Not in the post I responded to, that point came up later, but now I get your response
World Cup Squads 2022
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
It’s going to be boring with them as usual with Santos in charge. If Son is fit, I can see Korea taking a point of them, which would make the group anyone’s to lose.
Surely most of Uruguay squad were born in Montevideo? Although I assume they visit the different districts for those players, will give it a watch later.
What's the Serbia squad out of interest?
Serbia Final Squad
Serbia:
GOALKEEPERS: Marko Dmitrović (Sevilla), Vanja Milinković-Savić (Torino), Predrag Rajković (Mallorca)
DEFENDERS: Srđan Babić (Almeria), Strahinja Eraković (Red Star Belgrade), Filip Mladenović (Legia Warsaw), Nikola Milenković (Fiorentina), Stefan Mitrović (Red Star Belgrade), Strahinja Pavlović (Salzburg), Miloš Veljković (Werder Bremen)
MIDFIELDERS: Marko Grujić (Porto), Nemanja Gudelj (Sevilla), Ivan Ilić (Hellas Verona), Filip Kostić (Juventus), Darko Lazović (Hellas Verona), Saša Lukić (Torino), Nemanja Maksimović (Getafe), Sergej Milinković-Savić (Lazio), Uroš Račić (Braga), Andrija Živković (PAOK Thessaloniki)
FORWARDS: Filip Đuričić (Sampdoria), Luka Jović (Fiorentina), Aleksandar Mitrović (Fulham), Nemanja Radonjić (Torino), Dušan Tadić (Ajax), Dušan Vlahović (Juventus)
South Korea Final Squad
South Korea:
Goalkeepers: Kim Seung-gyu (Al Shabab), Jo Hyeon-woo (Ulsan Hyundai), Song Bum-keun (Jeonbuk Motors)
Defenders: Kim Min-jae (Napoli), Kim Jin-su (Jeonbuk Motors), Hong Chul (Daegu FC), Kim Moon-hwan (Jeonbuk Motors), Yoon Jong-gyu (FC Seoul), Kim Young-gwon (Ulsan Hyundai), Kim Tae-hwan (Ulsan Hyundai), Kwon Kyung-won (Gamba Osaka), Cho Yu-min (Daejon Citizen)
Midfielders: Jung Woo-young (Al Sadd), Na Sang-ho (FC Seoul), Paik Seung-ho (Jeonbuk Motors), Son Jun-ho (Shandong Taishan), Song Min-kyu (Jeonbuk Motors), Kwon Chang-hoon (Gimcheon Sangmu), Son Heung-min (Tottenham Hotspur), Lee Jae-sung (Mainz), Hwang Hee-chan (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Hwang In-beom (Olympiacos), Jeong Woo-yeong (Freiburg), Lee Kang-in (Real Mallorca)
Forwards: Hwang Ui-jo (Olympiacos), Cho Gue-sung (Jeonbuk Motors)
Goalkeepers: Kim Seung-gyu (Al Shabab), Jo Hyeon-woo (Ulsan Hyundai), Song Bum-keun (Jeonbuk Motors)
Defenders: Kim Min-jae (Napoli), Kim Jin-su (Jeonbuk Motors), Hong Chul (Daegu FC), Kim Moon-hwan (Jeonbuk Motors), Yoon Jong-gyu (FC Seoul), Kim Young-gwon (Ulsan Hyundai), Kim Tae-hwan (Ulsan Hyundai), Kwon Kyung-won (Gamba Osaka), Cho Yu-min (Daejon Citizen)
Midfielders: Jung Woo-young (Al Sadd), Na Sang-ho (FC Seoul), Paik Seung-ho (Jeonbuk Motors), Son Jun-ho (Shandong Taishan), Song Min-kyu (Jeonbuk Motors), Kwon Chang-hoon (Gimcheon Sangmu), Son Heung-min (Tottenham Hotspur), Lee Jae-sung (Mainz), Hwang Hee-chan (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Hwang In-beom (Olympiacos), Jeong Woo-yeong (Freiburg), Lee Kang-in (Real Mallorca)
Forwards: Hwang Ui-jo (Olympiacos), Cho Gue-sung (Jeonbuk Motors)
By now 25 squads have been announced, 7 left.
