We should ponder the more realistic scenario on whether he should stay when he fails to win the EL but makes top 4. His stock is going to be really low if he bottles 2 european cups in one seasonWinning the Europa League is preferable to finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the league.
If we managed it, Ole would stay, but we won't manage it.
My guess is that any scenario where we secure CL football for next season, will see him stay.We should ponder the more realistic scenario on whether he should stay when he fails to win the EL but makes top 4. His stock is going to be really low if he bottles 2 european cups in one season
Worked out well for JoseOur only goal now should be getting at least 2nd place in the league in my opinion. That would show improvement more than winning EL in my opinion.
Agreed. Winning trophies is vital.The players need to learn how to win a trophy. I don't want them thinking Top 4 is what Manchester United is about. Manchester United is about winning. So EL win it is.
The EL definitely isn't easy to win, so that would show some progress, because up to now we have had three semi-finals and mucked all of them up. He cannot keep going on about the legacy of the club and not win anything.Ole would still be here if he wins the EL, because that means we enter the CL next season.
But this is delusional anyway. We won't be winning any trophy under Ole, least of the EL which is one of the most difficult trophies to win. It took a serial winning manager to win the EL for us, along with a motivated Pogba and Ibrahimovic.
I realise that there are a lot of youngsters on this forum, so they believe that the EL is easy to win - it is not.
The Glazers don't care how, they just want the Champions League TV money. They showed that in 2016-17. League position is only of interest to the owners in so far as it relates to Champions League revenue.Just wondering what the fans prefer, a Europa League win or a top 4?
I know it would be ideal to do both, but if the choice was one or the other, which would you prefer?
Also, will the Glazers be happier with a Europa League win or with getting Top 4?
Poll would be nice.
Don't you think these players need to experience winning something, otherwise we will become another Spurs, there or thereabouts, but in the end losers.No. Progress is closing in on the top 2. What progress would winning Europa really show? It's worse than the FA Cup, so he should go the same way as LVG.
We dropped at the first hurdle in CL under Ole. I think it would signal that we should try somebody else and see if they can take us further in CL as well as progressing in the league.
If you drop out at group stage though, then you still miss out on a lot of money.The Glazers don't care how, they just want the Champions League TV money. They showed that in 2016-17. League position is only of interest to the owners in so far as it relates to Champions League revenue.
Personally, I would rather win the Europa League than finish fourth. There is no trophy for second, third or fourth. However, I think it's fairly clear that the Glazers don't give a monkeys as long as we are in the Champions League next season.
I do, but what is your argument? Or are you agreeing? Do you think they need to experience winning and that will happen under Ole?Don't you think these players need to experience winning something, otherwise we will become another Spurs, there or thereabouts, but in the end losers.
I agree. The PL is a managers bread and butter and if we don't improve in closing in on the top 2 then we aren't going in the right direction and should be looking at bringing in a new manager. El over top 4? No chance.No. Progress is closing in on the top 2. What progress would winning Europa really show? It's worse than the FA Cup, so he should go the same way as LVG.
We dropped at the first hurdle in CL under Ole. I think it would signal that we should try somebody else and see if they can take us further in CL as well as progressing in the league.
Do I think Ole is the answer in the long term? No. Do I think this team might go somewhere if they start winning trophies? If for once in their lives the board pick the right man for the next stage. Yes. That is a big if though. They really need to prove a lot to me.I do, but what is your argument? Or are you agreeing? Do you think they need to experience winning and that will happen under Ole?
EDIT: I get your point on second reading, sorry. Do you think winning EL would catapult us? We have won trophies over the last few years, don't forget.
In that case, I agree 100%. I think there is now a lot of talent and depth in our squad, more than the Ole In posters would have you believe. I think the right manager would have us excited by our football, our team would visibly look well drilled and make the most of their talent, we'd compete for trophies and, as a result, we'd all be a bit more positive.Do I think Ole is the answer in the long term? No. Do I think this team might go somewhere if they start winning trophies? If for once in their lives the board pick the right man for the next stage. Yes. That is a big if though. They really need to prove a lot to me.
Problem Ole has is we cannot go on long winning runs, our away record in the league is great, but unfortunately our home record is dire. Every game we get a good result the next we lose and makes the great result null and void. We go on about beating WHU and Southampton, yet both are still above us.I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but Ole’s fate is sealed just like LVG’s was in his final season. Unless we mount a serious title challenge in the PL, I think the board will give him until the end of the season and then replace him.
Agreed. Trophy winning badly needed in this moment in time. Our youngsters need to feel the glory of winning pressure games for them to improve on their in-game maturity.The players need to learn how to win a trophy. I don't want them thinking Top 4 is what Manchester United is about. Manchester United is about winning. So EL win it is.
