Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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I haven't got a clue what Ribery's on. But for me, as a player, I'd take Nani everyday.
However, if Rooney's on £190K a week odd or whatever it is, I dont think its out of order for Nani to ask in the region of £120K, as has been reported.
Nani has as much chance of leaving as I have of supporting Liverpool, la.
He's miles ahead of almost everyone in our team technically, with Scholes being up there and Kagawa now that he's joined as well. He's just such a brilliant player to watch, and I've said it before but his dribbling in tight spaces is one of the best I've ever seen, certainly up there with how good the likes of Ronaldinho and Iniesta were at getting themselves out of tight spots. Hopefully SAF puts more faith in him this season and makes him an automatic choice when fit, because that really is what he should be. Him on the left, Kagawa through the middle and Valencia on the right is a fantastic trio.
Nani is talented, we all know that. So why does he blow hot and cold? I would like to see a lot more consistency from him.
while i actually prefer to see nani playing on the right wing, with valencia around i guess the best option for us now is valencia on the right and nani on the left. i agree with bosnian-red above that when nani is fit, he should be starting, especially ahead of young.
The only issue with that is Valencia on the right - obviously Tony V's main strength is getting down the wing and whipping in crosses. If you play the 3 of them behind Rooney, there's not a lot of presence around the penalty spot to actually put the ball in the net.
I don't like him as much, but bringing in Young on the left, Kagawa in the middle and Nani on the right might work better with just the one up front.
I think Young's had too many games now whereby his faults and limitations have been all too apparent. He's had some good performances no doubt, but to start him ahead of Nani now in a game of any importance whatsoever would surely be madness. Nani must start whenever fit. He's the sort of player you could argue that we should be building the team around.
SAF should wring his neck on that penalty kick or lack thereof. That was brutal to watch.
It is time we make Nani our main guy tbh, he has had so many good performances in the last years but he has been dropped for Valencia and Young on occasion, I hope for this too stop but I don't think it will. I think we will carry on using Nani the same way we have done and I think Young will definitely get his fair share of starts for us next season. I predict Nani to have a great season and I reckon he will score quite a few and also assist some vital goals.
It's time to give him a proper contract! At the moment Nani is our most talented offensive player and based on yesterday's performance he was our biggest threat.
And btw it's time for Rooney to step up and starts to deliver, otherwise our refusal to give Nani his improved contract looks short sided. I can easily see our best front three involve RVP ( if he's coming) and Nani, either together with 7 or Young.
I think it's time to try him on the left again, seeing as he cuts in so much it doesn't make sense that he seems to prefer playing on the right. Having him cut in from the left onto his right foot would make more sense.
Given the comparative form of Young and Valencia I can see him being used there quite often, Valencia doesn't deserve to be dropped, whereas Young does.
Given the comparative form of Young and Valencia I can see him being used there quite often, Valencia doesn't deserve to be dropped, whereas Young does.
Yes! I know his fitness is not the best but until he steps up and plays better he's not undroppable. Rooney needs a challenge and Kagawa and RVP (if we buy him) can give him that.
No Lucas means Nani will be mightly relief.
Our wingers are still: Valencia, Nani and Young. In that order. Young might well be a "backup" to Kagawa as well. So, Valencia as right winger and Nani as left winger.
Our wingers are still: Valencia, Nani and Young. In that order. Young might well be a "backup" to Kagawa as well. So, Valencia as right winger and Nani as left winger.
Lucas plays on the right. If anything, it was Valencia he'd be competing with. That said, neither Valencia nor Nani would feel too threatened by a 19yr old from Brazil.
I don't care what it costs.
We must keep Nani.
We must keep Nani.
Immense
He and Val are the only players that can beat players.
Which is a shame. We really cannot afford to lose him.
Would love to know whether Fergie plans to use Val as a RB more often. He looked great there yesterday. Him and Nani on the same side is
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If he does then another winger would suddenly make much more sense, as I just don't see Young as first team material.
Which is a shame. We really cannot afford to lose him.
Would love to know whether Fergie plans to use Val as a RB more often. He looked great there yesterday. Him and Nani on the same side is
.If he does then another winger would suddenly make much more sense, as I just don't see Young as first team material.
