I don’t th8nk Scott Parker is that highly rated TBH, Jen was a good player and very effective at what he done, ive never seen him called a great.
Who is the most overrated player in PL history?
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I don’t th8nk Scott Parker is that highly rated TBH, Jen was a good player and very effective at what he done, ive never seen him called a great.
What does that even mean?
I think there are a lot of members on here who are young, people calling out the likes of Shearer and Lampard as overrated is very odd.
Lukaku & Andy Carroll are the quintessential definition of overrated. Both are over priced, transfer record breaking, expensive lumps
That's fair.
Lukaku if anything is underrated now. He's a good striker, just perhaps not for someone who should be leading the line for an elite side, and even that is somewhat debatable given he's Belgium's all time top scorer. The man was contending with Kane for the golden boot before his United move, at the right club under the right circumstances he's capable of being a very dangerous striker, just hasn't worked out for him thus far at United. Certainly has technical limitations but at his best was one of the most dangerous strikers in the league.
He's definitely not the joke that people make him out to be at the moment. Carroll wasn't all that bad either (certainly not worth 35m though) but got totally ruined by injuries.
He's definitely not the joke that people make him out to be at the moment. Carroll wasn't all that bad either (certainly not worth 35m though) but got totally ruined by injuries.
Ah yes, Lukaku being called a Gorilla is his performance thread was him being underrated.
Hazard, Gerrard or Kompany.
As for the Silva comments in here, how is he underrated? Souness claimed last week he was arguably the greatest PL player ever!
He's not even best at his club, that goes to Aguero and certainly wouldn't make my top 10 list.
Silva is one of those players who never get criticised and his poor performances are sugar coated. He was dreadful against Liverpool, the poorest passing accuracy in the side that night. Often has these games that he offers next to nothing and loses possession but its ignored , probably due to him being a nice guy..
A goal once every 5 games in a dominant City side over the years isn't that impressive. Sterling is 15 goals off Silvas City total with 200 less games played.
Don't hit me with assists reply when you see some of the players in the top 20 of EPL all time. Those can be upped by set plays and simple passes.
David Silva is a very good footballer but he is defo overrated and not underrated whilst his consistency is overstated.
As for the Silva comments in here, how is he underrated? Souness claimed last week he was arguably the greatest PL player ever!
He's not even best at his club, that goes to Aguero and certainly wouldn't make my top 10 list.
Silva is one of those players who never get criticised and his poor performances are sugar coated. He was dreadful against Liverpool, the poorest passing accuracy in the side that night. Often has these games that he offers next to nothing and loses possession but its ignored , probably due to him being a nice guy..
A goal once every 5 games in a dominant City side over the years isn't that impressive. Sterling is 15 goals off Silvas City total with 200 less games played.
Don't hit me with assists reply when you see some of the players in the top 20 of EPL all time. Those can be upped by set plays and simple passes.
David Silva is a very good footballer but he is defo overrated and not underrated whilst his consistency is overstated.
Hard to say, but there are many candidates IMO. Yaya Toure, Wayne Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Bale ... I think there was a period in the late 00's when the EPL was a tactically outfashioned kick and rush league whose quality was extremely overrated just like it's star players.
Couldn't agree less. IF you see Silva for City, especially under Guardiola, you see that he is clearly among the best players of that team, maybe even the best. He has an impact that can't be measured in goal or assist stats. Simply an amazing footballer that more often than not makes the difference by initiating attacks through great plays. Often he contributes the most to goals for which he won't even appear as a scorer.
Couldn't agree less. IF you see Silva for City, especially under Guardiola, you see that he is clearly among the best players of that team, maybe even the best. He has an impact that can't be measured in goal or assist stats. Simply an amazing footballer that more often than not makes the difference by initiating attacks through great plays. Often he contributes the most to goals for which he won't even appear as a scorer.
Ryan Giggs and probably Paul Scholes on this forum. Scholes was a good player but nowhere near the likes of Xavi who I've seen him compared to time and again. Players that stay throughout their career. But imo Keane and Beckham were a little more important than Giggs and Scholes when they all played together.
76 goals and 56 assists in 156 PL games as the creative focalpoint of the team. That's a better assist rate than David Silva. Not to mention he completely transformed Fergies first title winning season and won the PL with Leeds too and 2 titles with Marseille. And that cup winner against Liverpool. Frankly this is a terrible pick.
He wasn't a number 9 he was a number 10 who finished twice in the top 3 for the Balon Dor, won players player of the year and has 1 of the best assist per game rates in PL history, better than David Silva, Giggs, Lampard etc despite playing past his best years
He was 30 in '99 and yes starting to decline there after
Literally no one rated him that highly for him to be overrated. He had potential as a teenager because of his world class pace.
Nonsense. Beckham's assist record was world class and he was runner up in the Ballon Dor
Terrible list. Fowler before he let it fall apart was unreal, the most talented striking techniques. Fabregas was one of the best creative players in the world in his prime. Etoo was one of the best strikers in the world at his peak. And yes Stevie G was also world class
76 goals and 56 assists in 156 PL games as the creative focalpoint of the team. That's a better assist rate than David Silva. Not to mention he completely transformed Fergies first title winning season and won the PL with Leeds too and 2 titles with Marseille. And that cup winner against Liverpool. Frankly this is a terrible pick.
