They consistently have lessor quality than other giants but during his spell have managed to do really well. Even in the year they lost to Bayern they should have won. Not my favourite either as Sarri's football is better to watch but the balance of Allegri's set up makes him extremely successful.
Who’s is currently the best manager in the world?
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Yeah, Someone Else is one of the top contenders for managerial replacements for most clubs.
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Lazy way of shutting down a debate but then proceeds to cite improvement of individual players as a metric to measure a good manager. Firstly, you do not support United. So, i'll forgive you for not knowing the players who have improved under Mourinho.
So, you listed out a few criteria and then claims there isn't such thnig as the best manager in the world. So, why are you in this thread?
I haven't read all of the threads (so forgive me if I'm repeating).
I don't think it should be about who's the best manager these days. What I see is that we have managers who specialise in different areas.
Pep Guardiola is the best at taking teams with top technical players and making them dominate a league.
You have someone like Jurgen Klopp who's great at turning a top 7 level club and milking the best out of his players to get them to perform at their best.
Would they have been able to do what Ranieri did at Leicester? Probably not!
You have the likes Pulis, Allardice and Moyes (Everton days) who have been good at managing poor to mediocre teams and getting the most out of them to finish between 8 - 17 in the league every year. Imagine Pep going to Stoke trying to play tika taka?
Johan Cruyff was a great manager, but who's he without the Dream Team?
Luis Enrique won a Champions League with Barcelona, I bet he would struggle in the Premier League.
Some people rave on about Zidane, apart from managing the B team beforehand, he had no experience. Look what he's done with Madrid?
I don't think there's been a manager since Fergie, who can manage a mediocre team (Aberdeen) but also manage top teams. He's able to work with limited resources, youth players, rebuilding, delegate.
All I see nowadays, are managers who are suited for a purpose. City planned to get Pep since 2012.
I don't think it should be about who's the best manager these days. What I see is that we have managers who specialise in different areas.
Pep Guardiola is the best at taking teams with top technical players and making them dominate a league.
You have someone like Jurgen Klopp who's great at turning a top 7 level club and milking the best out of his players to get them to perform at their best.
Would they have been able to do what Ranieri did at Leicester? Probably not!
You have the likes Pulis, Allardice and Moyes (Everton days) who have been good at managing poor to mediocre teams and getting the most out of them to finish between 8 - 17 in the league every year. Imagine Pep going to Stoke trying to play tika taka?
Johan Cruyff was a great manager, but who's he without the Dream Team?
Luis Enrique won a Champions League with Barcelona, I bet he would struggle in the Premier League.
Some people rave on about Zidane, apart from managing the B team beforehand, he had no experience. Look what he's done with Madrid?
I don't think there's been a manager since Fergie, who can manage a mediocre team (Aberdeen) but also manage top teams. He's able to work with limited resources, youth players, rebuilding, delegate.
All I see nowadays, are managers who are suited for a purpose. City planned to get Pep since 2012.
He evidently can't if you followed football the last two years.
Giving opinions.
Come on guys, i know its a united forum but still klopp deserves more credit for sure.
1) first job at Mainz 05 - got them promoted to top division, also qualified for 2005-06 UEFA cup.
2) Second job Dortmond - when he was apointed dortmond manager that team was as good as Everton. Finished 13th the year before. Got them to 2 league titles, 1 pokal cup, 1 ucl final ... Literally without any funds or substantial backing.
3) Liverpool - remember it was a mid season appointment and he did not signed any player that year ( may be that's what cost him the Europa title) , took Liverpool to 2 finals, back to back top 4 finishes ( looks very likely) , champions league quarter final place ...and you nevwr know
I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinions but still come on lads...tuchel, poch, serri ? Better than klopp?
1) first job at Mainz 05 - got them promoted to top division, also qualified for 2005-06 UEFA cup.
2) Second job Dortmond - when he was apointed dortmond manager that team was as good as Everton. Finished 13th the year before. Got them to 2 league titles, 1 pokal cup, 1 ucl final ... Literally without any funds or substantial backing.
3) Liverpool - remember it was a mid season appointment and he did not signed any player that year ( may be that's what cost him the Europa title) , took Liverpool to 2 finals, back to back top 4 finishes ( looks very likely) , champions league quarter final place ...and you nevwr know
I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinions but still come on lads...tuchel, poch, serri ? Better than klopp?