Keep Nani, sell Young!!
Fergie obviously does. What with buying him and picking him. You may have written Young off after his debut season but I'd imagine Fergie will be more patient.He and Val are the only players that can beat players.
Which is a shame. We really cannot afford to lose him.
Would love to know whether Fergie plans to use Val as a RB more often. He looked great there yesterday. Him and Nani on the same side is
If he does then another winger would suddenly make much more sense, as I just don't see Young as first team material.
Do you?
And I'm not exactly writing him off, he is a good squad player, but I don't think he has the class to be first choice on the left wing.
May be a reason why we have tried to buy the likes of Hazard and Lucas. So Fergie probably doesnt fully trust him neither.
I'd be delighted if he proves me wrong though.
And I'm not exactly writing him off, he is a good squad player, but I don't think he has the class to be first choice on the left wing.
May be a reason why we have tried to buy the likes of Hazard and Lucas. So Fergie probably doesnt fully trust him neither.
I'd be delighted if he proves me wrong though.
You're such an idiot.
He was class yesterday, a level above any other player we have technically (bar Scholes)
I don't think Plan M was especially referring to yesterday's game where he was indeed very good. The fact that he mentions consistency points to an overall appreciation of the player; I agree, I really like Nani and in terms of raw talent he's probably the best player in the squad at the moment, but the fact he hasn't yet achieved that "untouchable" status CR had in his last seasons for us is not a coincidence. He has flashes of brilliance (more often than not, luckily), but he can also be an incredibly frustrating player by being too selfish or by being unable to make the right decision. He's going to be 26 now, has bags of experience at top level and next season could be decisive for him.
I know he wasn't. He's still an idiot. It's a myth at this stage, and anyone else who shares that opinion is an idiot too.
In what way decisive?
Thought he had a very good Euros too, was Portugal's best player overall. He beats players for fun sometimes and his close control is by far the best in our team and one of the best around. I am sure he isn't going anywhere either. (hopefully)
Well his stats (goals and assists) are good, but I really feel that he has the potential to do even better. I believe he has the potential to be as good as CR.
So "decisive" in the sense that he is consistently good for us, and not have incredibly frustrating games like he does. If you believe that, at the moment, he is consistently good, then I think your love for the player is maybe blinding you somewhat.
It's not something that's quantifiable I suppose, I'm not saying "unless he has 20 goals and as many assists by the end of the season he's a failure", it's an overall appreciation. If he has a season where he consistently produces performances like last night, then I'd be more than satisfied, and I think that it would reflect very strongly on the team's overall performances. At the moment, I don't really think he's quite there.
He's already much better than most of our squad. All I'm saying is that he can probably be even better.
EDIT: agree with the point about the Euros, also thought he did very well with Portugal.
So "decisive" in the sense that he is consistently good for us, and not have incredibly frustrating games like he does. If you believe that, at the moment, he is consistently good, then I think your love for the player is maybe blinding you somewhat.
It's not something that's quantifiable I suppose, I'm not saying "unless he has 20 goals and as many assists by the end of the season he's a failure", it's an overall appreciation. If he has a season where he consistently produces performances like last night, then I'd be more than satisfied, and I think that it would reflect very strongly on the team's overall performances. At the moment, I don't really think he's quite there.
He's already much better than most of our squad. All I'm saying is that he can probably be even better.
EDIT: agree with the point about the Euros, also thought he did very well with Portugal.
You realize he practically HAD that in 10/11, and he would've had it if it wasn't for the injury.
There's nothing inconsistent about him, and yes, he can become even more consistent, but that doesn't mean he isn't already a consistently top player.
I can see a fecking massive season from Nani..... if we don't sign Van Persie.
Van Persie will mean more of a 4411 with Nani in a more traditional wing role which requires more work going backwards. Even though Nani doesn't shirk his defensive responsibilities he's not as reliable going backwards as Valencia and Young which is why I think he was overlooked a lot last season.
If we miss out on RVP (fingers crossed) then I think we'll adopt more of a 433. That's when Nani can be Nani IMO.
