone BUT that brings in the question of a manager who doesn't understand the american culture or the personnel. Jurgen was a complete failure for the federation
The guys on the Athletic podcast Allocation Disorder talked about this last week at the end of the podcast and I thought their take was interesting. Basically, that it is going to be hard to interest anyone in the job because the only "competitive" games before 2026 are going to be Gold Cup and Nations League. It is why it will be very important to get an invite to the 2024 Copa America.
 

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The guys on the Athletic podcast Allocation Disorder talked about this last week at the end of the podcast and I thought their take was interesting. Basically, that it is going to be hard to interest anyone in the job because the only "competitive" games before 2026 are going to be Gold Cup and Nations League. It is why it will be very important to get an invite to the 2024 Copa America.
true...at the same time knowing that you are hosting and qualified, you can really push the envelope iwth the friendly matches and schedule much more difficult competition. If they can get an invite to the 24 Copa America that would be fantastic from a competition standpoint.
 

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I believe the Copa is nailed on for the US and likely Canada and Mexico taking part as well. Guessing a 16-team tournament is the final result with three additional nations added. Perhaps a couple European nations that fail to make the Euros could be invited, or CONMEBOL goes for the money nations like Saudi.
 

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The guys on the Athletic podcast Allocation Disorder talked about this last week at the end of the podcast and I thought their take was interesting. Basically, that it is going to be hard to interest anyone in the job because the only "competitive" games before 2026 are going to be Gold Cup and Nations League. It is why it will be very important to get an invite to the 2024 Copa America.
yeah idk i dont quite agree with that viewpoint. If anything i agree with the other viewpoint that it allows more tactical tweaking and time to find the right overall fit. Will be easy to schedule tough friendlies if you want them, and the big cherry on top is managing the USMNT in a home world cup. That last fact alone would be huge for most managers.
 

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the question is WHO? You might have to look outside the US to find someone BUT that brings in the question of a manager who doesn't understand the american culture or the personnel. Jurgen was a complete failure for the federation
Complete failure?

Under him the US got as far this WC as they did under Klinsmann (including getting out of the group of death), went to the semis of the Copa America beating a few decent South American sides, they played many more games against higher quality teams (Gregg padded his numbers by playing easy teams over and over), beat a number of teams including Germany and Italy in friendlies and played many away (something Gregg rarely did), and seemed to kickstart the dual-citizen campaign that others have continued after him (Brooks, Johnson, and Jones were key pieces for him).

He absolutely bombed after 2014 but to say he was a disaster is wrong. He was there to disrupt the US federation and bring in higher demands both on the team and the overall system (youth teams, style, management, etc), and I think he did well.
 

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Klinsmann was a Wondlowski missed sitter from a QF matchup against Argentina. I think his time was an overall success especially compared to the preceding dull Bradley era. Klinsmann brought something different tactically and from a philosophical view, and he wasn't afraid to tell the pro-MLS USSF to stfu. The federation should learn that retaining a manager for a second cycle is when shit goes bad, like spoiled milk.
 
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