Bayern Munich and Manchester City are the best represented clubs with 16 players each so far. Manchester United are 5th with 13 players.
Bayern Munich and Manchester City are the best represented clubs with 16 players each so far. Manchester United are 5th with 13 players.
Surely not. Almost half the population lives in Montevideo but with that comes all sorts of impediments to just growing up kicking a football around.
Up to age 10 or so the lack of infrastructure is an advantage. There's fields everywhere, no traffic to mow down kids running after stray balls, schooling hours are minimal, there are no distractions/attractions other than football outdoors.
From ages 8-12 there are organised Sunday leagues across the country. My grandfather (from Salto) started those about 70 years ago and in the video you can see the rudimentary facilities of some of those better known for developing talents. That's a level playing field.
After 12 yeah, you need to get picked up and moved to Montevideo and the early years for those lucky ones are not too different to the old stories of apprentices shining boots for the first team and stuff.
Actually, at that point you are better positioned if you've been brought to Montevideo (on your own) as the club arranges housing and transport, while those who are 12-16 and from Montevideo still live with their parents and struggle to make it to training. Josema Giménez couldn't afford the bus so spent almost 5 years walking ~8kms every time he went to training. That's some serious dedication for a teenager.
Since 2010, the team donates the lion's share of the World Cup prize money to the Celeste Foundation, which is invested in supporting all that grassroots effort. They buy kit and balls for those kid football clubs, in turn demand certain standards from their coaches (e.g. all kids that go to matchday must play at least 5 minutes), have built a training complex for the U-17/U-19 NT and run an old people's home facility + buy meds for retired NT players who are skint (most really).
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Im definitely going to Uruguay at some point
That Kamada scores so much for a midfielder, now that the arrival of Götze pushed him back a line it doesn't seem like his name's appeared less on the goal scoring sheets when I check them. Wonder if he'll play as prolifically for Japan this WC.
But I'm also surprised he hasn't moved to a bigger club by now, since this is the third season he's showing his goal scoring abilities.
Actually just checked his wikipedia and this season his ratio seems to skyrocket. Wonder where this will be headed.
While I get that people don't like many of his decisions, the last EC and this made it really obvious he thinks there should be 11 profiles of players – pretty much based around 2010-Barça's midfield with some changes to the players around them – and selects two players to fill all those roles + 3 extra's, but I think even last tournament the forwards seemed the area where he's most indecisive.
As someone who enjoys dream team/ultimate team experimentation I like what he's doing and notice that I blame him less than I do Deschamps
It actually makes me not judge other squads I don't know as much. While the forwards are rather subpar, there are many who can do their job pretty well. I miss Danjuma who I think could've made a great option, especially in their 3-4-1-2 system used right now. But other than that it's a pretty balanced team, in my opinion. Memphis is an important player, and the main man up front. While he's inconsistent and often not that good on the ball/with his decision making, he usually does have his moment or two that can decide a game. With his fitness troubles now it's extra odd that Danjuma was left in Spain, but then again, even though he's not that good yet/rn, Lang is more of a similar type player, which is probably very useful with the narrow forward line. Other 'average' players like De Roon, Koopmeiners and Berghuis can really do their job well and it's more a matter of being in form, where perhaps the star studded teams are more reliant on not being out of form.
But the most important player – Frenkie – seems to be in excellent form and they probably hope that will help Van Dijk and Timber (and Blind) show better things than they have this season, with Aké already being more solid than the others. Dumfries has his limits but is an excellent tactical option as RWB. Blind is more of a risk, while Malacia is inconsistent. Frimpong is a great asset profile-wise, but with LVG never trying him out before we'll have to wait and see how he adapts to the squad. Behind them on goal is more of an issue, but I think Bijlow is probably seen as number 1, Pasveer as the experienced back-up and I assume Noppert is the penalty specialist, even if LVG said he was the GK in best shape. It's still weird they didn't bring Flekken along who's having a great season in Germany, but Bijlow as #1 makes sense, and then it's just figuring out who you think will make the best cover and best penalty option. In that sense I don't think it's as weird as it would;ve been as a more top 3 GK-based selection, because in that sense it's simply outrageous to pick never-tried Noppert over either Cillessen or Flekken.
