This is the knock on affect of Woodwards tenure - all the wrong players brought in for stupid money, stupid wages and long contracts.. Was always gonna bite us on the arse.Is there genuinely no additional thinking from the backroom staff outside players the manager likes, or premier league proven names/has been players?
It's frustrating to see it now with the Cucurella/Reguilón links. Why is it that we're missing out on the Brighton type signings?
I hate this notion that someone like Pedri wouldn’t school a team like Villa or West Ham. Lamal would have torn Forest to pieces last weekend if he had all of the opportunities Antony had.Because outside of the top 6, the general standard in Spain is less physically demanding.
Yep - just said the same. Until they go, we'll be at this level going forward. Selling to buy, and buying players that are perhaps not the quality you'd expect a team like United to be going for.Because the owners don't care and only see the club as their personal piggy bank. How often does this need repeating? It's the main source of all the club's issues.
The fact that he's United's #1 right back should tell you how far the standards have fallen.The same Wan Bissaka who is still out number one right back? Who's statistics and performances have been very good since getting back into the team?
I don't get this arguement, we have poor scouts because we didn't buy players that other teams brought.
A player can only.go to one club at any one time, why are Arsenals scouts not worse than ours, as they didn't sign any of those aforementioned players, and have been relatively weak in the right full back department?
We bought Park because of his form at PSV and everyone knew him after his incredible game vs AC. Same for Son, he was a known entity at Hamburg, Kim was seen at Fenerbahce before his move to Napoli. Our issue is not that we neglect picking players from South Korea or other far off countries, it is very simply that we don't see talent when it arrives in the other European leagues, wherever they might be from.What baffles me, with our resources, is pretty much abandoning huge parts of the globe.
We sign Park over 20 years ago, the guy is now basically a god over there. But we don't build on that at all, we've done zero business with that entire area since.
But by then that talent costs a fortune and everybody wants them. How's that been working out for us?We bought Park because of his form at PSV and everyone knew him after his incredible game vs AC. Same for Son, he was a known entity at Hamburg, Kim was seen at Fenerbahce before his move to Napoli. Our issue is not that we neglect picking players from South Korea or other far off countries, it is very simply that we don't see talent when it arrives in the other European leagues, wherever they might be from.
Park probably isn't the best example since he, like many of our signings today, was signed from the Eredivisie.What baffles me, with our resources, is pretty much abandoning huge parts of the globe.
We sign Park over 20 years ago, the guy is now basically a god over there. But we don't build on that at all, we've done zero business with that entire area since.
My point is about the huge popularity we gained in that part of the world 20 years ago by signing Park and how we haven't used that advantage at all.Park probably isn't the best example since he, like many of our signings today, was signed from the Eredivisie.
I do agree with the gist of your post though.
You’re kind of acknowledging the issue whilst also dismissing it.But by then that talent costs a fortune and everybody wants them. How's that been working out for us?
So I'd say yeah, it is a major problem that we can't scout this talent from the likes of South Korea or South America. Much smaler clubs with less resources seem to manage it.
Maguire starts in the England team, so your point there is null and void straight away!!The fact that he's United's #1 right back should tell you how far the standards have fallen.
The same Wan-Bissaka cannot get into the England team. You look at Reece James, Trent-Alexander, Kyle Walker and one can almost weep
that the biggest club in the country is comfortable starting Premier League's 10th best right back in their team.
Gary Neville didn't retire for this to be happening. It's a sad state of affairs.
I'm failing to see the point of hiring analysts, scouts, a DoF, or anyone beyond a manager and a few coaches. We always buy whoever the manager wants anywayI thought we brought in some super analyst guy who was working for liverpool or something? Is that wrong? All the money spent elsewhere and they can’t go out and headhunt proven people?
I'd say the players you've listed there all moved before prices really ballooned. Most of those players moving today go for much higher fees I reckon. You can barely kick a ball now and be worth £60 million.You’re kind of acknowledging the issue whilst also dismissing it.
The players don’t cost a fortune in that they are affordable for a club in United’s financial position, you can’t get them all but just think of Son, Salah, KDB, Odegaard, Partey, Saliba, Dias, Gundogan, Firmino etc. none of them were really unknown, they were all playing in Europe and some had even been in the PL before. We just can’t get them across the line (I don’t even know if we were in for any of the above) or, more likely, aren’t even trying.
There’s no point spending vast sums to go and comb a country like South Korea for a kid who could be decent when we can’t even sort out what’s happening on our own continent. That should be the focus first.
we are looking to sign Cucurella and Marco Alonso, ive had enough for this debate if you still cant see the problem.Nkunku wasn't on the list of targets, so we weren't actively scouting him, that doesn't mean the scouts didn't know about him, which is the myth that has perpetuated. He wasn't a player that the scouts deemed a fit for the team.
To clarify the last point, a sporting director/DoF draws up a list of targets alongside the manager and scouting team based on the principles of the team and style of play. Targets are then joint decisions and should then slot into the team due to this process.
This is how it worked under Cortese at Southampton, similar to how it works at Brighton, Newcastle and Arsenal.
Yes because we need an emergency short term loan late on in the window.we are looking to sign Cucurella and Marco Alonso, ive had enough for this debate if you still cant see the problem.
Unless of course Ten Hag is just choosing to overrule recommendation.
It's a difficult situation. Ten Hag has probably been promised influence when hiring, so that has probably been the premise. He then chooses to go against the scouts, which starts another new difficult situation where Antony's price is the reason why we can't buy the squad players we currently chase.Which is the right answer.
We know United scouts earned against Antony but he ignored them.
We are in this mess because we have allowed whoever the manager is to buy who they want and not listen to the club's scouts.
We are in serious need of a real director of football
and those are the best names that our scouts, DoF, and analysists can come up with.... context is everything.Yes because we need an emergency short term loan late on in the window.
Context is everything.
The Ferguson signings all had some good traits. Great scouts too really.What baffles me, with our resources, is pretty much abandoning huge parts of the globe.
We sign Park over 20 years ago, the guy is now basically a god over there. But we don't build on that at all, we've done zero business with that entire area since.
What makes you think those are the names they are coming up with.and those are the best names that our scouts, DoF, and analysists can come up with.... context is everything.
Why are people obsessed with Brighton's recruitment team. They've never managed a top 4 finish in the league. It can't be that good.When Qatar take over (fingers crossed) their first act should be fire everyone involved with transfers and scouting.
Then, head hunt Brightons scouting team.
And I thought we had DoF....What makes you think those are the names they are coming up with.
We know Ten Hag had his own mind on who he was and doesn't let that be changed by anyone.
It's likely these are the players he wants at this stage
He had a style of play but I can't say we were improving. He was incredibly rigid and the players were clearly unhappy.My point regards LVG was mainly to do with the fact we had a style of play and were improving within that structure.
That's not scouting, that's financial fair play.Honestly I haven't got a clue beyond the standard reply of "the Glazers"
It's been 10 years of bad recruitment and we're seeing the same old shit now. We're at the end of the transfer window desperately scrambling around trying to find some cheap cast offs to bolster a mediocre squad that is in desperate need of real quality
I accept your correction, even Herrera although more like average than good to me.
Haven't you noticed the age gap? what happened to the last 10 years.
I don’t remember us signing Jesus.Jesus...
Heinze?
Pique?
Park?
Nani?
Evra?
Vidic?
Hernandez?
Herrera?
