Anything over 50 is just stupid as you're not buying potential but a player entering his prime whose best tally is 10 goals and is inconsistent at the age of 26.
But teams will have to pay what ever the seller wants if they want the player.
Why did we phase out or sell X player?
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Anything over 50 is just stupid as you're not buying potential but a player entering his prime whose best tally is 10 goals and is inconsistent at the age of 26.
But teams will have to pay what ever the seller wants if they want the player.
Ahh, you’re of course right. AC Milan was later. He was actually caught doping for Lazio along with another player.
e wasn't going to play for us under LVG. do you think he becomes a good player without playing a single game for us? We bought him for 10 and after he is sold from palace we very likely make a profit on the sale, for a player that had attitude issues and was going to rot in the reserves, not the end of the world
And LVG wasn’t going to be managing us for much longer after that. So not only do we hire past it dinosaurs as managers, we let them oust good players just because they don’t fit their particular brand of odious spoiled cheese football. Well done Utd.
SAF was clearly more in tune with 2019 football in 2013 than we are now.
Pathetic? Give me a break, I don't recall anyone thinking he would be anything close to a £70 million player.
'Zaha hasn't impressed in a World Cup. Memphis is definitely not going to be a Zaha. Zaha lacks end product. Memphis does not'
You also said a midfield 3 of Blind, Schneiderlin and Herrera would be title worthy.
I'm not getting at you for being wrong, we all are, but you can't then play the hindsight card and act like you know better.
I'm not sure he was ever world class
YES.
I can’t remember who it was against but I remember him delivering one of the best through balls I have witnessed [I saw the goal once on Sky Sports News so am willing to be proven hyperbolic] in a pre-season friendly then suddenly he was off to Chelsea.
Such a talent, hard to imagine us signing such a player currently.
He looked decent but nothing overly special tbh. He learnt and developed a lot playing with Puyol.
I thought he wanted to go back to Barcelona; partly because Rio and Vidic weren't about to be dislodged.
Probably the famous Van Nistelrooy goal against Juventus. But people are taking it way to far assuming it was a hint of things to come had he stayed.
I must have the eye then because I always knew his value would sky rocket. Selling him for under 4m was a stupid decision.
The talent was always there in my eyes
Because at the time he couldn't get into a dreadfully under performing team. With rumours of poor attitude.
How did you "know", when he looked poor for us on the occasions he played and barely got in when we had a poor season under Moyes?
I don't shed a tear for losing him, he smacks of the classic one club performer to me. It will be interesting if he moves and whether he cuts it at a bigger club.
I was screaming when we sold him, and I'm still screaming about it now. WTF did we give up on him so soon? If anything he should have been loaned out or sold with a buy back clause. Fact of the matter is, he wasn't even given a chance...
Never understood why Fergie didnt sign Carlos Tevez after our 2 year loan deal. I don't know what happend there, but there were rumours of us not wanting to sign him and then wanting to sign him. He left like we know for City and won the FA cup and the league. Becoming the league top scorer and was generally a prick and a top class footballer.
I loved watching him play though
I loved watching him play though
I still can't believe we let Ander Herrera go - and for nothing too!
Won't go with transfers that happened under SAF, he was manager for many years so any player who was sold, we had plans to replace them.
Post SAF
Zaha - He barely got any mins and this was when Valencia was so poor as RW. We sold him for nothing
Rafael - Considering how important attacking FB is in modern game, his sale and especially for the fee was poor decision. He wasn't on high wages and could have been good back up player. His replacement was very poor too.
Hernandez - We offloaded every striker and then ended up selling him too. He wasn't first choice but he was decent squad player.
With benefit of hindsight - M.Keane who was sold for good money and also Blind considering we lack ball playing CB.
Also Nani looked poor when he was sold, still think he would have added more as RW than any player we have for that position.
Post SAF
Zaha - He barely got any mins and this was when Valencia was so poor as RW. We sold him for nothing
Rafael - Considering how important attacking FB is in modern game, his sale and especially for the fee was poor decision. He wasn't on high wages and could have been good back up player. His replacement was very poor too.
Hernandez - We offloaded every striker and then ended up selling him too. He wasn't first choice but he was decent squad player.
With benefit of hindsight - M.Keane who was sold for good money and also Blind considering we lack ball playing CB.
Also Nani looked poor when he was sold, still think he would have added more as RW than any player we have for that position.
Because a young footballer having some bad games doesn’t equate to a bad player.
Even if his talent wasn’t obvious to yourself or other United fans, it should have been by those running the club.
I don’t know why you’re arguing for the case of a 22 year old Wilfried Zaha being worth less than 4m. It was stupid then, and it’s stupider now
NO. He was terrible after leaving us aswell. If anything, we shouldnt have bought him in the first place. He wasnt suited for the Premier League. At all.
He was a good player in Serie A and back home in Argentina and was great on set pieces, thats it. He rarely had a decent performance in the Prem.
Always said this myself, he was a great crosser and unpredictable, definitely could have stayed couple more seasons, then wasted signings like Depay, Mhikitaryan & Di Maria wouldn't of been necessary.
Chicharito, considering the dearth of attacking options at the time. Sold him at 27 for a pittance, went on to have two solid Bundesliga seasons where he scored more than 1 in 2, and then was sold to West Ham for more than we got for him.
Another genius bit of transfer business by Van Gaal.
Not saying he was great, but he is the top scorer for the Mexican NT with 51 goals. And was deemed good enough to get serious minutes at peak Real Madrid with Ronaldo. Those 2 years between 27-29 should have been with us.
Another genius bit of transfer business by Van Gaal.
Not saying he was great, but he is the top scorer for the Mexican NT with 51 goals. And was deemed good enough to get serious minutes at peak Real Madrid with Ronaldo. Those 2 years between 27-29 should have been with us.
