Micky Targaryen
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The fact that majority on here are against this signing makes me want this even more. Sign him up!
Besides can't miss players like Neymar or Suarez their transfers have been terrible in the past 5 years or so. Not saying they are wrong on this one though, he hasn't performed for them.If a team like Barcelona, known for their eye for talent, wants to sell you after one season and brings another player on your position, it says it all.
Yeah.Manchester City?
If he's cheaper than McGuire, then I'm all for it. £70million odd is a joke for him.
Mina is a colossal at heading, seems to read the game well and looks to have both strength and speed.
I seriously doubt he is half the player of Maguire. I rate Maguire highly, but that's a bit harsh on the Mina lad. Given there is only really the world cup to go on and 5 or 6 Barca games, I'm not sure how you can say that.He's gonna be cheaper because he's half the player.
The last thing we need is another mediocre defender we already have 6 of those in the squad.
He's not half the defender, because half of Maguire's defensive capabilities would be a championship CB. And not a good oneHe's gonna be cheaper because he's half the player.
The last thing we need is another mediocre defender we already have 6 of those in the squad.
I know you dislike Maguire, but you really shouldn't be basing your thoughts on Mina on just the world cup, one match at that. He's not a good defender. He's not even close to as good as Maguire.He's not half the defender, because half of Maguire's defensive capabilities would be a championship CB. And not a good one
He's not half the defender, because half of Maguire's defensive capabilities would be a championship CB. And not a good one
To be clear I dont rate Maguire as a particularly fantastic CB because his defending leaves a lot to be desired, particularly his positioning and getting caught up the pitch and never getting back into his defensive position on opponent attacks. I dont dislike him. I've never met him, he might be a really nice guyI know you dislike Maguire, but you really shouldn't be basing your thoughts on Mina on just the world cup, one match at that. He's not a good defender. He's not even close to as good as Maguire.
Full disclosure, I don't like either. But Maguire is a better player.
I mean, people may have seen him at Leicester but I agree. I'm loathe to buy anyone following a world cup. It's one of those weird things that never pan out.To be clear I dont rate Maguire as a particularly fantastic CB because his defending leaves a lot to be desired, particularly his positioning and getting caught up the pitch and never getting back into his defensive position on opponent attacks. I dont dislike him. I've never met him, he might be a really nice guy
Mina as I said previously, I havent seen enough of him but he was solid enough against England to know that he's not a championship level CB. I didnt say he's better than Maguire, I just pointed out that its silly to say that hes half as good as Maguire as a defender because Maguire isnt particularly good himself and half as good would be absolutely useless.
It is weird though that almost everyone is hyping Maguire up based on the world cup alone but its not okay to do that with Mina too. I'm not doing that but it does seem weird. From what I did see he's a young CB with major assets and potential. No idea if he would do better than Rojo but at 23 and a lot lower price than other CBs he seems worth a try for someone
Didn't we buy Rooney and Rio after a WC showcase? Then Vidic, after captaining that Serbia side with the least conceded goal on WC Qualification?I mean, people may have seen him at Leicester but I agree. I'm loathe to buy anyone following a world cup. It's one of those weird things that never pan out.
We didn't buy Rooney or Rio just based off a single tournament. Rooney had been coveted by the club ever since he scored something like 20 goals for Everton in a single youth game for Everton against us. Rio was playing in a very good Leeds side at CL level too.Didn't we buy Rooney and Rio after a WC showcase? Then Vidic, after captaining that Serbia side with the least conceded goal on WC Qualification?
Yes, agreed we had interest before that. But we waited right until we saw their performance at WC though. Their price should be cheaper before the good WC.We didn't buy Rooney or Rio just based off a single tournament. Rooney had been coveted by the club ever since he scored something like 20 goals for Everton in a single youth game for Everton against us. Rio was playing in a very good Leeds side at CL level too.
Aren't you looking for an improvement on your current options? This guy isn't that, he would just be another option. The likes of Alderweireld and Maguire (despite his detractors eager to claim he's a pub player despite being recognised as exceptional wherever he's played) do come in and improve you. Going for the cheap option isn't always the best way, you might as well sign nobody if this is the alternative.Not sure what the fuss is all about. He looks like he is among the best of what is available on the market at the moment. Given how inflated Maguires price is, he would be a good alternative.