In midfield you obviously have Frenkie and if Koopmeiners gets over his NL-nerves, he would be an amazing partner for De Jong. Otherwise it's any option among Berghuis, Taylor, Klaassen, De Roon who can do a job in their own way. In front of them it's probably Berghuis, Gakpo or Klaassen, with Simons as a joker card with his great form. If you play with Memphis (or Lang) up front you're probably better off with someone like Gakpo or even Klaassen, but if Memphis is replaced by Janssen or something I think they'll play someone with more of a pass behind the strikers, who will probably be Bergwijn and either Memphis if fit or whoever seems like a decent replacement.
So, not great, but as a general setup it's more balanced than they've been in a long long time. No, there's no Robben or Van Persie, but there's also not really a Heitinga. Perhaps there is up front, but it's better to hope for some moments up front than hope they don't happen in the back. Memphis and Bergwijn can absolutely suck, but even out of form they've shown moments of excellence as well. With all the lines behind them being pretty good, and in some positions even excellent like Frenkie, they're probably better than the team sheets might show. But it's still so weird that Danjuma isn't in there...
They were hoping to be the next Vivaldo
I mean it makes sense with Simeone ruining his career, but no Angelito (Correa)
Cheers! Don't know the defenders so well aside from Milenkovic who's status has slipped from when Mourinho wanted him for Man. United and now he can't get in Fiorentina regular 11.
However that's a tidy selection of midfielders and wide players and very nice range of forwards.
Serbia seem to be a mini Netherlands in it seems things implode internally but I fancy them to get out of the group and make the QFs. Has to be motivation for that given the impact Croatia made at last one.
Sorry boss , wasn't trying to disrespect your nation.
I have huge respect for what Uruguay do in producing 3-4 world class players every squad cycle and you certainly have one of the best systems in the world for modern age to remain competitive with a population of 3m.
Certainly on the bucket list to visit Montevideo and watch game at Centenario one day, I presume it will get redeveloped if the 2030 bid comes off?
Didn't take it that way at all. Very much the opposite, since you seemed to know about the demographics.Sorry boss , wasn't trying to disrespect your nation.
FIFA would surely demand it, more so when the idea is to hold the opening game and final there.
Personally, I like the romantic side of just holding it in pretty much the same stadium that was built for 1930.
In fact, it's a bit of a pickle because FIFA gave it World Football Heritage status in 1983 so technically it should not be refurbished.
The museum in the tower is fantastic. It's like the British Museum of early world football archaeology
Did De Gea retire from international football? Weird he wasn't even picked.
He hasn't been picked for a while. Never been good enough at International level.
Kamada always was a great finisher, but his numbers definitely profit from Götze taking over a lot of playmaking responsibilities Kamada had to do last season. Do Japan have someone simililar who can unlock Kamada in the same way?
And regarding a potential move: This is Kamada's first CL season and Frankfurt developed excellently - it makes sense for him, to prove himself in the CL there before moving to a bigger club.
That sounds like a very good point. Beforehand I expected Götze to be more of a goalscoring 10-type, but he seems to fit better to the playmaking role. I haven't watched many games but I can imagine it works better with the players around him now than what he generally had to deal with last season at PSV.
Doan was decent cover for Götze at PSV, but I haven't followed him this season in Germany. Kubo is an obvious pick, but I'm not sure about his fitness levels at the moment.
They had a good one in Nakajima for a while, but his transfer choices and bad luck with a coach like Conceicao thinking it was a bad move to think about the health of his wife. Hope he still gets a nice career reboot at Antalyaspor. Sadly for him I think this would have been his chance at a world cup and now it's too late.
I don't know if Brighton followers can tell us more about Mitoma? I noticed he was in the team of the week on PES
and his youtube compilations show him as either a skilled winger or a playmaker type. Perhaps Minamino can do a job, but I don't think he's as creative as Kubo and Doan.He doesn't deserve to be picked ahead of Raya or Sanchez.