Van Persie will mean more of a 4411 with Nani in a more traditional wing role which requires more work going backwards. Even though Nani doesn't shirk his defensive responsibilities he's not as reliable going backwards as Valencia and Young which is why I think he was overlooked a lot last season.
If we miss out on RVP (fingers crossed) then I think we'll adopt more of a 433. That's when Nani can be Nani IMO.
I agree actually. I think if he go 4-3-3 with Kagawa behind Rooney and Nani and Valencia either side we can be a match for any team in Europe. I've always thought Nani was at his absolute best in that system, we saw that for Portugal this Summer (albeit with a lack of goals).
I agree with your main point but that isn't true. I think he's delivery can be wildly inconsistant and he can be an incredibly frustrating player when he has one of those runs where he seems to always pick the wrong option. I think it's the frustrating things he does which points people towards the "inconsistant" tag.
That said, you always feel that even if he's not having a great game he can win the game for you with a goal/assist. Which is a special quality in a player. In fact, there's only Rooney and Nani in our squad I would say that about.
EDIT: It's probably because he's not afraid. When he's having a poor game he still always shows for the ball and still tries to beat his man etc. Unlike other players (Young being a good example) whereby when they have poor games they shy away and keep it simple.
He's only seen as inconsistent because he tries things no other player will do. It's sort of the opposite to Valencia, who will always look to just find a yard of space and ping a good cross in. Nani on the other hand will look for a perfect cross, or take a shot, or try beat 2 or 3 defenders at once, and that's never going to come off as often.
Put it this way, if we took that 'frustrating' aspect in his game, i.e. not taking shots, not trying to beat players, would he still be the player he is?
His overall goals/assists stats are brilliant for the last 2 seasons. Going by your reasoning, Ronaldo would be an inconsistent player too, wouldn't he?
Whether or not we sign Van Persie, Fergie will still play two strikers in a lot of games. Welbeck was excellent last season, had a strong Euros and has been one of our best players in pre-season. He's only going to get better. He'll be playing a lot of football for us next season.
If Kagawa wasn't bought I would've though the same thing, but with him here I don't see Welbeck playing as many games. I assume he's rotate between the 3 more with Hernandez being a bit of a 'super sub'.
Like I said, I don't disagree with you. Just trying to explain where this inconsistant tag comes from.
If that's the case then I agree, I thought you were calling him inconsistent. I'll slap anyone here on the face with a trout who still has that stupid opinion.
I know he will. But last season he seemed to start almost every game. He won't have that kind of role for us this season.
I agree with that, overall. Maybe I'm a bit too harsh, but impossible to deny that he does have an incredibly frustrating side to him.
But not even going to compare him to Young, they're not in the same class.
He could still have that aspect to him and just be better at shots and crosses. There are games where he can, for 90 minutes, just miss anything complicated he tries. If it comes off, it's spectacular, if he misses, then it's frustrating because there might have been a more evident option to choose.
Surely his goals/assists stats are nowhere near as good as those Ronaldo had during his last two seasons with us, are they?
I should have also said in my first post I think he's getting better and better and I expect him to have a very solid season. I think he's matured quite a bit over the last few months, and I think he's now able to do what he can do over a whole season (which I don't think he's quite done yet, although I understand we disagree on this point, and your point concerning his injury in the 10/11 season is a good one that I don't deny).
Ronaldo is an extreme but relevant example, he is probably the most frustrating footballer on the planet to watch, but because he scores so many goals people ignore it and consider him extremely consistent. Nani obviously isn't at that level of output, but his is still very, very good, higher than most wingers in European football, yet people still call him inconsistent because he can be frustrating to watch in games.
If Nani wasn't as frustrating to watch, then it means he isn't doing what he does best. That may sound weird, but it's true. If he was told to always do the simple thing then we would be massively limiting him. You have to just accept these things with him, they'll never go away.
If Nani wasn't as frustrating to watch, then it means he isn't doing what he does best. That may sound weird, but it's true. If he was told to always do the simple thing then we would be massively limiting him. You have to just accept these things with him, they'll never go away.
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