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Could be and I'd be delighted to see Bruno and Pogba rip it up together, maybe against teams in the bottom 6 it will happen..... Bruno....
Pogba...Fred/Mctominay
Whether this midfield works or not, you're definitely going to see us try out
The combination of Pogba-McTominay-Lingard/Pereira happened from the first game of the season, against Chelsea - not cannon fodder. As disappointed as you were by that composition, Solskjaer continued with it until he was forced into a change with Pogba’s injury.Could be and I'd be delighted to see Bruno and Pogba rip it up together, maybe against teams in the bottom 6 it will happen.
I just don't think we are strong enough defensively to accommodate both of them. One of the main reasons we've been solid defensively is down to Fred's incredible form and box to box energy, and the experienced streetwise positional sense of Matic to mop things up next to him. Without those two building a barrier infront of the defence, I think Lindelof might get targeted again by powerful opposition forwards, even though he's been playing very well also lately. But against teams in the top half of the table, I don't think defensively we would cope with both Bruno and Pogba in a midfield 3.
Pogba started off well in the PL opener against a woeful Chelsea. In the next game against Wolves, things were going OK until Pogba grabbed the ball off designated peno taker Rashford to miss a crucial chance to win the game. Suddenly the doom and gloom returns around the club with Pogba ignoring Ole's orders to steal the ball for the crucial peno. In the next game away to Palace, Pogba gives another half arsed performance and then loses possession in midfield leading to Palace scoring the winner. Pogba is clearly unhappy but of course will never take responsibility for crap performances, it's always the teams fault in his head. Then next game Pogba is having a shocker away to Southampton before moving into the No. 10 position late in the game where he provides an assist leading to an equaliser against a team that everyone else is thumping. So Pogba gets his injury and we have to endure months of listening to his agent and his brother ridiculing the club. In steps Bruno in January and he proves that the team is nowhere near as bad as Pogba and his agent suggest, and fans start to wonder why Pogba could never have even had half the impact Bruno has had in a short space of time.The combination of Pogba-McTominay-Lingard/Pereira happened from the first game of the season, against Chelsea - not cannon fodder. As disappointed as you were by that composition, Solskjaer continued with it until he was forced into a change with Pogba’s injury.
Busquest was much better than Fred in CDM role. If we want to play like Barca, we should sign a CDM like Partey.When we have 2 of the best creative midfielder around, just play them together. I mean, if Barca can play Xavi+Ineista+Busquet together and able to form the best midfield trio in the decade/century, why can't we try to play Pogba+Bruno+Fred together? Yes they are not strong defensively, but neither was Barca trio.
None of this is truePogba started off well in the PL opener against a woeful Chelsea. In the next game against Wolves, things were going OK until Pogba grabbed the ball off designated peno taker Rashford to miss a crucial chance to win the game. Suddenly the doom and gloom returns around the club with Pogba ignoring Ole's orders to steal the ball for the crucial peno. In the next game away to Palace, Pogba gives another half arsed performance and then loses possession in midfield leading to Palace scoring the winner. Pogba is clearly unhappy but of course will never take responsibility for crap performances, it's always the teams fault in his head. Then next game Pogba is having a shocker away to Southampton before moving into the No. 10 position late in the game where he provides an assist leading to an equaliser against a team that everyone else is thumping. So Pogba gets his injury and we have to endure months of listening to his agent and his brother ridiculing the club. In steps Bruno in January and he proves that the team is nowhere near as bad as Pogba and his agent suggest, and fans start to wonder why Pogba could never have even had half the impact Bruno has had in a short space of time.
I just believe if it's not broken then don't fix it. I don't think Ole has much time for Pogba anymore. He clearly cannot be trusted on or off the pitch. His ego is too big fir the club. Fred and Bruno are the first names on the team sheet. Matic also is so important to our current system. I just don't see where Pogba fits in, and I think the club are absolutely desperate to get rid of him at this point, even if they are saying otherwise. But Pogba can still have a role to play in the remaining PL fixture that will probably kick off again around August/September if he's not gone already by then.
Busquet was a better player but he was not particular strong defensively. Xavi+Inesta+Busquet is not particular strong in defence either.Busquest was much better than Fred in CDM role. If we want to play like Barca, we should sign a CDM like Partey.
