They might be but only one of those purchases was made after Abramovich bought Chelsea. Look you are going to have to admit if we want someone and either the chavs or bitters want him too then nine times out of ten the player is going to go for the money.
Shinji Kagawa | Signs for Manchester United
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That wasn't my point at all, I was saying that just because we are the only club in for a player doesn't mean that the player lacks quality as per the point I was addressing in the quote suggesting that because no one else seems to be seriously in for Kagawa then that means he lacks the requisite quality to make a difference.
And - how do we know noone was interested in Kagawa ? He may have turned down several big clubs by saying "I will only move to England"
I think Fergie will plan to use Kagawa in a variety of different positions. English teams are in a different situation to continental teams in that the style of play we face in the domestic league requires a very different approach to that which we will face in Europe. We need players who have the attributes to be able to play in different roles in different systems and Kagawa fits the bill.
In the 4-2-3-1 we usually play (2 midfielders, 2 wingers, 1 forward dropping deep off the frontman) Kagawa could play anywhere in that 3, much in the same way that Mata has for Chelsea since Di Matteo came in and changed to that formation. Squad rotation will assure everyone gets games and his ability to roam from a central position or to come inside off either flank makes him very useful as a starter and as an option off the bench.
In European games and big domestic games where we might want to be a bit cagier and use 4-3-3 I can see him being used as the most offensively-minded of the midfield 3 (or on the flanks of the front 3 if our designated wingers are out). In those games where we sit back I think a player like Kagawa who could receive the ball in our own half and burst forward quickly past a player or two at speed before picking a forward pass would be a huge boost to our counter-attacking play.
edit - oops, the discussion seems to have come round to whether other people were in for him, this bit is in reply to the people debating 'who he'd replace'
In the 4-2-3-1 we usually play (2 midfielders, 2 wingers, 1 forward dropping deep off the frontman) Kagawa could play anywhere in that 3, much in the same way that Mata has for Chelsea since Di Matteo came in and changed to that formation. Squad rotation will assure everyone gets games and his ability to roam from a central position or to come inside off either flank makes him very useful as a starter and as an option off the bench.
In European games and big domestic games where we might want to be a bit cagier and use 4-3-3 I can see him being used as the most offensively-minded of the midfield 3 (or on the flanks of the front 3 if our designated wingers are out). In those games where we sit back I think a player like Kagawa who could receive the ball in our own half and burst forward quickly past a player or two at speed before picking a forward pass would be a huge boost to our counter-attacking play.
edit - oops, the discussion seems to have come round to whether other people were in for him, this bit is in reply to the people debating 'who he'd replace'
We might not be the only big club interested but if we are then it doesn't mean he isn't a quality player which is what my original point was.
If other clubs are in and it looks like he is choosing us then maybe we aren't as unattractive an option in comparison to other clubs as we are being made out to be.
No, the discussion isn't leading there at all, carry on with useful discussion.
No I know that, I mean you cant blame some posters who are a bit gun shy when it comes to our transfer targets these days. Some of them have just heard about Santa for god sake.
Whats this about Santa??
He hasn't died has he?
We're signing Santa Cruz.
Does he need a work permit?
Not this again.
We're very attractive to Asians, United to many of them is like Madrid to the South Americans. He's no doubt made it clear he's coming here, pure and simple, no need/chance for other clubs to get involved.
Yeap. Its called Asian fever
Nothing wrong with being versatile and that's Fergie's kind of a player. We'll use him to full effect
Heard on twitter that kagawa's agent has told him not to speak on anything related to the United move
Nice. The difference between the Hazard and Kagawa deals are like night and day. I think this lad will be a brilliant signing for us, if we sign him, touch wood.
Just look at all the chances he created. Amazing!
Can't help but thinking people are hyping Kagawa to unrealistic levels - from what I've seen, he looks a good player and I think he'll be a good signing but from some of the comments on here you'd think we were getting Messi.
It's all snippets, but he really does seem to see a pass that nobody else does.
no you wouldn't.
I'd like you to point out these comments where people are reacting how they would if United were signing Messi.
don't be ridiculous, he's far better than Messi.
