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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Stobzilla
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.....
Did the FFP regulators said they would investigate every major sponsorship so no sugar daddy's could use this tactic?
Anyway, as was suspected since the beginning, FFP will mean feck all unfortunately. City, Chelsea, PSG will find various ways to pass this.
Anyway, as was suspected since the beginning, FFP will mean feck all unfortunately. City, Chelsea, PSG will find various ways to pass this.
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Well, UEFA said they'd stop things like this from being allowed, so we'll have to see if they've actually got the bite to back up their bark.
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There will be no doubt a deafening silence on this issue from UEFA and FIFA.
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Are PSG richer than city?
UEFA won't enforce FFP, they were never going to either, it's a PR stunt to say they want FFP when in reality they will let teams cheat their way out of it or just make up an exemption rule for them.
if you honestly thought that UEFA would enforce FFP and kick teams out of European competitions for breaching it then you are as dumb as a kid being held back a year for the tenth year in a row.
if you honestly thought that UEFA would enforce FFP and kick teams out of European competitions for breaching it then you are as dumb as a kid being held back a year for the tenth year in a row.
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Well most suspected that the likes of City and PSG would get round FFP like this, would expect Chelsea to do something similar. Highly doubt UEFA will actually investigate these deals.
Wumminator
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FFP hasn't just died.
This is one move that will be looked into. Chelsea are reporting profits now, so they won't need something like this.
This is one move that will be looked into. Chelsea are reporting profits now, so they won't need something like this.
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mon dieu were is Platini? Why has he gone silent? Could it be the case that the fact that his son is working with PSG had made him rethink things?
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FFP is not about the sugar daddy clubs despite what the media may say and even despite what FIFA may say. There are small clubs on the brink of bankruptcy in Spain, England, Italy and others that need these regulations to seek a more sustainable business strategy, it's about them first and foremost. FIFA just saw a chance to start a PR campaign about how they're going to tackle a big issue when really they knew the billionaires would do as they please.Did the FFP regulators said they would investigate every major sponsorship so no sugar daddy's could use this tactic?
Anyway, as was suspected since the beginning, FFP will mean feck all unfortunately. City, Chelsea, PSG will find various ways to pass this.
it was a PR stunt anyway, come on, you can't tell me you honestly thought FFP was for real? surely you aren't that stupid?mon dieu were is Platini? Why has he gone silent? Could it be the case that the fact that his son is working with PSG had made him rethink things?
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But aren't these sugar daddy backed clubs distorting the market faster than it would otherwise move? If a handful of them start offering more money to buy players and then pay them it leads to other clubs having to match them as best they can to remain competitive, and then the same for the clubs below them etc.
Jimy_Hills_Chin
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We will have to see what UEFA say when the first FFP compliance reports come out.
feck all.We will have to see what UEFA say when the first FFP compliance reports come out.
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Platini will just tell his son (who is a representative of the owners) to keep up the good work.
Jimy_Hills_Chin
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It hasn't come out yet! They were pretty harsh on the clubs who failed to pay their transfer fees on time.feck all.
There is no need to get your panties in a bunch just yet, there were always going to be clubs who would try to manipulate the rules, lets wait to see if they actually do something when they publish the compliance reports.
lol, yeah, let's wait and see, I am sure it will not have any dodgy stuff at all and not be at all obvious that the whole thing was just a PR stunt.It hasn't come out yet! They were pretty harsh on the clubs who failed to pay their transfer fees on time.
There is no need to get your panties in a bunch just yet, there were always going to be clubs who would try to manipulate the rules, lets wait to see if they actually do something when they publish the compliance reports.
Jimy_Hills_Chin
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Like I said, I see little point in getting upset about something that hasn't happened yet.lol, yeah, let's wait and see, I am sure it will not have any dodgy stuff at all and not be at all obvious that the whole thing was just a PR stunt.
okay, when UEFA do feck all I will bump this to remind you about that though.Like I said, I see little point in getting upset about something that hasn't happened yet.
The Neviller
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Or to act like an arrogant, know-it-all tool about it either.Like I said, I see little point in getting upset about something that hasn't happened yet.
It will be looked into but I doubt anything will be done about it.FFP hasn't just died.
This is one move that will be looked into. Chelsea are reporting profits now, so they won't need something like this.