He wasn't a number 9 he was a number 10 who finished twice in the top 3 for the Balon Dor, won players player of the year and has 1 of the best assist per game rates in PL history, better than David Silva, Giggs, Lampard etc despite playing past his best years
He was 30 in '99 and yes starting to decline there after
Literally no one rated him that highly for him to be overrated. He had potential as a teenager because of his world class pace.
Nonsense. Beckham's assist record was world class and he was runner up in the Ballon Dor
Gerrard, Walcott, Anelka, Carroll, Cleverley, Balotelli, Özil, Henderson, Jagielka, Fabregas, Lovren, Falcao, Cahill, Sturridge, Eto, Januzaj, Welbeck, Nasri, Barkley, David James, Clichy, Terry, Oscar, Soldado, Wilshere, Agger, Torres, Fowler, Ballack, Ivanovic, Benteke, Kolo Toure, Veron, Kagawa, Mikel, Lamela, David Luiz.
So many to choose from!
Has to be Stevie G though.
Terrible list. Fowler before he let it fall apart was unreal, the most talented striking techniques. Fabregas was one of the best creative players in the world in his prime. Etoo was one of the best strikers in the world at his peak. And yes Stevie G was also world class
What about Eriksen, seems to have fantastic games then disappears for 5. He wouldn’t get away with it at a top top club.
Every fanbase has theirs
Liverpool - Gerrard, and VVD
Man Utd - Beckham and G.Neville
Chelsea - Terry, Joe Cole, and Hazard
Spurs - Ledley King
Arsenal - Ozil, Wilshere, and Ramsey
City - Joke Hart and Kompany
Overall in the history of football - Zlatan
Liverpool - Gerrard, and VVD
Man Utd - Beckham and G.Neville
Chelsea - Terry, Joe Cole, and Hazard
Spurs - Ledley King
Arsenal - Ozil, Wilshere, and Ramsey
City - Joke Hart and Kompany
Overall in the history of football - Zlatan
I tend to agree, but this season he has been very consistent. Who is to say he won't step it up a notch even, playing in a better team.
I always figured Mata was a bit overrated.
Di Maria
Babel
I was reading through this thread trying to think of who actually is the most over rated and 100% agree it's Walcott.
Couple of players who I think are some of the most overated in PL history :
Dietmar Hamann, Dejan Stankovic, Joleon Lescott, Thomas Helveg, Victor Anichebe, Igor Biscan, Marco Delvecchio, Tore Andre Flo, Shaun Wright Phillips, Fernando Hierro, Steven Pienaar
Nikolas Candela, Claudio Pizzaro, Jermaine Pennant, Giovani Elber, Quinton Fortune and Johan Cruyff
Dietmar Hamann, Dejan Stankovic, Joleon Lescott, Thomas Helveg, Victor Anichebe, Igor Biscan, Marco Delvecchio, Tore Andre Flo, Shaun Wright Phillips, Fernando Hierro, Steven Pienaar
Nikolas Candela, Claudio Pizzaro, Jermaine Pennant, Giovani Elber, Quinton Fortune and Johan Cruyff
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Not surprising. Kluivert was way better for the NT.
I'm tempted to say Makelele. He was great, don't get me wrong, but he was perfectly suited to a role that was created for him because of his own technical limitations, and he had an absolute machine in front of him at Chelsea, in Michael Essien. I think he is over rated in comparison to the likes of Fernandinho, who is still a criminally under rated player. I probably even rate Kante higher given the increase in intensity in the modern game , but it's difficult to know really.
Probably been mentioned already, but Gary Cahill.
Probably the Premier League's biggest fraud.
Probably the Premier League's biggest fraud.
well his name came immediately to mind for me when I say this thread, he won POTY once plus kept Carrick out of the England team which is a travesty on both counts - just look at the list of PL greats who won that award and Parker's name stands out a mile as the one who doesnt fit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FWA_Footballer_of_the_Year#Winners
Since Ole started I think it's safe to say Pogba has moved from underrated to overrated in a matter of hours.
The criticism hurled at him a month ago was completely over the top. Now he's suddenly better than Roy Keane. And Messi.
The criticism hurled at him a month ago was completely over the top. Now he's suddenly better than Roy Keane. And Messi.
You mean when PL clubs used to make the CL semis/finals more or less every year?
2005/6/7/8/9/11 or 12? Each of those years there was a PL team in the final. In 3 of them PL teams won it.
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I would say Wayne Rooney. He was around for such a long time, and in all that time we had maybe 3-4 excellent seasons out of him. 2010 being the best. He was bang average in most international tournaments for England. Yeah, he scored loads of goals against lower opposition, but never did it when it mattered. RVP showed him up in Fergie's final season, and Rooney became surplus to requirements for SAF. Then David Moyes came in and signed him up on another 5 year contract!! His last 5 seasons were pretty shite TBF, he was dropping back into midfield and looking up to play balls to the forward and suddenly realised he WAS the forward. I don't know why we indulged him in this. He was always only ever a decent striker, not Pirlo. Yes, he got more goals than most, and more caps than most. But he also played more games than most.