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Me too. Certainly people are excited at getting a creative central player cos we've looked short of one for awhile now. Haven't seen anyone talking about Shinji like his surnama is Kagawadona though.
No it's not, I'm not reacting as if we're signing Messi, I'm reacting as if we're signing a way better player than Messi, dummy.There's one for starters.
Quite the opposite, people are saying this is an astute signing. A player who clearly has quality and will only improve when he gets here. As far as signings to this reminds me a lot of the Valencia signing.
I think its more the excitement that we're signing a creative type midfielder which we've been aching for.
But I don't think anyone is hyping him up to 'Messi-like' levels. On the contrary I think this is as low pressure as signings come - I mean the fees quoted aren't astronomical, the whole process has been low-key (compared to the circus theatrics of the Hazard saga), and he's not looking to fill in a specific void left by a player. The only pressure I can imagine being applied to him is if he inherits the no.7 shirt, but again I think Fergie played a blinder by downplaying its significance by giving it to Owen.
Essentially we're getting a tidy, versatile and hardworking player who was integral to a major European side's back to back league wins, and someone who's seen as a superstar for his country. All for a relatively low transfer fee in today's crazy inflated market.
Ha ha, very good.
Yeah I get it - As I said, I think he'll be a good signing.
The Messi thing was an exaggerated joke - I do however think people are expecting more than we'll get.
I'm predicting a good start, a lull around mid season and a strong finish and for him to be fantastic and an integral part of the side in 13/14.
watched the whole Oman v Japan game and they look for him to create things all the time and the majority of the time he did deliver, He looked very comfortable on the ball and can certainly pick a player out ,what I did like though was the way he changed the way he played during the game ,one minute he goes on a run, the next a simple pass its very hard to actually see what he was going to do next, In a word unpredictable and thats why i think he will fit in very nicely at United and Premier league football is made for him in my opinion, I have watched the games he has played since I found out United were interested and he has impressed me in every one and i am very sceptical when i watch players, Against Oman he was good but then you have to look at the opposition ,but against Bayern he was very good he was the reason they tore bayern apart at times,no mean feat against the best defence in the bundesliga they scored 5 against a team that had only conceded 22
He'll fit in well with the rest of the team then.
Redkoas, think Izzydiggler is on about people on here getting spastically excited, not the media. We all know the papers generally go silly based on a players price tag, ie. Hazard, Sanchez, Benzema and all those other hyped up players we've been in for in the past.
I agree with him, people are getting carried away, as am I but some of it is to be expected. Remember when we signed Nani and Anderson, how excited people were and most didn't know much about them at all despite watching the CL and Uefa. Now the news about Kagawa is increasing people are started to look at his games and youtube clips but if we don't sign him people will not bother with him.
Still, carried away or not he plays for the German champs so has to be better than some of what we have.
I agree with him, people are getting carried away, as am I but some of it is to be expected. Remember when we signed Nani and Anderson, how excited people were and most didn't know much about them at all despite watching the CL and Uefa. Now the news about Kagawa is increasing people are started to look at his games and youtube clips but if we don't sign him people will not bother with him.
Still, carried away or not he plays for the German champs so has to be better than some of what we have.
And that's what redkaos was responding to. Izzydiggler said some of us are reacting as though we're signing Messi, and well, no we're not, no one is. It was just plain silly.
He's a top player from the 2 time German league winners, I'm excited, "spastically" no, but excited.
I think he's looks pretty tidy. Kinda like a David Silva, only with more end product. Not saying he's better but he plays similar football (from what ive seen onYouTube).
I remember having high hopes for Obertan and Anderson though
I remember having high hopes for Obertan and Anderson though
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He sort of glides with the ball like Silva. Can look very classy. Silva is definitely better at keeping the ball but like you say, Kagawa has very good end product and of course he's younger by about 3 years so he's likely to develop more over time.I think he's looks pretty tidy. Kinda like a David Silva, only with more end product. Not saying he's better but he plays similar football (from what ive seen onYouTube).
I remember having high hopes for Obertan and Anderson though
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