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The best atm are in my opinion:
1. Pep Really dominant the Premier League this season like no one has done. Need to see what he do in the CL.
2. Sarri Not silverware in the time he is in charge of Napoli but i give a lot of credit to a guy who can competive the Serie A against Juve. Remeber that Napoli squad is in mayority very average.
3. Cholo Simeone Yeah, this year got out very early in the CL but surpresily has been the only team who actually might take La Liga. Only a superb goal of Messi was the difference last match.
1. Pep Really dominant the Premier League this season like no one has done. Need to see what he do in the CL.
2. Sarri Not silverware in the time he is in charge of Napoli but i give a lot of credit to a guy who can competive the Serie A against Juve. Remeber that Napoli squad is in mayority very average.
3. Cholo Simeone Yeah, this year got out very early in the CL but surpresily has been the only team who actually might take La Liga. Only a superb goal of Messi was the difference last match.
1. Got them relegated as a farewell present as well
2. Did fantastic job even if we count the last disastrous season, no arguments here
3. Alright, but nothing amazing so far.
Agree on Tuchel, probably on Sarri (although I like his Napoli side more than Klopp's Liverpool, he has spent less as well) though. Klopp shouldn't be mentioned as the best non-Pep manager in the world, but he'd definitely make my top-10.
He may not win trophies, but as an LFC fan, I like that you are standing up for your manager.
It's quite sobering to see the hatred that some MUFC fans have for their manager and players.
Unfortunately, he won't win any trophies. So if he managed MUFC for say 3 years, that's 3 years of being trophy-less. I think he'd consistently get us 3rd or 4th place, though.
SAF thought exactly the same thing about Moyes.
A manager who has never won a trophy should never be given the MUFC job. It's too big and difficult and he'll be crushed under the weight of expectation (as Moyes found out).
I seriously dont get that, if klopp can take that dortmond team which finished 13th to 2 league titles, 1 pokal cup and 1 champions league final , why cant he win a title with Man United specially with the 310miln mourinho spent ? Is there logical argument for it?
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Why should Zidane ever consider to drop one of the most important players in the RM & contributed for the success in recent seasons?
I don't really see any valid reason for any coach to throw his players under the bus a la Mourinho? Other than media for having a field day, there's really no gain for not doing that. Also, Zidane has defended a lots of players who have been criticized throughout this season and not just Benzema who's still a key member for the team and is least of their problems.
Real Madrid's shocking defence is the biggest reason why they have struggled badly and dropping points, despite Keylor Navas doing his best with making heroic saves. They have already conceded 30 goals whereas Barca and Atleti have conceded 13 and 12 goals respectively. Real Madrid are made nearly 70 goals in La Liga, so that's not really the main issue here.
Christ, what is it with you and Benzema? Do you even watch our games? He's been atrocious for a while now. How can anyone be so biased as you? Are you a fecking family member of him or something?
What is your nationality?
No there isn't, he's a bloody good manager and he's taking Liverpool in the right direction
I would say Klopp is up there. How many of the Liverpool team would anyone on here admit to wanting at United? Probably none. It would be easy to say Salah, but before he went there he was not rated by anyone. He has them at a very similar level to us and the way we are both playing they will probably overtake us before the end of the season.
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well spottedHaha. I'm neither a Real Madrid fan or even a relative to Karim, but the criticism towards him is really unfair/harsh from guys who apparently only judging a player's performance based on Livescore and ignoring Benzema's immense contributions in other aspects of the game. His goalscoring production might be a bit low, which is pretty understandable since most of the chances goes to CR7 whereas Benzema doesn't spends much time inside the box and shooting (1.5 shots/game domestically according to WhoScored). But Real Madrid are still producing shiteloads of goals anyway and Benzema is involved in many of these occasions, which doesn't really make him as 'atrocious' as you're making it out. If anything, I'd rather say that for Sergio Ramos, Carvajal, Marcelo, Casemiro who have been major reasons for RM's diablolical defence and being behind ca 20 points behind Barca.
My nationality is irrelevent...
And btw, Zidane's achievements as a RM-manager speaks for itself on why he's among one of the best coaches in the world regardless on him trusting Benz.
While he doesn't belong in a top 10 conversation, Sean Dyche has arguably the worst squad in the league on paper year in and year out and has them hovering around mid-table most of the time. Pretty remarkable IMO.
Does Tite crack the top10?
Corinthians 2011-2015 Beat Chelsea in the CWC, won the Libertadores and the Brazilian Serie A twice.
