Quit gaslighting and get to the point.
Why are England's fans so disrespectful of their greatest coach of all time?
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Hhaaha. Not even better than Robson in 1990, or Venables in 1996. At least Venables was knocked out by Germany.
Southgate barely survived Denmark some days ago. And England would have been massacred by France in the 2018 final. (Easily 3-0 or 4-1). At least we were spared from witnessing that, thankfully.
Southgate barely survived Denmark some days ago. And England would have been massacred by France in the 2018 final. (Easily 3-0 or 4-1). At least we were spared from witnessing that, thankfully.
Because he should have tried to win this final. Coming into this tournament, he said we learned from the world cup defeat. We didnt learn shite, the final was eerily similar to the semi in 2018. England score first and do nothing, the oposition pass us into submission and equalise. The opposition tried to get a winner whilst Southgate continues to hang on.
You could just incorporate it to the LALAE thread.
I think he's really just an average coach/manager. A better manager could've won this tournament easily
Here we see what I mean. You praise Venables for losing to Germany when Southgate actually beat them.
Back then you had Kuntz, whereas nowadays you just...
“greatest coach of all time”
Southgate is a very good manager on paper but the results relative to talent and opposition leave something to be desired. While Italy are very good side they were weaker in nearly area compared to England nor did they outclass England, their goal was the result of poor defending.
England lost the gane due to poor game management which Southgate has to take the responsibility for. Sven Göran Eriksen might have done better had he had more favourable draws and better luck (Rooney not getting injured, Campbell's goal not getting ruled out, Seaman not having a brain fart).
Gareth came in at a low moment for England and to his credit has picked things up but he now finds himself with a golden generation but he seems unable to take advantage.
On paper Mourinho is one of United's best managers but would most United fans ever think of him as such? Probably not.
England lost the gane due to poor game management which Southgate has to take the responsibility for. Sven Göran Eriksen might have done better had he had more favourable draws and better luck (Rooney not getting injured, Campbell's goal not getting ruled out, Seaman not having a brain fart).
Gareth came in at a low moment for England and to his credit has picked things up but he now finds himself with a golden generation but he seems unable to take advantage.
On paper Mourinho is one of United's best managers but would most United fans ever think of him as such? Probably not.
Too many losses on rainy Wednesday nights.
They came third in a "tournament" of 4 teams.
England have a great squad right now with lots of exciting attacking options. A better manager would have comfortably won the Euros this year after France's shock exit as England easily had the 2nd best squad in the tournament behind France. A better manager would have also created a system that allowed him to utilise Sancho and Grealish, England's two most talented players.
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Against the forum rules.Show us yer trophies then?
I can't wait until one of Wales, Scotland, Ireland or NI wins something though. I mean I'm sure it will be soon right?
Can take the pressure off England a bit with their sole World Cup. Bring some parity.
Sure buddy, like England always does.
England had not won an EC knockout game before the tournament, yet you demand a comfortable tournament win. Southgate almost made it come home twice in a row, he deserves better.
Just like better managers achieved more with our previous Golden Generation
oh wait, no they didn’t
Nobody hates the man, and he's done some great things for the team.
At the same time though it's the most talented side we've had in 20 years, and people would like to see more than sitting back with 10 men behind the ball trying to defend a 1-0 lead for 65 minutes.
He may have got us to the final, but he lost the final for us.
At the same time though it's the most talented side we've had in 20 years, and people would like to see more than sitting back with 10 men behind the ball trying to defend a 1-0 lead for 65 minutes.
He may have got us to the final, but he lost the final for us.
From an outsider, Southgate is pretty much the most boring manager you could possibly have. However, he is very effective in the way he sets out his team.
As seen against Italy though, it doesn’t suit every game and he really struggles with a Plan B. He leaves substitutions far too late and despite tiring legs in opposition teams, he is far too cautious to bring on attacking players. Rashford for Mount was an easy change early into the final. I’m a Mason Mount fan but that’s probably the worst I’ve seen him play.
Grealish just didn’t get anywhere near enough opportunities because he’s ‘too attacking’ - neither did Rashford or Sancho.
If England made any effort to press Italy and dominate possession, instead of retreating into submissive position all game, they’re have been far more dangerous.
As seen against Italy though, it doesn’t suit every game and he really struggles with a Plan B. He leaves substitutions far too late and despite tiring legs in opposition teams, he is far too cautious to bring on attacking players. Rashford for Mount was an easy change early into the final. I’m a Mason Mount fan but that’s probably the worst I’ve seen him play.