And Barca had Puyol and Pique as their CB.
Contrary to what others are saying. I believe your comment is absolutely true.Pogba started off well in the PL opener against a woeful Chelsea. In the next game against Wolves, things were going OK until Pogba grabbed the ball off designated peno taker Rashford to miss a crucial chance to win the game. Suddenly the doom and gloom returns around the club with Pogba ignoring Ole's orders to steal the ball for the crucial peno. In the next game away to Palace, Pogba gives another half arsed performance and then loses possession in midfield leading to Palace scoring the winner. Pogba is clearly unhappy but of course will never take responsibility for crap performances, it's always the teams fault in his head. Then next game Pogba is having a shocker away to Southampton before moving into the No. 10 position late in the game where he provides an assist leading to an equaliser against a team that everyone else is thumping. So Pogba gets his injury and we have to endure months of listening to his agent and his brother ridiculing the club. In steps Bruno in January and he proves that the team is nowhere near as bad as Pogba and his agent suggest, and fans start to wonder why Pogba could never have even had half the impact Bruno has had in a short space of time.
I just believe if it's not broken then don't fix it. I don't think Ole has much time for Pogba anymore. He clearly cannot be trusted on or off the pitch. His ego is too big fir the club. Fred and Bruno are the first names on the team sheet. Matic also is so important to our current system. I just don't see where Pogba fits in, and I think the club are absolutely desperate to get rid of him at this point, even if they are saying otherwise. But Pogba can still have a role to play in the remaining PL fixture that will probably kick off again around August/September if he's not gone already by then.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with the game-by-game breakdown and all the imaginative elements you’ve poured into it? Have you reimagined the Southampton game to fit your idea that Pogba can only play as the most attacking midfielder? Or to give some kind of tangible root to your assumption that Solskjaer will not use him in the two on his return?Pogba started off well in the PL opener against a woeful Chelsea. In the next game against Wolves, things were going OK until Pogba grabbed the ball off designated peno taker Rashford to miss a crucial chance to win the game. Suddenly the doom and gloom returns around the club with Pogba ignoring Ole's orders to steal the ball for the crucial peno. In the next game away to Palace, Pogba gives another half arsed performance and then loses possession in midfield leading to Palace scoring the winner. Pogba is clearly unhappy but of course will never take responsibility for crap performances, it's always the teams fault in his head. Then next game Pogba is having a shocker away to Southampton before moving into the No. 10 position late in the game where he provides an assist leading to an equaliser against a team that everyone else is thumping. So Pogba gets his injury and we have to endure months of listening to his agent and his brother ridiculing the club. In steps Bruno in January and he proves that the team is nowhere near as bad as Pogba and his agent suggest, and fans start to wonder why Pogba could never have even had half the impact Bruno has had in a short space of time.
I just believe if it's not broken then don't fix it. I don't think Ole has much time for Pogba anymore. He clearly cannot be trusted on or off the pitch. His ego is too big fir the club. Fred and Bruno are the first names on the team sheet. Matic also is so important to our current system. I just don't see where Pogba fits in, and I think the club are absolutely desperate to get rid of him at this point, even if they are saying otherwise. But Pogba can still have a role to play in the remaining PL fixture that will probably kick off again around August/September if he's not gone already by then.
The point I'm trying to make is that Pogba playing as a deeper midfielder in a midfield 3, has only ever been nothing short of a disaster at this club. Play him as a No. 10 and he's awesome. But Bruno appears to be playing that role now, and Fred and Matic behind him have been flawless in doing the basics, so I don't see Pogba getting in this Utd team, unless it's as a No. 10 when Bruno needs a rest.I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with the game-by-game breakdown and all the imaginative elements you’ve poured into it? Have you reimagined the Southampton game to fit your idea that Pogba can only play as the most attacking midfielder? Or to give some kind of tangible root to your assumption that Solskjaer will not use him in the two on his return?
What? Busquets is great defensively.Busquet was a better player but he was not particular strong defensively. Xavi+Inesta+Busquet is not particular strong in defence either.