For those who are sneering at this signing, who would you rather have? Maguire’s price is 20 million above his market value, and Levi would demand Martial for Alderweireld if we are to get him for anywhere near his value (or else we would be overpaying again). Who else is out there?
I agree to a certain extent that we shouldn't base Mina solely on his World Cup performances, but how many times have you seen Mina play for Barcelona, given that he only has 6 appearances in La Liga? Just curious why people are so against this signing. You'd think he is the next Titus Bramble the way some are going on here. For those against signing Mina, did you guys follow his career from the Brazilian league to Barcelona?I know you dislike Maguire, but you really shouldn't be basing your thoughts on Mina on just the world cup, one match at that. He's not a good defender. He's not even close to as good as Maguire.
Full disclosure, I don't like either. But Maguire is a better player.
Maguire is regarded as exceptional right now, but a year ago he was just another promising defender. If we had signed him then, the same doubters would have had a moan about us signing someone unknown/unproven. A lot can happen in one season.Aren't you looking for an improvement on your current options? This guy isn't that, he would just be another option. The likes of Alderweireld and Maguire (despite his detractors eager to claim he's a pub player despite being recognised as exceptional wherever he's played) do come in and improve you. Going for the cheap option isn't always the best way, you might as well sign nobody if this is the alternative.
Shit on the ball and turns like a lorry. He has none of the attributes we want or need.Is he good on the ball? How quick is he?
Haven't seen enough of him so cannot judge.
He was excellent for Hull (their standout player), earned a move to Leicester where he became their player of the season according to both his teammates and the fans. Even a year ago the teams he had played for he had been a success for, more than can be said for Mina.Maguire is regarded as exceptional right now, but a year ago he was just another promising defender. If we had signed him then, the same doubters would have had a moan about us signing someone unknown/unproven. A lot can happen in one season.
Mina looks like he has all the attributes to become a success. He looks good on the ball and is better in the air than any of our other targets. He is strong and has good all round play. He would offer a better aerial threat than any of our current defenders and so he is an improvement in that sense. I am not a scout so I can’t judge him with any confidence beyond that, but I don’t think he looks that far off from Maguire’s level.
Given the choice, I’d choose Maguire (If the club isn’t taken advantage of in terms of price). But if the club’s scouts see something in Mina then I am all for the signing.
How much have you seen him?Seen a few people say he's 'good on the ball'. Can I ask what you guys are basing this on? He looks clumsy whenever I've seen him and I think that's a big part of why Barcelona are so keen to offload.
For Barca and in the World Cup. Admittedly a small sample size, but if a player is comfortable on the ball you can generally tell, he's never looked like a defender who wants the ball at his feet when I've watched him. Maybe it was different in the Brazillian league but that's not really relevant if he can't replicate that in European leagues. If that's what people are basing claims that he's good on the ball on, it seems a little bit weak.How much have you seen him?
Really?Before the world cup there were quite a few on here touting him as a potential gem that might breakout at the tournament. I remember because I kept an eye on him off the back of the comments. Now you'd think we're signing a league 2 defender.
Given that he's not played much at Barca, how are so many so clued up on this guy? Because nobody is writing him off or forming concrete opinions based on the world cup surely.
I don't think he's that bad, I just don't think he's a genuine upgrade on your current options, and if your fans are frustrated with Smalling's ability on the ball then from what I've seen of this guy he's absolutely no better. Whenever I've seen him from Barca (watched the Levante game from the start as had Barca in an accy) he's been positionally a disaster. He obviously has the physical tools and can score a few headers but I haven't seen anything to convince me he's a player who could improve any of the teams in the top four.Before the world cup there were quite a few on here touting him as a potential gem that might breakout at the tournament. I remember because I kept an eye on him off the back of the comments. Now you'd think we're signing a league 2 defender.
Given that he's not played much at Barca, how are so many so clued up on this guy? Because nobody is writing him off or forming concrete opinions based on the world cup surely.
Don't know him but we have two Jerry threads going on.
This is the original and bestWhy have we got two Mina threads going on at the same time???