Brazil NT 2016- Broke records in the qualifiers , winning 12 and only drawing two games, no losses.
Corinthians 2011-2015 Beat Chelsea in the CWC, won the Libertadores and the Brazilian Serie A twice.
Brazil NT 2016- Broke records in the qualifiers , winning 12 and only drawing two games, no losses.
The bald cnut is easily the best and has been the best since he turned a professional manager, but I would probably have Mourinho second.
After that Simon, Allegri, Heynckess and Ancelotti (he still exists), with Zidane, Enrique, Klopp, and Conte in top 10 too (not in order).
Not a big fan of putting managers in pedestal before they win many trophies (Pocchetino, Jardim, Valerde) neither putting them from top 3 to outside of list (Mourinho and Ancelotti) after a less than stellar season.
Anyway, I would say that Someone is easily the best in limited budget, with Pep being the best and by far the most influential assuming that he has a blank cheque.
After that Simon, Allegri, Heynckess and Ancelotti (he still exists), with Zidane, Enrique, Klopp, and Conte in top 10 too (not in order).
Not a big fan of putting managers in pedestal before they win many trophies (Pocchetino, Jardim, Valerde) neither putting them from top 3 to outside of list (Mourinho and Ancelotti) after a less than stellar season.
Anyway, I would say that Someone is easily the best in limited budget, with Pep being the best and by far the most influential assuming that he has a blank cheque.
Mane and salah and firmino would walk into our team. it hurts me to say it but no point being ignorant. Could be a couple others...debatable
I didn't say how many I thought would walk into our team. I said how many on here. Read it again a few times.
Ah....my bad. Had to read it a few times!
No problem. I'll read yours again, too.
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I will never take Klopp seriously until he actually understands the defensive part of the game. He gets his team to score many goals, but it comes at a big cost, the ultimate cost. Sure they are still in the Champions League which they will never win, but the guy was basically without a chance of winning a title since January or whevever they bounced out of the FA Cup. When they lose to City in the CL, and they will, their season must be deemed a huge failure once again. Without Salah banging in all these goals, who knows where they would have been right now. I am not taking away their attacking play, my god we’d never do anything like they did against Watford, but what the hell does it matter when you manage to let in three goals at home to WBA and letting Shane Long scoring a hat-trick?
Klopp is a show and they score goals, but football is only about winning trophies. It’s only when you’re winning trophies that you can talk about style and flair, before that everything else are excuses.
If Zidane is so great then how come they are so far behind in the league this year?
because nobody wins the league every single year, minus bayern and that weak german division? I mean come on back to back UCL champions and in it still this year. Pretty sure every single person here would take that for united and not give a rats ass about league position if we were 1st or 5th
Some crappy games aside, Jose Mourinho will certainly make my list of 10 potential best managers in the world. I think people underestimate the work he is doing at United.
He won the DFB Pokal with Dortmund.
So still nothing that Klopp hasn't achieved.He won the DFB Pokal with Dortmund.
Not how they spend. Wenger is a big problem but the board is also a big problem for Arsenal. Arsenal needs new ownership.
The biggest problem with Real is their defense they let Pepe go without a proper replacement and Varane is not a player for Real.
Nah Pepe isn't at the same level he was 2 years ago.
Hard to argue against Pep at the moment, with money the best is Pep without a question. Not only for titles but the way he makes his teams play, completely dominant. I dont think any other manager can achive that even with the same money.
With less budget for me is Simeone, the way he has changed atletico, won the league and was minutes away from winning the champions twice. Even when atletico keep selling their best players (Aguero, Falcao, Diego Costa, Courtouis, Miranda, Arda Turan, Mandzukic, etc) he always finds a way to keep their team competitive. I remember the first time he reached the UCL final ten out of the eleven players of the starting squad were in atletico before his arrival, most of them were nobodys and he transformed them. This season hasnt been great for them, but still is one of the greatest.
With less budget for me is Simeone, the way he has changed atletico, won the league and was minutes away from winning the champions twice. Even when atletico keep selling their best players (Aguero, Falcao, Diego Costa, Courtouis, Miranda, Arda Turan, Mandzukic, etc) he always finds a way to keep their team competitive. I remember the first time he reached the UCL final ten out of the eleven players of the starting squad were in atletico before his arrival, most of them were nobodys and he transformed them. This season hasnt been great for them, but still is one of the greatest.
At what?