That is just blatantly untrue. Pogba has certainly had bad games and bad periods but, as described by another poster above, there is no link between these and his position on the pitch. He has spent ample time in both roles over his time here (with perhaps a slight majority in the deeper role) and has had highs and lows in both. A great example is, again, mentioned above - when Solskjaer first took charge Pogba excelled playing in an advanced left-sided midfield role in a 4-3-3 and diamond setup, but his performances tailed off in line with the rest of the side, initially in the same formations and then in varying roles in varying setups as we attempted to stop the fall.The point I'm trying to make is that Pogba playing as a deeper midfielder in a midfield 3, has only ever been nothing short of a disaster at this club. Play him as a No. 10 and he's awesome. But Bruno appears to be playing that role now, and Fred and Matic behind him have been flawless in doing the basics, so I don't see Pogba getting in this Utd team, unless it's as a No. 10 when Bruno needs a rest.
Sure he is great def midfielder, he average 2.6 tackle and 2 interception per game, is obviously a a very good stats. Fred career average 2.1 tackle and 1.3 interception. He is obviously not as good, but not that far behind defensively.What? Busquets is great defensively.
Except you're forgetting that Barca literally had the ball for 95% of the match.Sure he is great def midfielder, he average 2.6 tackle and 2 interception per game, is obviously a a very good stats. Fred career average 2.1 tackle and 1.3 interception. He is obviously not as good, but not that far behind defensively.
What I mean is, Pogba+Bruno+Fred isn't really that poor defensively when compared to Xavi+Iniesta+Busquet trio:
Career average:
Xavi (0.8 tackle, 0.9 interception)
Iniesta (1.4 tackle, 0.8 interception)
Busquet (2.6 tackle, 2 interception)
Total: 4.6 tackle, 3.7 interception
Pogba (1.9 tackle, 1 interception)
Bruno (1.5 tackle, 0.8 interception)
Fred (2.1 tackle, 1.3 interception)
Total: 5.5 tackle, 3.1 interception
Of course, you can argue offensively Barca trio is far better, theres simply no debate on that, but that's not my point.
Yes but my originally point is, having Pogba and Bruno, two of the most creative midfielder and best ball passer playing together, it could still work if we focus more on the attacking side and when the game is under controlled by us.Except you're forgetting that Barca literally had the ball for 95% of the match.
Unless they were kicking it off their own teammates, their need to perform defensively was substantially less than our own.
I thought we get best result when we have 30% possession of the ball?Yes but my originally point is, having Pogba and Bruno, two of the most creative midfielder and best ball passer playing together, it could still work if we focus more on the attacking side and when the game is under controlled by us.
Thats when we didnt have players like Pogba and Bruno at our disposal.I thought we get best result when we have 30% possession of the ball?
Against Southampton?Thats when we didnt have players like Pogba and Bruno at our disposal.
Mourinho era was long gone. These days there's isn't any team that can consistently win trophies with only 30% possession of the ball. We surely are not inspiring ourself to be one.I thought we get best result when we have 30% possession of the ball?
What are you asking me?Against Southampton?
Come on, even the Mourinho era win games with higher possession ratio.Mourinho era was long gone. These days there's isn't any team that can consistently win trophies with only 30% possession of the ball. We surely are not inspiring ourself to be one.
What are you taking about? Pogba has been injured this season, and last season he was officially voted Premierleague team of the year, and has the best stats out of all players we have got, and probably out of all midfielders in the league too (other than De Bruyne). Yes he is not consistent throughout the season, but so are our whole team.Come on, even the Mourinho era win games with higher possession ratio.
We go deep against strong teams with a very low possession rate, and somehow we got great result.
But you can't repeat this against teams parking the bus, or teams OK with a draw and applying the same tactics against us. This is where we have trouble.
The point that I wanted to make, was that since Jan, Bruno has helped us unlocking this key, with a team much more capable in controlling the game WHILE also able to win.
The 2nd point that I wanted to make, while Pogba has that potential, he has failed to demonstrate it this season, refused to show it under Mourinho's last (half anyway) season, he showed that for about few games under Ole, then AWOL for the rest of last season.
So who do you want to trust?
Don't bother with these folks. Their hatred for Pogba paralyzes their eyes.What are you taking about? Pogba has been injured this season, and last season he was officially voted Premier league team of the year, and has the best stats out of all players we have got, and probably out of all midfielders in the league too (other than De Bruyne). Yes he is not consistent throughout the season, but so are our whole team.