He hasn't been part of that squad for a while I think. To be honest, even when he was considered one of the world's best, he never really did that level of a job for the national team. Unai seems more stable for them and the cover I don't know so well, but I guess they're either decent ball players or very good at being a nice guy on the bench.
What is it with Spain and not producing a single decent CF? Morata has been their no.9 for what seems like five World Cups now. I mean, in a decade (aside from Costa) are we to think there hasn't been a single striker better than Morata in Spain?
Potential bombshell from Iran's camp.
Quieroz had a press conference scheduled today to announce the final list which was cancelled last minute due to unknown reason.
All over Persian social media is that the regime has ordered him to exclude Sardar Azmoun (one of our only 2 star players beside Taremi) due to his continuous support of anti-regime protests and social media posts vs. the regime, and also to start Mehdi Torabi and Vahid Amiri (the 2 biggest regime supporters in the squad that sang the "national" anthem in the last friendly, whereas everyone else didn't)...so that when the anthems are sung, the TVs would show these 2 players who'd normally not start, sing it. Rumours which I hope aren't true, but we'll have to wait and see.
Absolutely ridiculous and I really hope Queiroz doesn't bow down and resigns. F this team...I don't even want to participate in the WC with that disgusting flag and anthem. I hope we get banned if Azmoun is excluded for political reasons or better CQ resigns and we become the laughing stock. Then hopefully tanked by ALL anglo teams to completely embarrass the monsters of Islamic Republic.
big 24 hours ahead....Carlos Queiroz vs. the might of Islamic Republic....7 days before England vs. Iran match.
As a side, one of the members of "parliament" said today, those who don't sing the anthem shouldn't be part of the team....That's after volleyball, basketball, waterpolo, beach football teams all refused to sing the Islamic Republic anthem in international tournaments over the past week.
Quieroz had a press conference scheduled today to announce the final list which was cancelled last minute due to unknown reason.
All over Persian social media is that the regime has ordered him to exclude Sardar Azmoun (one of our only 2 star players beside Taremi) due to his continuous support of anti-regime protests and social media posts vs. the regime, and also to start Mehdi Torabi and Vahid Amiri (the 2 biggest regime supporters in the squad that sang the "national" anthem in the last friendly, whereas everyone else didn't)...so that when the anthems are sung, the TVs would show these 2 players who'd normally not start, sing it. Rumours which I hope aren't true, but we'll have to wait and see.
Absolutely ridiculous and I really hope Queiroz doesn't bow down and resigns. F this team...I don't even want to participate in the WC with that disgusting flag and anthem. I hope we get banned if Azmoun is excluded for political reasons or better CQ resigns and we become the laughing stock. Then hopefully tanked by ALL anglo teams to completely embarrass the monsters of Islamic Republic.
big 24 hours ahead....Carlos Queiroz vs. the might of Islamic Republic....7 days before England vs. Iran match.
As a side, one of the members of "parliament" said today, those who don't sing the anthem shouldn't be part of the team....That's after volleyball, basketball, waterpolo, beach football teams all refused to sing the Islamic Republic anthem in international tournaments over the past week.
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Don't Fifa actually ban teams from international scene for a while if there's government interference in selections?
Very frustrating for Iran as they've been pretty decent in the last two world cups and finally have some decent finishers in final third so could see them getting 4 points in that group and frustrating England for long spells if they're fully focused.
Very frustrating for Iran as they've been pretty decent in the last two world cups and finally have some decent finishers in final third so could see them getting 4 points in that group and frustrating England for long spells if they're fully focused.
Deserve ? That's a crap way of putting it. They fit the style more than DDG but going by his form under ETH he is doing more than good this season.
De Gea just made too many errors in previous tournaments. Let in that one squirm under him in the classic 3-3 v Portugal in 2018 and he was also at fault for Italy goal in 2016.
No real different to Joe Hart's England career ending after euro 2016.