Sky1981
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1st UEFA or FA owes it to nobody to regulate the sugar daddies, they could have just not saying anything, but they come out with the FFP, so it's a good gesture
2nd. Like in many business, there's always gonna be loopholes in the accounting department for dodgy dealings
3rd. FFP aren't bulletproof, they can't and won't gonna close all the holes for sugar daddies to invest their own money into the team, as there's still legal ways if you really want to to get the money into the team (1001 ways, you can buy your own ticket , all you need is a worker with corporate credit card x 10 with each buying 10 premium priced tickets, you can pre-order your own kit, etc)
But the good thing is that with the FFP, at least they can't simply do it too easily, there is a cost to bystep the FFP, all those dodgy hand changing assets and stuff are costly to run, so all and all, FFP is better than nothing at all.
Give it a chance, it's still early, people are always rejecting changes.
2nd. Like in many business, there's always gonna be loopholes in the accounting department for dodgy dealings
3rd. FFP aren't bulletproof, they can't and won't gonna close all the holes for sugar daddies to invest their own money into the team, as there's still legal ways if you really want to to get the money into the team (1001 ways, you can buy your own ticket , all you need is a worker with corporate credit card x 10 with each buying 10 premium priced tickets, you can pre-order your own kit, etc)
But the good thing is that with the FFP, at least they can't simply do it too easily, there is a cost to bystep the FFP, all those dodgy hand changing assets and stuff are costly to run, so all and all, FFP is better than nothing at all.
Give it a chance, it's still early, people are always rejecting changes.
Will Absolute
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How often have we heard these same groundless arguments in the last few years?
JHC is right. Of course clubs are going to try to evade FFP. What else can they do?
A killer caught in the act on video, apprehended 100 yards from the scene, covered in the victims blood, with the murder weapon in his back pocket, is still going to mount a defence in court. What has he got to lose? It doesn't mean the jury will accept it.
UEFA introduced FFP voluntarily, and have repeatedly stated their intention to enforce it strictly. It includes fair value provisions designed to counter what PSG are doing. Let's wait until it's put to the test.
JHC is right. Of course clubs are going to try to evade FFP. What else can they do?
A killer caught in the act on video, apprehended 100 yards from the scene, covered in the victims blood, with the murder weapon in his back pocket, is still going to mount a defence in court. What has he got to lose? It doesn't mean the jury will accept it.
UEFA introduced FFP voluntarily, and have repeatedly stated their intention to enforce it strictly. It includes fair value provisions designed to counter what PSG are doing. Let's wait until it's put to the test.
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If it's designed to help clubs who spent beyond their means and are in financial trouble then the only way to do so is to stop these sugar daddy clubs from doing what they're doing. The reason they're spending so much is in order to compete. If they didn't care about competing then they'd simply cut their costs accordingly. FFP rules aren't going to help them in any way.FFP is not about the sugar daddy clubs despite what the media may say and even despite what FIFA may say. There are small clubs on the brink of bankruptcy in Spain, England, Italy and others that need these regulations to seek a more sustainable business strategy, it's about them first and foremost. FIFA just saw a chance to start a PR campaign about how they're going to tackle a big issue when really they knew the billionaires would do as they please.
This!FFP is not about the sugar daddy clubs despite what the media may say and even despite what FIFA may say. There are small clubs on the brink of bankruptcy in Spain, England, Italy and others that need these regulations to seek a more sustainable business strategy, it's about them first and foremost. FIFA just saw a chance to start a PR campaign about how they're going to tackle a big issue when really they knew the billionaires would do as they please.
I really don't get why all fans go mental about these rules. No one around who thinks that these rules would have prevented the Glasgow Rangers from going bankrupt? So what, of course investors will find some loopholes, it's still way more difficult than before for them to push a small club to the top.
Plechazunga
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Dunno but the UAE has a much higher GDP than Qatar.Are PSG richer than city?
Wasn't that couple of millions profit, before they even splashed tens of millions on transfers? Next balance will show differents, but more familiar, figures.FFP hasn't just died.
This is one move that will be looked into. Chelsea are reporting profits now, so they won't need something like this.
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I think some people are missing a very important factor here - other clubs. 90% of clubs want FFP. Most of the large clubs like United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barca, Milan and Bayern Munich all support this through the Europan Clubs Assoc. UEFA will be under immense pressure from these other clubs to hit the worst offenders (City and PSG) hard.