Like many here i think it has to be Theo . Fantastic potential but has never really delivered . I seem to recall that at one point he was insisting he play as an out an out striker at Arsenal because he thought he was good enough to . Shame because he always seems to be a nice lad in interviews etc.
On a side note , biggest under achiever award might have to go to Thomas Brolin or Seb Veron , both big names when they arrived but did not produce over here
On a side note , biggest under achiever award might have to go to Thomas Brolin or Seb Veron , both big names when they arrived but did not produce over here
Yeah couple of posters saying Pogba was better means he is overrated.
Depending on your definition of the term overrated it means that, yes, people saying he's better than Keane and Messi are overrating him.
Thing with overrating is that it's so very linked to opportunism. My post was simply an attempt to highlight this. Under Mourinho, Pogba was playing poorly and people said he was a terrible player, a flop, had to be let go on a loss etc. Now after a month he's suddenly God's gift to football again. Overrated is a dumb term which is used as a collective word to use when your bias is different from someone else's bias, but you somehow think that you're opinion is right and their's is wrong.
Pogba isn't overrated, neither is Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard or Paul Scholes. People are rated differently based on the rater's personal preferences and bias. It's like a fan of club X saying fans of club Y are biased cnuts. It's natural, but a lot of people don't realize they're as guilty as the ones they're accusing.
I, for instance, overrate plenty of Dutch players and am convinced we should have won the 1998 world cup. That's obviously because I'm Dutch and therefore biased, I know that, but I don't give a feck.
The only thing that's overrated is the word overrated.
Always thought Shearer was a tad overrated and he would have made no difference had he signed for us in 96.
Most of the Liverpool team of the mid 90s (“Spice Boys”) were vastly overrated.
Gonna be controversial and say Schmeichel was overhyped by a lot of United fans. 3/4 great seasons but nowhere near the overall quality of some of the other keepers at that time. He was actually quite poor in the Treble season and made a lot of mistakes.
Most of the Liverpool team of the mid 90s (“Spice Boys”) were vastly overrated.
Gonna be controversial and say Schmeichel was overhyped by a lot of United fans. 3/4 great seasons but nowhere near the overall quality of some of the other keepers at that time. He was actually quite poor in the Treble season and made a lot of mistakes.
Absolutely right. He had a great right foot, but that’s it. No pace, no left foot, couldn’t head a ball. I watched Roberto Carlos completely mark Beckham out of a game against Real Madrid, he spent all night passing the ball back to Gary Neville. Not in the same league as Kanchelskis.
Djemba Djemba is still my top pick!
I disagree with the notion that those two are overrated but to be fair to those members, its possible to be a great player and be overrated at the same time because people hype up said player to a level that doesn't reflect his actual performances.
I'll give an example using a player who is nowhere near those two but still gets elevated beyond his ability in some quarters.
Santi Cazorla or Ledley King.
Just seeing he’s fonally off to China, but Mousa Dembele is up there in recent years. Nice combination of technique and power but flattered to deceive.
Wikipedia says 7 goals in 180 league games at Spurs, which is woeful for someone as gifted as him.
Wikipedia says 7 goals in 180 league games at Spurs, which is woeful for someone as gifted as him.
Bale was initially overrated in 10-11 when he won his first POTY award but he was absolutely living up to the hype in 2012-13 and was one of the best players in the league by that point.
So a striker with a goalscoring record of 109 goals in 239 League matches - is the definition of overrated ?
Fair shout, strange career. At his best he could look like one of the elite midfielders in the game, worldwide, impossible to get ball off, burst of pace, great strength, feel for the game, intelligent passing but then he would go a number of games being utterly ineffectual. His lack of goal threat is terrible for his ability, and especially as he started a striker.
Well played, sir. Very well played.
Don't think so. His hype was unreal. Madrid paid a world record fee for him and IMO he was never even close to being that good. At no point in his career I would've considered him a top 5 footballer in the world. A very good player with very special talents, yes, but that's it.
Yes.
Darren Bent had a similar record, do you believe he should have held the PL transfer record as well?
He was absolutely there or thereabouts in 2012-13. Was probably the best player in the PL at the time and only a handful would've been considered better than him. Explosive pace, incisive finisher, versatile. Wasn't much he couldn't do.
I don’t think King is anywhere near the level Shearer or Lampard, I think both Cazorla and King were blighted by injury and n fee reached the potential they could have, but both were very good players when they were fit. A note on King, it’s not just Spurs fans rated him.
You're discussing Bent's whole career there I presume - Lukaku's only 25 and is one of the youngest players in the PL era to have scored as many goals as he has by this age. Much as he's flattered to deceive while here it probably felt justifiable at the time to fork out so much on a 24-year old who'd consistently been among the league's top scorers for a couple of seasons.