Canada Final Squad
Canada:
Goalkeepers: Milan Borjan (Red Star Belgrade/Serbia), James Pantemis (CF Montreal), Dayne St. Clair (Minnesota United)
Defenders: Sam Adekugbe (Hatayspor/Turkey), Derek Cornelius (Vancouver Whitecaps - Panetolikos/Greece), Alistair Johnston (CF Montreal), Richie Laryea (Nottingham Forrest/England), Kamal Miller (CF Montreal), Steven Vitoria (Chaves/Portugal), Joel Waterman (CF Montreal)
Midfielders: Stephen Eustaquio (FC Porto/Portugal), Liam Fraser (Deinze/Belgium), Atiba Hutchinson (Besiktas/Turkey), Mark-Anthony Kaye (Toronto FC), Ismael Kone (CF Montreal), Jonathan Osorio (Toronto FC), Samuel Piette (CF Montreal), David Wotherspoon (St. Johnstone/Scotland)
Forwards: Tajon Buchanan (Club Brugge/Belgium), Lucas Cavallini (Vancouver Whitecaps), Jonathan David (Lille/France), Alphonso Davies (Bayern Munich/Germany), Junior Hoillett (Reading/England), Cyle Larin (Club Brugge/Belgium), Liam Miller (FC Basel/ Switzerland), Ike Ugbo (Troyes/France)
Goalkeepers: Milan Borjan (Red Star Belgrade/Serbia), James Pantemis (CF Montreal), Dayne St. Clair (Minnesota United)
Defenders: Sam Adekugbe (Hatayspor/Turkey), Derek Cornelius (Vancouver Whitecaps - Panetolikos/Greece), Alistair Johnston (CF Montreal), Richie Laryea (Nottingham Forrest/England), Kamal Miller (CF Montreal), Steven Vitoria (Chaves/Portugal), Joel Waterman (CF Montreal)
Midfielders: Stephen Eustaquio (FC Porto/Portugal), Liam Fraser (Deinze/Belgium), Atiba Hutchinson (Besiktas/Turkey), Mark-Anthony Kaye (Toronto FC), Ismael Kone (CF Montreal), Jonathan Osorio (Toronto FC), Samuel Piette (CF Montreal), David Wotherspoon (St. Johnstone/Scotland)
Forwards: Tajon Buchanan (Club Brugge/Belgium), Lucas Cavallini (Vancouver Whitecaps), Jonathan David (Lille/France), Alphonso Davies (Bayern Munich/Germany), Junior Hoillett (Reading/England), Cyle Larin (Club Brugge/Belgium), Liam Miller (FC Basel/ Switzerland), Ike Ugbo (Troyes/France)
Liverpool only have 7!! players, who will play at the world cup. United have 14 and City 16. It could be a big advantage for Liverpool, who can rest players. Their manager also has the opportunity to train their tactics well. Incidentally, Newcastle only have 5 players with them.
Looks like Queiroz's threats to resign if politically influenced for the squad selection worked. Squad announced at 11pm ,at dead of the night. No press conference. Azmoun included.
Could work both ways though. You won't be sharp enough to start again in Dec. But as a season, it could benefit towards the end of season.
Depends how many of them are starting for their national sides and how far those side go?
Alphonso Davies a forward for Canada?
Seems so (this is from a preview I read in the Guardian earlier): "Herdman experimented with the Bayern Munich man in his natural left-back position in the early stages of his tenure, but Davies has made it clear that he wants to be an attacking difference-maker for this team and his remarkable individual goal against Panama in qualifying shows no one else can do what he can."
By nature he is a left winger, it was more or less an accident, that he could claim the left back position in München (due to injuries there and München having a lot of wingers but lacked an LB). Considering his quality it's not that surprising that Canada allows him to play on his natural position.
Denmark Final Squad
Denmark:
Goalkeepers: Kasper Schmeichel (Nice), Oliver Christensen (Hertha Berlin), Frederik Ronnow (Union Berlin).
Defenders: Simon Kjaer (AC Milan), Joachim Andersen (Crystal Palace), Joakim Maehle (Atalanta), Andreas Christensen (Barcelona), Rasmus Kristensen (Leeds United), Jens Stryger Larsen (Trabzonspor), Victor Nelsson (Galatasaray), Daniel Wass (Brondby), Alexander Bah (Benfica).