Grealish just didn’t get anywhere near enough opportunities because he’s ‘too attacking’ - neither did Rashford or Sancho.
If England made any effort to press Italy and dominate possession, instead of retreating into submissive position all game, they’re have been far more dangerous.
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Why do Crystal Palace fans hate Frank de Boer?
It's funny how much of a troll you've become yet you cried at the first opportunity to the mods in the Bundesliga thread when you didn't like the tone and claimed German posters were being mistreated. The irony.
Honestly, knocking out that German side was rather a duty than an achievement or in other words said, it would have been a surprise if Germany had advanced.
They lost for of them last 10 games (England, France, Macedonia and Spain, 1:11 goal difference), 2 draws (Hungary and Denmark) and won 4 (Iceland, Rumania, Latvia and Portugal, 15:3 goal difference). This German side hasn't been a contender from 2017.
It's always important to not look at the name of the opposite site, rather than what they are able to perform at the moment.
Are Dortmund fans so bitter about losing Sancho that starting WUM threads is their form of release?
Yes, they are.
Yes, they are.
I'm sorry, but you are wrong on three counts. Back then I said he wouldn't be sold that window after the deadline passed. He didn't.
And upon doing some reflecting after the window closed I decided that trying to give perspective to muppets was a futile endevour, so I decided to stay away from low quality discussions like that.
Now the more interesting question is why would you make up these fantasies, to attack a poster for giving Sir Garteth Southgate the respect his historic achievements merit. It's okay if you hate the man, but why try to derail this discussion?
Low quality discussions? The absolute arrogance of that comment
I don't hate anyone, mate. Least of a man like Gareth Southgate who put everything he had into leading his country forward. He's a good man, and that will not change regardless of his achievements in the England hot seat. He is tactically limited, though. You'll find very few England fans who would disagree with that assessment.
Did you pick out and wear a nice hat to celebrate Sancho Day? If so, would you mind posting a pic of you wearing it with a newspaper clearly displaying the date? I'll believe you wasn't bitter about his transfer then
You see, this desperation for adversity: booing anthems, trying to make everything about the war and people supposedly being bitter, that's kinda specific to English culture. I was happy that Sancho stayed another year and that he played his part in salvaging a bad season into a happy ending with a cup to boot. I'm thankful for his service and now I'm excited about what the new season brings.Low quality discussions? The absolute arrogance of that comment
I don't hate anyone, mate. Least of a man like Gareth Southgate who put everything he had into leading his country forward. He's a good man, and that will never change regardless of his achievements in the England hot seat. He is tactically limited, though. You'll find very few England who would disagree with that assessment.
Did you pick out and wear a nice hat to celebrate Sancho Day? If so, would you mind posting a pic of you wearing it with a newspaper clearly displaying the date? I'll believe you wasn't bitter about his transfer then
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Are you comparing Germany '96 with Germany 2021?
Well their names sound kind of similar, don't they?
Banter aside, it would be helpful for you to see Southgate as a founder of a new kind of English national team. I think the team spirit was there, the effort was there and another manager will surly win something with them based on Southgates foundations. Like van Gaal at Bayern or Klinsmann in the German national team.
on the other hand...
on the other hand...
He is just some guy trying to win a silver plated cup with a bunch of teenage millionaires in a sports game. Sorry to bring it to you, but it won't help you to get better fishing rights from france.
As long as it doesn't hinder my chances of getting better fishing rights in Luxemburg, then it doesn't affect me.
I mean, who really cares about getting better fishing rights from France?
Venables was a very good national manager. Shame he wasnt in charge of getting us at the world cup. Hoddle was good as well. As national team managers i think both did a better job than capello and sven.
Personally I like Gareth Gates. Thought he was better than Will Young
Don't mistake passion for hate. English fans are passionate about the national team again, and Southgate is very much responsible for that. This new generation of players is genuinely exciting, most fans are impatient to see them blossom into the stars they will one day become - and want England to play that way now.
The team is so close to actually being good that we watched the the final essentially lost because England surrendered the ball to Italy for too much of the game. Italy dominated possession largely because England tried to hang on to a 1 goal lead, that is huge. The game was further riddled with strange choices in terms of substitutions and the most bizarre penalty shoot out choices in recent memory.
If anything it's a credit to "project Southgate" and how extraordinarily successful he has been. Fans genuinely see actual potential to win tournaments and are naturally disappointed and upset to have lost the Euros because of what seems to be tactical managerial errors. He is brilliant, but still makes stupid tactical mistakes, and that is very frustrating when you are so close to success.
Southgate is a great man-manager, but has poor tournament management.
Will support him all the way