Didn't he scored 48 goals in La Liga in the 14/15 season while missing a couple of games because he was injured? With his average that season, that means that he would hit 50+ goals if he played all games. It's not like it matters, but its not like the guy was miles away from doing it either. Feels like it's something that could have easily happened, therefore I wouldn't be surprised.Nah, not really. We don't particularly care and there are no acrimonious rivalries like that - mostly because we're not fans of players as a rule, we're fans of teams. So those comparisons might happen between active players, but those kind of historical ones, not so much. We mostly just don't care. Also no, while we do revere our past greats, we've had enough recent greats - and winning ones at that, world champions - that it's not blasphemy to compare them
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See above. Baggio vs Del Piero was a thing very briefly, Del Piero vs Totti more so, but again, not something people particuparly cared about. Only Roma and Juventus fans did and neither cared about what the others thought anyways, so. For the neutrals, it's Baggio anyways
Hardly carried them given how good those sides were and how well they did in the league. Plus they beat a United side in transition, and even managed to lose the title to them once anyways - if anything that was the season you could say Henry carried them, and they didn't win. Then Roman came along and that was that.
Funny thing is they were actually still a great team without Messi, but when Messi was on the pitch everybody else just sort of stood around waiting for him to win by himself. The Zlatan effect. Messi being Messi he still won the league twice and nearly got them in a CL final...
I would have been. Again, something that happened once and by a guy who scored over 90 goals in a calendar year, reaching a level of consistency in goal scoring that's never been seen before or after
Who is the better player: Mbappe or Henry?
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Internationally it’s Mbappe but I think Henry has done it in the hardest league in the world where as Mbappe had it easy in France, will probably have it easy at Real Madrid. Henry for me.
Yes. But being able to play 38 games while juggling CL is itself something that doesn't happen
"The Thierry Henry finish" is almost automatic for Mbappé these days. Give him that angle within 25 yards of goal and you're hoping he hits the post basically
No, feck him. We don't need him and I'd rather spend way too much money on another brazilian teenOhhhh somebody’s got the gooogly eyes and wants Kylian back…
Well supposedly "Messinho" Estevao is supposed to be the best of them all!
Until the next "best of them all" shows up at least
we should sign him too Club level, Henry.
International, Mbappe.
Pick the one you prefer, i'll go with club football, personally.
Talent-wise, probably not much in it.
International, Mbappe.
Pick the one you prefer, i'll go with club football, personally.
Talent-wise, probably not much in it.
I prefer Henry's peak at club level but I struggle to put him above for this simple reason, in continental competitions Henry has played 115 games, registered 51 goals and 16 assists. Mbappé played 61 games, registered 48 goals and 22 assists.
Now people will rightfully say that raw stats aren't everything but when the gap is that big, it has to represent something.
Now people will rightfully say that raw stats aren't everything but when the gap is that big, it has to represent something.
One thing i noticed when looking at their CL records is that they are a good example of the smaller teams that would be expected to (and quite often did) finish 3rd and 4th being more competitive in the '00s. Mbappe has come through in the era of those team regularly taking beatings, and even though he's unarguably been a prolific scorer against the bigger teams, he's certainly picked up his share of goals in those games.
Look at the games in which both scored/assisted where smaller league (outside top 6-7 coefficient) teams are losing by a GD of at least 3-4 goals
Mbappe:
17/18:
vs Celtic 5-0 = 1 goal
vs Anderlecht 4-0 = 1 goal, 1 assist
vs Anderlecht 5-0 = 1 assist
vs Celtic 7-0 = 1 goal
18/19:
vs Red Star 6-1 = 1 goal, 1 assist
vs Red Star 4-1 = 1 goal, 2 assists
19/20:
vs Brugge 5-0 = 3 goals, 1 assist
vs Galatasaray 5-0 = 1 goal, 3 assists
20/21:
vs Basaksehir 5-1 = 2 goals, 1 assist
21/22:
vs Brugge 4-1 = 2 goals, 1 assist
22/23:
vs Maccabi Haifa 7-2 = 2 goals, 2 assists
15 goals, 13 assists
Henry:
97/98:
vs Lierse 5-1 = 1 goal
02/03:
PSV 4-0 = 1 goal, 2 assists. Personally wouldn't include this as Dutch league was still quite good at this stage when compared to a decade later, but some might.
04/05:
vs Rosenborg 5-1 = 1 goal
05/06:
vs Sparta Prague 3-0 = 1 goal
3 goals against unarguably smaller league teams getting beatings.
Mbappe has 31 goals/10 assists against top five league teams in 53 games and 8 substantial tournaments regarding minutes played. Henry has 29 goals/15 assists in 67 games and about 10-11 substantial tournaments (depending on your view of 09/10). I couldn't be bothered to do the per minutes played stuff for each, and just did this quickly on transfermarkt so there could be a slight miscount or two in there. Personally i don't have a strong opinion either way on who is better, and there's no doubt Mbappe will be well ahead by the end of his career, but it's not hard to see Mbappe has benefited a lot so far (in terms of closing the numbers gap so quickly) from the increasing concentration of talent into fewer leagues/teams, and smaller sides becoming regular punching bags.
Look at the games in which both scored/assisted where smaller league (outside top 6-7 coefficient) teams are losing by a GD of at least 3-4 goals
Mbappe:
17/18:
vs Celtic 5-0 = 1 goal
vs Anderlecht 4-0 = 1 goal, 1 assist
vs Anderlecht 5-0 = 1 assist
vs Celtic 7-0 = 1 goal
18/19:
vs Red Star 6-1 = 1 goal, 1 assist
vs Red Star 4-1 = 1 goal, 2 assists
19/20:
vs Brugge 5-0 = 3 goals, 1 assist
vs Galatasaray 5-0 = 1 goal, 3 assists
20/21:
vs Basaksehir 5-1 = 2 goals, 1 assist
21/22:
vs Brugge 4-1 = 2 goals, 1 assist
22/23:
vs Maccabi Haifa 7-2 = 2 goals, 2 assists
15 goals, 13 assists
Henry:
97/98:
vs Lierse 5-1 = 1 goal
02/03:
PSV 4-0 = 1 goal, 2 assists. Personally wouldn't include this as Dutch league was still quite good at this stage when compared to a decade later, but some might.
04/05:
vs Rosenborg 5-1 = 1 goal
05/06:
vs Sparta Prague 3-0 = 1 goal
3 goals against unarguably smaller league teams getting beatings.
Mbappe has 31 goals/10 assists against top five league teams in 53 games and 8 substantial tournaments regarding minutes played. Henry has 29 goals/15 assists in 67 games and about 10-11 substantial tournaments (depending on your view of 09/10). I couldn't be bothered to do the per minutes played stuff for each, and just did this quickly on transfermarkt so there could be a slight miscount or two in there. Personally i don't have a strong opinion either way on who is better, and there's no doubt Mbappe will be well ahead by the end of his career, but it's not hard to see Mbappe has benefited a lot so far (in terms of closing the numbers gap so quickly) from the increasing concentration of talent into fewer leagues/teams, and smaller sides becoming regular punching bags.