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Unless you're being sarcastic, I don't get how your response makes sense to be honest mate. Literally quoted you pretty much saying he wasn't on Depay's level and that Memphis wouldn't 'be a Zaha'. Nothing about reading what you said suggested you were expecting him to make any noise.
You cant always pin the blame on we should know better.
It doesnt always works that way.
Spartak moscow should know vidic would turn out to be one of the best defender in the world
Molde should know ole would become our legend
Monaco shouldnt have sold patrice evra
Sportint lisbon shoulda wait 2 more years for ronaldo to mature
Etc.
How can you blame the club for not knowing zaha would become good 5 years after. Do we have the time and opportunity cost to play him for 5 years until he becomes good?
It doesnt always works that way.
Spartak moscow should know vidic would turn out to be one of the best defender in the world
Molde should know ole would become our legend
Monaco shouldnt have sold patrice evra
Sportint lisbon shoulda wait 2 more years for ronaldo to mature
Etc.
How can you blame the club for not knowing zaha would become good 5 years after. Do we have the time and opportunity cost to play him for 5 years until he becomes good?
I could be wrong but I always thought the story of selling Stam was suspicious. I always thought it had more to do with us needing money after buying Veron. Seemed odd that we’d sell our best defender for something written in a book. If you were a top player Fergie defended you no matter what.
Was he? Once or twice he'd do something of note but the rest of the game he'd look like a pub player. And i'm loath to criticise any United player. He was an obvious makeweight in the deal for Adem Ljajić
He left because he didn't want to be a substitute, and he was never going to be anything but.
Because he pissed United about too much, within three months of arriving he said he wanted to go back to Argentina and play for his boyhood club Boca Juniors when he was 27(he was 23/24 at the time), and then at the start of his 2nd season he said he wanted to play in Spain before going home to Argentina - hardly a i'm desperate to stay was it? More a make me the top earner(similar to Heinze)or i'm offski - City were welcome to him.
In 2007 Ferguson described the decision to sell Stam as an error: "At the time he had just come back from an achilles injury and we thought he had just lost a little bit. We got the offer from Lazio, £16.5m for a centre back who was 29. It was an offer I couldn't refuse. But in playing terms it was a mistake. He is still playing for Ajax at a really good level."
Yorke lost motivation after the Treble winner. He even asked Fergie for a year off to celebrate and take a break from football. It was definitely the right time to move him on as he wasn't as dedicated and was declining.
Always thought we let Rafael go too early, he was in the team of the year in Fergie's last season and was only 22/23 at that time. No-one really stood out in Moyes time and he was in and out the side due to injuries, then LvG didn't fancy him and we have been stuck with makeshift wingers at RB since.
Januzaj was a strange one as he looked really good under Moyes but never really got a run of games under LvG who loaned him to Dortmund where he was never going to get a clear run in the team. A beneficial loan move would have been better and may have given him a career at United. He's doing alright at Sociedad nowadays but his progress was stagnated by a lack of first team football.
Always thought we let Rafael go too early, he was in the team of the year in Fergie's last season and was only 22/23 at that time. No-one really stood out in Moyes time and he was in and out the side due to injuries, then LvG didn't fancy him and we have been stuck with makeshift wingers at RB since.
Januzaj was a strange one as he looked really good under Moyes but never really got a run of games under LvG who loaned him to Dortmund where he was never going to get a clear run in the team. A beneficial loan move would have been better and may have given him a career at United. He's doing alright at Sociedad nowadays but his progress was stagnated by a lack of first team football.
York's head had gone after we won the CL. I remember reading in Keane's book that after the CL win Yorke said to him that he'd be happy if he never won anything again. You can imagine how well that went down with Keane. We sold Staam too early, I don't think we knew about the im pending drug test failure as Fergie has said that's his biggest regret transfer wise.
Beckham we should never have sold, he should have gone the same way as Giggs and Scholes and played for us for life. Unfortunately the fame and Spice girls stuff didn't sit well with Fergie and he was made to leave. Which is ironic, because few celebs/ footballers deal with fame as well as Becks does now and yet still appear to remain incredibly humble. Herrera we should have kept, all i'll say is in this current climate we need players who get the club and he was one of the few with the right mentality towards football in general.
Beckham we should never have sold, he should have gone the same way as Giggs and Scholes and played for us for life. Unfortunately the fame and Spice girls stuff didn't sit well with Fergie and he was made to leave. Which is ironic, because few celebs/ footballers deal with fame as well as Becks does now and yet still appear to remain incredibly humble. Herrera we should have kept, all i'll say is in this current climate we need players who get the club and he was one of the few with the right mentality towards football in general.
I never said he was a smart guy
And he didnt leave for Boca at the age of 27. If you're happy you stay. We would be a better team with him in the squadNo, there is a difference between being a substitute and manager telling player has 1% chance of playing.
SAF only came out with that after Stam threatened to take him to court, but he was never the same after the injury, and he spent most of the rest of his career playing right-back.
LvG tried to talk him out of the move, but Adnan knew best.
He was obvious chasing the money but United had to take him at his word and couldn't risk giving him the 5 year deal on top wages they were prepared to do only for him to leave at the end of it in his prime to a club that never have two pennies to rub together.I never said he was a smart guy
When he left City it was pointed out to him that Juventus wasn't in Spain, or Argentina
If you're implying LvG told him that there's nowt like being brutally honest.
Or guy lacks man management.
Beckham delivered that ball for the Juventus RVN winner.. The Veron pass was in the PL iirc..
Nah, I think players prefer to know where they stand.
So Hernandez didn't leave because he was squad player, he left as he was told he won't play at all.