Rossa
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Jeeeez, he's a sprinter! I certainly would be interesting to see him flat out against Walcott - I think he beats Bale for pace! And his strength combined with his pace is terrifying!
Jeeeez, he's a sprinter! I certainly would be interesting to see him flat out against Walcott - I think he beats Bale for pace! And his strength combined with his pace is terrifying!
Fair play to Glenda Johnson there, gets proper taken out on the half way and still nearly manages to get back in.
Well, Valencia is clearly slowing down quite a bit, just affording Johnson to get back in time to make the penalty - great job reallyFair play to Glenda Johnson there, gets proper taken out on the half way and still nearly manages to get back in.
Valencia's pace in that first burst is
He can be none-dimensional for all I care, as long as he continues to be the best winger in the league by some margin.I wish he'd be more adventurous
He's the most one dimensional player I've seen at United.
That's really just a very nice way of saying "Valencia fannied about a bit, which allowed Johnson to get back in and do something stupid, letting Tony off the hook!"Well, Valencia is clearly slowing down quite a bit, just affording Johnson to get back in time to make the penalty - great job really
Valencia has a great engine and terrific speed - and I too wish he used it more - sometimes kick and run has a fantastic effect.
A part of me says that if he was more comfortable changing it up a bit (coming in onto his left etc.) it'd hugely benefit his game, especially as he gets older and loses a bit of pace. But on the other hand he's ridiculously effective for us as and out-and-out winger so if it ain't broke...I wish he'd be more adventurous
He's the most one dimensional player I've seen at United.
Needs to become the best winger in the team first - Nani's comfortably better.He can be none-dimensional for all I care, as long as he continues to be the best winger in the league by some margin.
The only problem is I'm not sure if we're really suited to playing with out and out wingers anymore. It's just become so predictable. Even when we're controlling games it's: pass ball to scholes, who pings it to Valencia, who drills it across the box. ..A part of me says that if he was more comfortable changing it up a bit (coming in onto his left etc.) it'd hugely benefit his game, especially as he gets older and loses a bit of pace. But on the other hand he's ridiculously effective for us as and out-and-out winger so if it ain't broke...
Also I think his style is pretty important to how we play, having him wide-out on the touchline stretches the play, as well as allowing Rafael to get into the kind of positions from which he scored against Liverpool.
Yeah I get your point, but then there's an element of balance there because Young/Nani cut inside quite regularly on the other side. The obvious risk of encouraging Valencia to play a narrower game is that it'd be a waste of his talents, but it'd also mean the centre would be more congested (i.e - less space for the likes of Kagawa to shine).The only problem is I'm not sure if we're really suited to playing with out and out wingers anymore. It's just become so predictable. Even when we're controlling games it's: pass ball to scholes, who pings it to Valencia, who drills it across the box. ..
I do like being nice thoughThat's really just a very nice way of saying "Valencia fannied about a bit, which allowed Johnson to get back in and do something stupid, letting Tony off the hook!"
Because these injuries didn't happen to us last year as well. .He, he, the new curse of Van Persie, he doesn't get crocked but everybody else does.
Based on what exactly? Let's look at some facts...Needs to become the best winger in the team first - Nani's comfortably better.
The only problem is I'm not sure if we're really suited to playing with out and out wingers anymore. It's just become so predictable. Even when we're controlling games it's: pass ball to scholes, who pings it to Valencia, who drills it across the box. ..
Err, theories are usually supported or disproved by empirics. It's common practice. I've clearly stated what they prove, that Valencia is more efficient at doing what a winger is supposed to do. They also suggest Valencia is a better team player.I think your location proves a point.
What the feck are that stats even proving? Pointless. Football is 100% stats.
Well you go on about tackles and interceptions, and how Valencia makes much more etc, which would be expected. It's quite clear that Valencia is more defensive and he's also had several games at right-back too.Err, theories are usually supported or disproved by empirics. It's common practice.
You've strayed off topic here, the discussion was confined to as which is the better winger. Judging by your perception of Nani, he's rather an inside forward. Also, having more shots isn't necessarily good, Nani is prone to make poor decisions. His lack of judgement is pretty poor for somebody who is supposedly a better winger than Valencia who is, I quote Sir Alex: "Way underrated by many".Well you go on about tackles and interceptions, and how Valencia makes much more etc, which would be expected. It's quite clear that Valencia is more defensive and he's also had several games at right-back too. Then you say that Valencia has a better rate of getting shots on target, despite the fact than Nani takes more and is often on the left meaning more often than not he cuts in onto his stronger foot, opening up a shooting opportunity. I'd expect someone who prefers to cross than shoot to have a better rate of shots on target, especially when Valencia only really shoots clear on goal. Pointless stats.
He, he, the new curse of Van Persie, he doesn't get crocked but everybody else does.
I'm not denying Valencia is class, but I just think the stats you posted were pretty biased. Nani is probably more an inside forward, but in 2010/11 when Valencia broke his leg and Nani found himself first choice on the right he recorded the highest assists in the league, the most in recent seasons too, and got 9 goals as well. In terms of productivity that's better than any of Valencia's seasons here. Does that mean he is a better winger?You've strayed off topic here, the discussion was confined to as which is the better winger. Judging by your perception of Nani, he's rather an inside forward. Also, having more shots isn't necessarily good, Nani is prone to make poor decisions. His lack of judgement is pretty poor for somebody who is supposedly a better winger than Valencia who is, I quote Sir Alex: "Way underrated by many".
Whatever you do with the ball is up to the player, Valencia's approach of getting past opposing players with passes and usage of team mates has evidently yielded better results for the team as a whole. Being a player that likes to dribble does not excuse the amount of times you lose possession, sticking to what earns the better returns is better for the team. Stats are open for subjective interpretation though, I give you that. I feel a sudden urge to jump to Valencia's defense when posters come out with statements like that, claiming Nani is comfortably better than Valencia on the wing.The losing possesion stat is also a bit meaningless, as Nani dribbles a lot more and tries to beat more men than Valencia, who rather keeps it simple. Expected that he loses the ball less.
I can almost guarentee you Messi (not comparing with Nani, just an example) loses the ball more than Valencia. It's because he tries more difficult and creative things. Nani does too. It doesn't mean that they don't yield as good results. Attempting these things might lead to a crucial goal, or open up a chance.Whatever you do with the ball is up to the player, Valencia's approach of getting past opposing players by passes and use of team mates has evidently yielded better results for the team as a whole. Being a player that likes to dribble does not excuse the amount of times you lose possession, sticking to what earns the better returns is better for the team.
With Nani, that is not the case unfortunately, which is why many of us are frustrated with him. Additionally, that would be reflected in stats concerning chance creation, successful crosses and key passes, which it isn't. It's a tale of two stories really, Nani is overrated and Valencia is underrated. That said, both are quality players but I'd pick Valencia any day of the week, there's no doubt about that.I can almost guarentee you Messi (not comparing with Nani, just an example) loses the ball more than Valencia. It's because he tries more difficult and creative things. Nani does too. It doesn't mean that they don't yield as good results. Attempting these things might lead to a crucial goal, or open up a chance.
Knee injury, back in a month.To be fair, Nani on the right is a very different beast from Nani on the left.
Could be good timing, in that sense.
Where's Young at?