Midfielders: Thomas Delaney (Sevilla), Mathias Jensen (Brentford), Christian Eriksen (Manchester United), Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (Tottenham Hotspur), Christian Norgaard (Brentford), Robert Skov (Hoffenheim).
Forwards: Andreas Skov Olsen (Club Bruges), Jesper Lindstrom (Eintracht Frankfurt), Andreas Cornelius (FC Copenhagen), Martin Braithwaite (Espanyol), Kasper Dolberg (Sevilla), Mikkel Damsgaard (Brentford), Jonas Wind (VfL Wolfsburg) Yussuf Poulsen (RB Leipzig)
Goalkeepers: Kasper Schmeichel (Nice), Oliver Christensen (Hertha Berlin), Frederik Ronnow (Union Berlin).
Defenders: Simon Kjaer (AC Milan), Joachim Andersen (Crystal Palace), Joakim Maehle (Atalanta), Andreas Christensen (Barcelona), Rasmus Kristensen (Leeds United), Jens Stryger Larsen (Trabzonspor), Victor Nelsson (Galatasaray), Daniel Wass (Brondby), Alexander Bah (Benfica).
Midfielders: Thomas Delaney (Sevilla), Mathias Jensen (Brentford), Christian Eriksen (Manchester United), Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (Tottenham Hotspur), Christian Norgaard (Brentford), Robert Skov (Hoffenheim).
Forwards: Andreas Skov Olsen (Club Bruges), Jesper Lindstrom (Eintracht Frankfurt), Andreas Cornelius (FC Copenhagen), Martin Braithwaite (Espanyol), Kasper Dolberg (Sevilla), Mikkel Damsgaard (Brentford), Jonas Wind (VfL Wolfsburg) Yussuf Poulsen (RB Leipzig)
Presnel Kimpembe is out injured and has been replaced with Axel Disasi from Monaco. Marcus Thuram (Borussia Mönchengladbach) has also been added to the squad as the 26th player.
Mexico Final Squad
Mexico:
GK: Guillermo Ochoa (América), Alfredo Talavera (Juárez), Rodolfo Cota (León)
Defenders: Kevin Álvarez (Pachuca), Jesús Angulo (Tigres), Néstor Araujo (América), Gerardo Arteaga (Genk), Jesús Gallardo (Monterrey), Héctor Moreno (Monterrey), César Montes (Monterrey), Jorge Sánchez (Ajax), Johan Vásquez (Cremonese)
Midfielders: Edson Álvarez (Ajax), Roberto Alvarado (Guadalajara), Uriel Antuna (Cruz Azul), Luis Chávez (Pachuca), Andrés Guardado (Betis), Erick Gutiérrez (PSV), Héctor Herrera (Houston Dynamo), Orbelin Pineda (AEK Athens), Carlos Rodríguez (Cruz Azul), Luis Romo (Monterrey)
Forwards: Rogelio Funes Mori (Monterrey), Raúl Jiménez (Wolverhampton), Hirving Lozano (Napoli), Henry Martín (América), Alexis Vega (Guadalajara)
GK: Guillermo Ochoa (América), Alfredo Talavera (Juárez), Rodolfo Cota (León)
Defenders: Kevin Álvarez (Pachuca), Jesús Angulo (Tigres), Néstor Araujo (América), Gerardo Arteaga (Genk), Jesús Gallardo (Monterrey), Héctor Moreno (Monterrey), César Montes (Monterrey), Jorge Sánchez (Ajax), Johan Vásquez (Cremonese)
Midfielders: Edson Álvarez (Ajax), Roberto Alvarado (Guadalajara), Uriel Antuna (Cruz Azul), Luis Chávez (Pachuca), Andrés Guardado (Betis), Erick Gutiérrez (PSV), Héctor Herrera (Houston Dynamo), Orbelin Pineda (AEK Athens), Carlos Rodríguez (Cruz Azul), Luis Romo (Monterrey)
Forwards: Rogelio Funes Mori (Monterrey), Raúl Jiménez (Wolverhampton), Hirving Lozano (Napoli), Henry Martín (América), Alexis Vega (Guadalajara)
Tata Martino taking Jimenez i see. That's a bit of a gamble.