Young Lions 2019/20

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    Thread to keep an eye on the progress of the England youth sides and players this season.

    A number of players are now playing abroad, a few to look out for

    Yunus Musah - Valencia



    Jon Panzo - Monaco (u17 World Cup winner) looks to have won a starting spot at Monaco this season



    Xavier Amaechi - HSV made his senior debut in the German Cup last week

    Hopefully Smith-Rowe will get a his move before the window shuts



    Madueke - PSV not sure how close he is to the first team but hopefully will get some minutes this season



    Domestically Jude Bellingham at Birmingham is one to look out for, just became Birmingham's youngest ever senior player at 16 beating Trevor Francis's record. He a physically large but a technical and skilful central midfielder.



    Steve Sessegnon made his full league debut last night for Fulham and did well. Another right back for England to add to their vast collection!

    There are many more. I'll update as they make the news etc..
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    These were the players highlighted by a German scout 2 years ago in this article https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...remier-league-transfer-news-epl-a8729736.html

    20 years old – Reece Oxford (West Ham United)
    18 – O’Riley (Fulham); Xavier Amaechi (Arsenal); Curtis Jones (Liverpool); Arvin Appiah (Nottingham Forest)
    17 – Mason Greenwood (Manchester United); Tyreece John-Jules (Arsenal); Arthur Okonkwo (Arsenal); Luca Ashby-Hammond (Fulham)
    16 – Troy Parrott (Tottenham Hotspur); Morgan Rodgers (West Brom)
    15 – Louie Barry (West Brom); Harvey Elliott (Fulham); Leojo Davidson (Manchester City)

    Looks like they were almost spot on, but I guess there are a couple of us that can tell you this when those players are at a similar stage in their development.

    And since this is locked behind a paywall, here is the full article of the Times article (from 2 years ago) about German clubs going after English talents

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    Someone in another forum said that 2003 group of players listed was comparable to the 2000 generation of Sancho, Gomes, and Foden, but I find that hard to believe.

    2000 - Sancho, Foden, Gomes, Hudson Odoi, Sessegnon, Gibbs White, Smith Rowe, McEachran, Brewster, Aarons, O'Riley, Skipp
    2001 - Greenwood, Jones, Garner, Laird, Ameachi, Balogun?
    2002 - Rodgers, Greenwood (Arsenal),
    2003 - Bellingham, Elliott, Barry, Musiala, Dembele
    2004 - Shoretire, Cannonier
    2005 -
    2006 -

    I'm not trying to list every potential talent, but ones that stand out. I remember Nya Kirby being impressive as a 14 year old for Spurs, and then Oakley Booth as a 15-16 year old for Spurs. Oakley Booth seems to have fallen in stature, and Kirby went to Palace shortly after. Loader used to be there for the 2000 group, but Brewster overtook him as the striker.
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    You’re missing a few in the 2002 group. Musah is probably the biggest talent and then there’s Madueke, Sarmiento, Carvalho, Knight, Doyle, Harwood-Bellis, Bondswell and Mighten.

    From the 03s there is Patino, Delap, Humphreys, Ohio and Balagizi. Lot of dual nationals in the 03 group. I’m guessing Musiala will go with Germany now he’s signed for Bayern as it’s the country of his birth and Ohio has been with Holland a lot too.

    They’re a really talented group but and some of the standouts might be as good as the 01s but I don’t think the same depth is there.

    I don’t know much about the 04s.
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    Isn't that a little too much? I like to use the 2000 group as the standard and then trying to fit in which talents wouldn't look out of place if they were born in that generation. So this means that most generations wouldn't have as many names as the 2000 group because they're not as talented.
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    I don’t think so no, obviously few will make it but there are so many really talented youth players around the same level there at the moment.

    We’re actually missing Saka from the 01s who is a stand out too.

    If you want to trim it down I’d say

    01 Greenwood, Saka, Laird, Garner
    02 Musah, Madueke, Carvalho, Doyle, Harwood-Bellis
    03 Bellingham, Barry, Dembele, Elliot, Patino

    Bias to attacking players is apparent.
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    Shoretire captained the u16s today in a 2-0 win over Denmark. Dane Scarlett with both goals.
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    Just realized it's the same Bellingham video you posted in your OP via twitter.


    The way he dribbles with the ball reminds me of Ravel's elegance.
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    It will be interesting to see the first call-ups of the new season given the number of dual nationals we have and the debacle at the u17 Euros getting some of the registered.
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    More coach changes would make everything really exciting.
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    Goals vs Ireland

    Shola misses the penalty for England.



    Boyne-Gittens with the pick of the bunch.
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    The interesting points there are Brewster and Greenwood being included. Brewster yet to appear for Liverpool and Greenwood only 17 and inexperienced. Cantwell called up.


    Gomes and Williams in with the u20s



    Doyle- Garner - Jones in midfield will be strong



    Carvalho was called up to Portugal too but looks like he's decided to stay with England. Good to see Musah in there too but I kind of expected him to continue with England. Mengi with a call up.



    Big news there is that it looks like Musiala has turned down Germany's call up, with him joining Bayern I thought he would switch to Germany from now on. Dembele injured but no Ohio looks ominous.
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    Thank you for posting that summary.

    Am I wrong in counting a total of 5 of our lads?