Thanks for that. Anyway, as I said, Big Ones will always find a way to don't give a shit.FFP is not about the sugar daddy clubs despite what the media may say and even despite what FIFA may say. There are small clubs on the brink of bankruptcy in Spain, England, Italy and others that need these regulations to seek a more sustainable business strategy, it's about them first and foremost. FIFA just saw a chance to start a PR campaign about how they're going to tackle a big issue when really they knew the billionaires would do as they please.
Sky1981
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I do believe the society as a whole benefits from sugar daddies, as fresh capital are brought into the monetary system of football.I think some people are missing a very important factor here - other clubs. 90% of clubs want FFP. Most of the large clubs like United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barca, Milan and Bayern Munich all support this through the Europan Clubs Assoc. UEFA will be under immense pressure from these other clubs to hit the worst offenders (City and PSG) hard.
Let's take for example Andy Caroll (although not bought by sugar daddy owned club) . The inflated overpriced Caroll practically funded half of Newcastle squad, making them able to leap frog what supposedly a 5 years progress (if there's no big payout for them, and relying on gate receipt and normal income alone)
The money brought in by Roman and the Sheikh will trickle down to smaller clubs. The easiest example is that by having a sugar daddy funded Chelsea and city, the overall prestige of the EPL will raise, resulting in bigger TV deals which will be divided among EPL clubs.
Not to mention CL will be more exciting with more teams capable of beating one another. Now we have Chelsea, City (although they're out) and PSG as exciting new prospect which are capable of winning the CL. We have the likes of Zenit in Europa League, and Anzhi as well.
The championship will also felt the influx, although not as direct. Smaller clubs getting more from the TV deal will shop more from below them, in a hypothetical market condition.
The point is, massive amount of capital are being brought to the EPL, which is good.
Although it is bad if you're Manchester United.
And let's face it, we're living in the world of free trade and steps are taken to diminishes discrimination in tarrifs all over the world, hence there's no clear cut ways short of discrimination to stop people from wanting to improve their investment.
EDIT : the effect will be good for other nations as well. City buying aguero for close to 50M will means that 50M are going into the spanish flow of money, and it'll also allow Atletico to spend more, going in circle.
So it's not actually bad, how many of us enjoying the City vs United (from a quality game perspective) compared as to the city of the yesteryear?
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Why would any organisation bring in rules and then not apply them?
This is Platini's baby, and if he doesn't ensure that it is implemented properly, he just makes himself look to be an idiot, and loses his job.
This is Platini's baby, and if he doesn't ensure that it is implemented properly, he just makes himself look to be an idiot, and loses his job.
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How would it have prevented Rangers from going bankrupt? Or anybody else for that matter?This!
I really don't get why all fans go mental about these rules. No one around who thinks that these rules would have prevented the Glasgow Rangers from going bankrupt? So what, of course investors will find some loopholes, it's still way more difficult than before for them to push a small club to the top.
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Abu Dhabi (City) are comfortably richer that Qatar (PSG) in terms of absolute money. However this is kinda irrelevant in football terms. They can comfortably match each others spending, which no one else not backed by oil money can match.Are PSG richer than city?
Not exactly true. Qatar's GDP is 182 billion, while UAE's GDP is 258 billion. In 2008 Abu Dhabi generated 56% of UAE's entire GDP. If this was the same in last year that would mean that Abu Dhabi's GDP is 144 billion which is about 20% lower than Qatar's GDP.Abu Dhabi (City) are comfortably richer that Qatar (PSG) in terms of absolute money. However this is kinda irrelevant in football terms. They can comfortably match each others spending, which no one else not backed by oil money can match.
Not relevant though when it comes to transfers.
Wumminator
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Nope. That includes their summer transfers.Wasn't that couple of millions profit, before they even splashed tens of millions on transfers? Next balance will show differents, but more familiar, figures.
Jimy_Hills_Chin
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Are you sure? I think that the accounting period ended in June.Nope. That includes their summer transfers.
Wumminator
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I'm sure it included most of them.Are you sure? I think that the accounting period ended in June.
Due to player amortisation working how it does and their constant reduction in the wage bill, I think they'll be alright.