Yeah, I’d rather he had stayed in the reserves for another 2 seasons then we’d let him join Rochdale on a free.
Why did Sir Alex sell Pogba? | Pogba wasn't sold, he left on a free transfer
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And recalling Scholes out of retirement.
I think 18 year olds and agents being so precious and impatient is bad for the game. I don't blame Pogba, he was only young, the culture of the industry and agents being what they are must be a terrible influence.
What's even worse is that fans have bought into this. It's now considered normal for an 18 year to leave a club like United because of one game.
Scholes said early on as a pundit, he was promising at the time, but not a nailed on first teamer
This thread makes me want to get drunk again.
Say what you want. We're the one buying him back for world record pre neymar. Joke's on us
So many completely wrong statements and assumptions in this thread...
It's turning the whole situation into a complete myth.
It's turning the whole situation into a complete myth.
The cost is obviously a slight annoyance, but I'm in the camp that thinks he probably benefitted and learnt more there than he would've with us around that time.
Didn't take him long to grow into a great midfielder at Juventus. All he needed was the game time and the experience, he already had all the tools. And it's not like we had amazing midfielders in the way, our midfield was basically just Michael Carrick on his own for about 4 years
This all worked out greatly for us.
No way he would have stuck around in the Moyes and LvG years with Raiola as his agent.
He would have gone to RM, and we'd stand no chance of getting him back.
The money we spent getting him back is irrelevant due to the influx in transfer prices and his commercial profile.
No way he would have stuck around in the Moyes and LvG years with Raiola as his agent.
He would have gone to RM, and we'd stand no chance of getting him back.
The money we spent getting him back is irrelevant due to the influx in transfer prices and his commercial profile.
I'm not arguing we came out on top so not sure why you're making that point.
I'd say the same about any teenager who hasn't even played demanding respect and game time. It's a sorry state of affairs. It's worked out for Pogba because he's so talented but for many it won't.
He demands something because he believe he has something. I dont blame him for that. He talk the talk and actually walks the walks.
You can be obedient youth players and lick Fergies gum all day long but without ability you won't get anything.
Fair play to pogba.
Except at the time his performances for the Reserves and in the first team when he got in it were one game good...one game average...one game poor.
He was still inexperienced and inconsistent...regardless of how good he was.
He can believe all he wanted...his performances throughout that season were inconsistent.
Juve prooves otherwise.
No it doesn't.
He was 4 months older. He was playing in a different league with totally different tactical and environmental conditions.
The game in Italy was much slower than the Premier League and he learned a lot. He wasn't putting in MOM performances every week in Italy during his first season.
The following couple of years proved his potential...but that was never in question by Ferguson or anyone else at United.
He might have done it at United...maybe not.
Why the need to rake this all up again? He’s now come back to united a complete player, and wants to stay at united now. We will have him for his peak years. Focus on the now.
Where were all the keyboard warriors when we sold a young mark Hughes to Barca hmmm?
Where were all the keyboard warriors when we sold a young mark Hughes to Barca hmmm?
This. If anyone was going to break through from that team it was Morrison. You just don’t know with youth football, no guarantees, many surprises
Now that really did my head in GB! :-/
Probably turned out best for United that he left and came back. If he stayed under a year of Moyes then 2 years of Van Gaal, he probably would've left for Real Madrid or something and been a transfer saga every summer. This way, he went to a european giant already and then came back here. Sure in 4-5 years there's the risk that he'll want to go to Real Madrid to see out his career, but it's a smaller chance, and he's also here for his main prime years anyway.
THIS
If he and his agent displayed more patience than an angry 6 year old all that he needed was on offer here. Without the need to lick Fergie's bum.
Next time a young player gets ahead of himself you can't complain if you endorse what Pogba(his agent) did.
Agree, and i'd say Will Keane was more first-team ready than Pogba as well.
At the end of the day, I don't really have any problems with how it all turned out. He's back playing for us now, and maybe he wouldn't have developed into the player he is now if he hadn't gone to Juventus.
Except he's not asking to be made captain, or replacing carrick. He's just fed up of not being trusted ahead of park and rafael, in midfield.
But off course, let's paint it as if he's the entitled brat thinking he's too good for us.
I'd have broken the Internet when we sold Andy Ritchie
Playing time
You are making up your own narrative here...you have an opinion which is fair enough.
I just don't see how the facts back it up...that's all.
That frustrated the hell out of me too. Particularly when we got Birtles as part of the transfer triangle!I'd have broken the Internet when we sold Andy Ritchie
Is it fair to compare Pogba to an 18 year old Ronaldo? There is a marked difference in how they were treated by Sir Alex at Utd. Ronaldo goes immediately into the 1st team; Pogba isn't given a chance.
Pogba, now anyway, just stands out as an incredible talent. One where you don't have to be footballing genius, which Sir Alex was, to see what was there.
Seems like Sir Alex was always a bit weird about the midfield position, willing to play just about anyone there (38 yo Giggs!) rather than trust that position to someone new.
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He went to a club that was willing to show him faith, instead of waiting for an opportunity that might never come.
Clubs are so ever willing to get rid of young players failing to show promise. It's a dog eat dog world now and I can't blame a player for choosing to look out for themself.
Again, the fact that he went to a club with Pirlo, Vidal et al showed that his intentions were football related. I have the same level of respect for that guy who left City for Dortmund(Sancho). It's not about the money but rather self development.
Sir Alex employed a football style that was suited and worked for him with quite average players. We watched as city got Yaya... Silva and Chelsea got hazard etc. hence Mourinho’s comment that opponents adapted but United didn’t and hence our being overtaken by rivals. Pogba suited to a 3 man midfield especially at the time and Ferguson always played 2 except in big European games. Then there’s the generation gap
If you're talking about facts there's only one.
We bought him back for 90m a few years after. That's how good pogba is. The rest is your narative against mine
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Buffon :
‘When he came we didn’t know him but after only three or four training sessions we were impressed by his enormous qualities.
‘My team-mates and me looked at each other as if to say, “Are they blind in Manchester?”.’
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He was putting in MOM performances every week in Italy during his first season. After less than 6 months, he put Marchisio on the bench and was called by Deschamps ( he started the 2 games and never left the squad since then...)
His 2nd cap in march 2013 ( World Cup qualifiers 2014 ) against Xavi, Iniesta, Xabi Alonso...
‘When he came we didn’t know him but after only three or four training sessions we were impressed by his enormous qualities.
‘My team-mates and me looked at each other as if to say, “Are they blind in Manchester?”.’
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He was putting in MOM performances every week in Italy during his first season. After less than 6 months, he put Marchisio on the bench and was called by Deschamps ( he started the 2 games and never left the squad since then...)
His 2nd cap in march 2013 ( World Cup qualifiers 2014 ) against Xavi, Iniesta, Xabi Alonso...
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Was only 17 at the time but selling Andy broke my heart, local lad, hat-tricks already against Leeds Utd and Tottenham as a teenager.
How his career paned out ie. no International recognition suggest Dave Sexton got it right, but at the time.....
Garry Birtles, no comment, decent guy though