    Kinda concerning, no?
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    Yeah, more than we had a few years back mind. The standard is much higher all round now for England so we have some good English talents at United.
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    Some squads would even be stronger but few players are injured.....
    U21: R.Sessegnon, Kelly, Bogle & (Jay) Dasilva
    U20: Smith-Rowe
    U19: Laird
    U18: S.Greenwood & Sarmiento
    U17: Dembele

    U21
    What the feck no Longstaff, Tomori, Barnes, Choudhury, Diangana, Tuanzebe or Ronaldo Vieira :rolleyes:

    U20
    Great to see Latibaeudiere is back.

    Oxford and Ennis should be in too.

    U19
    A shame that Laird is injured because then the starting XI would be awesome :drool:

    But where is Appiah?

    U18
    Fantastic that Carvalho and Musah are still there :)

    No Oko-Flex :confused:

    U17
    Yep that is a great shock that Musiala has turned Germany for now :eek::D

    The squad is so feckin hot :drool:
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    No...who else should be in?

    And six if Laird would be fit.
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    I would have Anjorin over Jones, he's come leaps and bounds the past season and has started this season great as well (although Anjorin was always disadvantaged in the first place by his late birthday). Jones on the other hand seemed to stagnate somewhat last season.
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    It's a bit weird that Gomes isn't with the u21s, but Brewster is. I don't mind them being aggressive with certain talents, but would think Gomes should have been one of those. Gomes was brilliant last season, is really talented, did well in preseason, and started the season very well.

    The English talent seems on another level compared to previous generations. Maybe my memory is just wrong, but it's pretty stacked.
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    It is totally stacked. The 18s and 20s used to be really unimpressive but now they have loads of talent in them because there’s to much to accommodate in the competitive age groups.

    @Sean_RedDevil

    I don’t see Oko-Flex playing for England long term. The asence of Ronaldo Viera is curious too given he's a starting player at Sampdoria this season so far. The squad is very inexperienced and he has lots of it.
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    Thanks for all your efforts/opinions in this thread, all of you. Good to get an insight for England youth setup.
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    I'm curious to see how Xavier Simons does, simply because he shares a name with the much hyped Xavier Simons at Barcelona.
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    England u17's Jude Bellingham (16) just got his first senior goal in The Championship to put Birmingham 2-1 up.
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    Yeah you are probably right but he isn't in the Ireland squad therefore i thought.....
    He is better ;)
    Hopefully he will stay there.
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    I read on another England forum that Bellingham and his family have decided that his career would be better served if he developed at Birmingham and that he won't rush to join a big club. The goal was a big deflection but the lad only turned 16 in June!

    There was an interview with Oko-Flex where he said he might play for England because he thought he would earn more money. It kind of left me questioning his attitude a bit really.
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    I have heard that Leicester City are very interested.
    Hopefully they are still thinking so in January.
    Obviously a long way too go but Birmingham City are having this time really a world-class talent......Redmond and Gray were very good talents.

    Hmmmhhh
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    The U19's have won their first game of the new season (Friendly) 3-1 against Greece.
    Good result because most of the best players were on the bench (Probably rested for the tougher test against Germany on Monday) and team is without Garner, Laird, Balogun, Appiah, Duncan, Amaechi & Buchanan.

    Team
    Starting XI:
    Jeacock - Mumba, Alese, Harwood-Bellis, L.Thomas (from Leicester City) - J.Ramsey, Sibley, Doyle - Gordon, Edmondson, Adshead
    Substitutes: Dewhurst -> Jeacock 46, John-Jules -> Edmondson 62, Saka -> Adshead 62, Jones -> Gordon 62 & Mola -> Sibley 73
    Substitutes not used: Ashby-Hammond, Daley-Campbell, R.Williams, Binks, Maghoma, Anjorin, Jones, & Whittaker

    Goals
    0-1 Georgios
    1-1 Adshead 28
    2-1 Edmondson 55
    3-1 Doyle 75 (Penalty)

    The match was at St George's Park so
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    U20s in action against Netherlands
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    Is Gomes unlocking the Dutch U20 defence?
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    Ended 0-0, so probably not.
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    Apparently had a bad game. Basing this off one comment in the Bigsoccer forum
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    Good that our boys Gomes and Williams have started the match.
    The positions goalkeeper, defence and midfield looked quite good for a U20 team but the forward options (especially no real striker) were pretty bad......Loader and Clarke are starting hopefully in Switzerland.

    Team

    Starting XI:
    Bursik - Lamptey, Latibeaudiere, Tanganga, B.Williams - Gomes, Gallagher, Dozzell - Bolton, Leko, Giles
    Substitutes: Clarke for Giles 67 + Loader for Leko 67
    Substitutes not used: McGill, Griffiths, Ferguson, Gibson, Slattery, Shackelton, Tavernier & L.Thomas (from Barnsley)

    The other results from the Elite League
    Germany 4-2 Czech Republic
    Italy 2-0 Poland
    Portugal 2-2 Switzerland
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    I think its the worst squad out of all the groups in this break though. The result makes sense considering the strengths and weaknesses of the group.
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    Does anyone know how eligible players are allocated to each age group?

    For example you'd think the best players would be in the u21s, then the second best in the u20s etc etc, but it always seems like the u19s are stronger than the u20s.
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    No Lingard?
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    Out with an illness apparently.
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    Mason played about 30 minutes, wasn't very involved.
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    Decent win in the end. Horrible pitch and toxic Turkish atmosphere. Nketiah our best player. Greenwood got about 30 minutes and showed his quality in moments. Ended up with Brewster, Nketiah and Greenwood on at the end so 3 number 9s?! Not sure where Greenwood was supposed to playing really.